Post ATE4Jevh39WS5vVB7g by grammargirl@zirk.us
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(DIR) Post #ATD6NBotE6xDilAeZ6 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-02T16:16:16Z
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Since chatGPT was trained on internet text, does it regularly make what usage people call "common errors"?For example, has anyone noticed it using "between you and I" instead of "between you and me"?#chatGPT #linguistics @edibuddies
(DIR) Post #ATD75rXdT32PrOOzFA by paulkater@mstdn.social
2023-03-02T16:24:21Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies I'll happily write "you and I" because that's how it's written in Dutch (my native language). "You and me" looks wrong to me.(I'm probably in the 1% who haven't engaged with that oversized auto-correct system yet.)
(DIR) Post #ATD7L44r8rKb5DBoo4 by caycepollard@appdot.net
2023-03-02T16:27:04Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies “All of the sudden”, “I could care less”, “Citation needed.”
(DIR) Post #ATD8D0Q4xPFnNOpz9M by budgibson@me.dm
2023-03-02T16:36:48Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies I think that rule is starting to be up for grabs. Remember that chatGPT is stochastic so it might not uniformly produce any one particular pattern. And, pattern production is likely to be context dependent.
(DIR) Post #ATDAhfoPpDKwLgyJs0 by pmb@universeodon.com
2023-03-02T17:04:48Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies I strongly believe in taking a descriptivist point of view in most contexts. This is one construction that still grates on me though. The only other one that grates more is "I feel badly". I want to scream "Is your feeler broken? Do you feel bad because your feeler is broken?" 🤣
(DIR) Post #ATDBT17MQfPu2NPONc by misterich@mastodon.social
2023-03-02T17:13:17Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies how about mixing up "you/r/'re" …?
(DIR) Post #ATDCv8LNFxK8VjvyOO by DocBohn@techhub.social
2023-03-02T17:29:37Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies "could of"
(DIR) Post #ATDIQRAjnnJNechmCG by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-02T18:31:18Z
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FWIW, I'm not asking about chatGPT making common errors because I want to "catch" them or complain about them.I'm asking because I think it's truly interesting and could end up changing what is perceived as an error. "If the authoritative-sounding AI writes it this way, it must be right."It came to mind because a guy told me he is using #chatGPT to "improve his grammar skills." (I'm not sure what he's specifically doing.) #linguistics @edibuddies
(DIR) Post #ATDIxr2ucoCLSMymfI by stancarey@mastodon.ie
2023-03-02T18:37:22Z
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@grammargirl I thought it was an interesting question too. I'm not using ChatGPT yet, so I haven't noticed it make any such slips. Was hoping the replies would be enlightening instead of a list of peeves!
(DIR) Post #ATDJASPxVHgoq0liW8 by amberlove@mastodon.social
2023-03-02T18:39:37Z
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@grammargirl I would ask in that regard, why not use something like grammarly?
(DIR) Post #ATDJNoEvgGqmHZybHU by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-02T18:42:02Z
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@amberlove I saw a person this morning say chatGPT replaced Grammarly for them. I'm not sure if they thought it was better or they just made the switch because it's free. (I know Grammarly has a free tier.)
(DIR) Post #ATDJWm2PElCM3kORxA by paulkater@mstdn.social
2023-03-02T18:43:39Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies He should listen to your latest podcast instead. I heard it today and liked it a lot.
(DIR) Post #ATDJgp6sfZxAU2HJvE by amberlove@mastodon.social
2023-03-02T18:45:22Z
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@grammargirl Oh that's interesting.
(DIR) Post #ATDJnfo7eeTZevlqBk by budgibson@me.dm
2023-03-02T18:46:44Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies Mignon, you’ve mentioned you’re an editor. What is your personal approach to navigating changing usage patterns? One thing to keep in mind is that you could figure out a way to flood the zone with what you think is right and get chatGPT to more often adopt your usage. This is effectively what black hat SEO does.
(DIR) Post #ATDKE1suC9CDewZjV2 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-02T18:51:29Z
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@paulkater @edibuddies Thanks!
(DIR) Post #ATDKljJjjYuDv6C9qa by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-02T18:57:33Z
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@budgibson @edibuddies I used to be an editor, but I have done Grammar Girl full time for many years now, so I don't deal with editing other people's work anymore.It feels like it would be hard to flood a zone as big as chatGPT's training data.With my question, I was thinking that chatGPT might just be the final way that "everyone votes with their usage" becomes reality. (That was the topic of my TEDx talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfCXKhlxFkY)
(DIR) Post #ATDLuQ9KT7sn242Edc by budgibson@me.dm
2023-03-02T19:10:19Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies It might be hard to flood chatGPT in general, but it might very well be possible for niche topics. In a way, it becomes a war of bots. Re when will we just switch over to usage based grammar rules? In a way, I think we always have done that. The real question is how quickly things catch on and with which groups. In my experience, people use grammar as a gating function for group membership. Use the wrong rules, and you are “other”. That’s bad.
(DIR) Post #ATDMmm8ov5s2sNiPia by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-02T19:20:08Z
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@budgibson @edibuddies When I first read your post, I thought, "Who would bother flooding the zone about grammar?"But then I thought of this guy: https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/uk/lifestyle/a552628/47000-wikipedia-edits-grammar-debate/
(DIR) Post #ATDNFy33jEjUCewN1s by alex@air11.social
2023-03-02T19:25:26Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies So, lemme axe ya: what happens when ChatGPT starts using spoken slang instead of "standard" English?I think Chomsky would say, "Nothing Both are equally valid." But I hope ChatGPT does go colloquial. If ChatGPT starts dropping indefinite articles (sounding south Asian) or substituting "whilst" for "while," it will sound less authoritative and reveal its mechanistic underpinnings. That would be good news for everyone who conflates good grammar and intelligence
(DIR) Post #ATDOTYiYnuGjeMOgIS by cwwilkie@zirk.us
2023-03-02T19:39:05Z
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@grammargirl I've been diving deep into ChatGPT, seeing what it's capable of. I haven't seen it make many common grammatical errors, though today's work was a hash, I'll reread it. It commonly swaps attached pronouns when three or more people are in a scene, so my prompts must awkwardly stick to proper nouns as much as possible. Sometimes it treats adjectives as generic traits without considering the ramifications of those traits, contradicting itself within a sentence to comedic effect.
(DIR) Post #ATDOyIJzoZ8Dm7Yycy by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-02T19:44:39Z
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@cwwilkie Interesting!
(DIR) Post #ATDkGyOQENWWVVNhb6 by statesdj@genomic.social
2023-03-02T23:43:19Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies ChatGPT is tunable, you can ask it to write informally, formally, or in a specific style
(DIR) Post #ATDqRlCeD6q2VfOui8 by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-03T00:52:33Z
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@statesdj I've had great fun with that! Asking it to rewrite things in the style of a pirate, and so on. I'm thinking more of how it responds when people are using it as a straight search engine (as some people frighteningly appear to be doing).
(DIR) Post #ATDqporIGqHGnUsvZI by mloxton@med-mastodon.com
2023-03-03T00:56:52Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies I have not noticed that, but have noticed that it gets amnesia every so often, and forget what we had talked about
(DIR) Post #ATDvsMvD5xTknBkg0u by KevinMarks@xoxo.zone
2023-03-03T01:53:23Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies I wonder if it crawled the eggcorn database. I am pretty sure that you can nudge it into different ideolects with prompting. The Bing default prompt is trying to move it into a particular subset of authoritative dialogue, but people keep finding ways to redirect it
(DIR) Post #ATE2SzbhLCU6vGTKTo by hill_hobbit@techhub.social
2023-03-03T03:07:12Z
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@grammargirl @edibuddies a friend of mine has long speculated that some of the errant suggestions of text autocorrect will be incorporated into common vernacular with the altered meaning of the autocorrect suggestion.
(DIR) Post #ATE4Jevh39WS5vVB7g by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-03T03:27:54Z
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@hill_hobbit Seems plausible!
(DIR) Post #ATaKGiW7I8HEE5TZBY by grvsmth@lingo.lol
2023-03-13T21:10:20Z
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@grammargirl So after 11 days, it looks like the responses are "maybe, but I haven't seen it"?
(DIR) Post #ATaLOmhfi6eHTsI8IK by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-03-13T21:23:01Z
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@grvsmth Yes, seems that way.