Post ATDLDKM28gOCbhQeTQ by DroidEngineer@universeodon.com
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(DIR) Post #ATDJiqc43KAbiwpUNk by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-03-02T18:45:56Z
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It's perfectly possible Covid originated from a lab. Why is this controversial?
(DIR) Post #ATDKVCyODnO4yMKePI by OldAndCranky@sfba.social
2023-03-02T18:54:37Z
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@Tilopa yeah, I don't really get that either. I mean, unless it was intentional then it hardly matters.
(DIR) Post #ATDLDKM28gOCbhQeTQ by DroidEngineer@universeodon.com
2023-03-02T19:02:37Z
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@Tilopa Yeah, there's always been a non-zero probability that it escaped a lab. We don't know what info the intelligence community has and I've held an open mind, although, I leaned toward the wet market theory from what I know of their transmissibility of viruses, bacteria, parasites (and their vectors like mosquitoes, ticks, etc) in past outbreaks.But we're rational people. I read an article in Washington Examiner yesterday where the author claimed "the left" was lying about the origins of COVID because, basically, the data suggested one thing to us before and now it may be suggesting something different. This is a gross misunderstanding of science, and when it's done negligently or purposefully, it becomes a lie in furtherance of propaganda.Republicans are not as interested in finding the true origins of COVID as they are in making political hay in whatever they can get away with saying.
(DIR) Post #ATDLEbjqzTNqoSBI4O by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-03-02T19:02:52Z
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@OldAndCranky I blame everyone equally, so I don't mind blaming pundits and anchors who were saying 'it's impossible that's the case', and 'it's a right-wing conspiracy theory', because ... it was always a possibility - one that's academic, because it doesn't change anything on the ground - But why oppose a theory, seemingly just because it's propounded by people you don't like? Who's the fool now, Joy Reid, etc?
(DIR) Post #ATDLOYJyYEIJ6roptY by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-03-02T19:04:40Z
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@OldAndCranky I ask you, did you ever say 'I totally reject that it came from the Wuhan lab, there's no way that's the case', or 'it definitely evolved naturally from bats, or whatever, in a wet-market'? No, the correct answer is: I don't know how, or where it originated, and either possibility is entirely possible.
(DIR) Post #ATDLySxHykOKtPKfDc by Tilopa@convo.casa
2023-03-02T19:11:09Z
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@DroidEngineer I blame those 'on our side', who treated the Wuhan lab possibility as another 'crazy conspiracy theory', because now they've lent it credibility, and discredited themselves. .. Sigh, to cut a long story short, why would anyone stake out a position one way or the other, and risk being wrong, when there was no need to do that??
(DIR) Post #ATDNhRgzcXZJxfioD2 by DroidEngineer@universeodon.com
2023-03-02T19:30:13Z
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@Tilopa aah I see. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to stake out a position with the information we have as long as it's defensible, but we have to be willing to reassess when new data comes in, and that may cause us to flip our position. That's my rational position. :)<context>At the time these things were being reported out, Trump and R's were, without evidence and to protect Trump, calling it the slur "China Virus," and aggressively pushing the lab theory with far less evidence than we have today, solely because it fit their narrative.</context>I think some in the media's response to that was to instinctively and symmetrically push back, and in doing so, took as extreme and rigid position as the right.I'm not justifying what they did, and I agree it drags their credibility, but I think there is right way they could have taken up a position.