Post ATAwTsMA5RDiQfJ2qe by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
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(DIR) Post #ATAw1i5oeYhcUMEKxs by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T15:10:58Z
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So apparently some FBI agents wanted to put an end to the Trump Mar-a-Lago documents case but the DOJ insisted on moving forward.Here's the story, which I can offer free through my subscription: https://wapo.st/3kuBoTyBrandon Van Grack (https://twitter.com/BVanGrack) had an interesting take:While most people will focus on the tension between FBI and DOJ, the most troubling part is that people who knew about the dispute leaked it in the middle of a criminal investigation.
(DIR) Post #ATAwINvGtkeWr5FW5I by steveportigal@mastodon.social
2023-03-01T15:13:56Z
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@Teri_Kanefield The article calls it a "raid" - I remember this being one point of rhetorical disagreement at the time, what makes something a raid, etc. The Right used that language to inflame and play Trump's persecution card. Maybe it was technically a raid, or maybe the journalist here has just bought into the framing the right gave it?
(DIR) Post #ATAwTsMA5RDiQfJ2qe by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T15:16:03Z
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@steveportigal Steve, I think that the use of the word "raid" tells us who may have leaked the information. (Not that it was hard to guess which side did the leaking)
(DIR) Post #ATAx6Y8xAjVL27ZMBc by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-03-01T15:23:01Z
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@Teri_Kanefield why is it troubling that we learn about this months after it happened ?surely this is something the public needs to know and will hopefully counter the insane idea liberals developed after 9/11 that the FBI is our friend
(DIR) Post #ATAxMg27bcDq8W41NA by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-03-01T15:25:55Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I don't understand why you think the leak is a problem, eg this shows that leaks are in the public interest, IMO
(DIR) Post #ATAxPnU8MAJ47HecKW by stacey_campbell@aus.social
2023-03-01T15:26:29Z
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@Teri_Kanefield "They also heard from top FBI officials that some agents were simply afraid: They worried taking aggressive steps investigating Trump could blemish or even end their careers, according to some people with knowledge of the discussions."Not great.
(DIR) Post #ATAxmkdD8G5ZvVqSXY by jon_wnc@mstdn.social
2023-03-01T15:30:39Z
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@Teri_Kanefield we're all equal before the law. it's just that some of us are more equal than others.
(DIR) Post #ATAxyjjGJTPIbROHcu by DrewKadel@social.coop
2023-03-01T15:32:49Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @steveportigal The story does seem to have a lot of Steve d'Antuono's perspective. He's recently retired as head of the FBI Washington Field Office.
(DIR) Post #ATAxzfJkCVSRD5tiu8 by cdlhamma@hachyderm.io
2023-03-01T15:32:58Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I was thinking the same thing 😕
(DIR) Post #ATAyCPK4yn87Mu896e by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T15:35:18Z
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite Leaks from inside a criminal investigation are unethical, against rules, and generally harm the investigation.
(DIR) Post #ATB0LhgUHVNWpWAjMe by timo21@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-03-01T15:59:24Z
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@Teri_Kanefield the subscription plea blocks the text of the article. Regardless, there are obviously MAGA-moles gumming up the works at DOJ. This could be just the proverbial 'tip of the iceberg'.
(DIR) Post #ATB26ojE0cDGF2TwLg by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T16:19:07Z
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@timo21 This story was about MAGA moles in the FBI. There is no evidence that MAGA moles are gumming up anything at the DOJ.Here is your assigned reading topic for the day. (yes there is a quiz 😉 )https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/You are making two errors: (1) assuming anything is gummed up and (2) assuming there is evidence of MAGA moles.There might be such evidence but I haven't seen it.Let's talk again after you read the FAQ page.
(DIR) Post #ATB2FOOjH5vJBWz5GK by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T16:20:40Z
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@timo21 You should be able to read the article. Click through whatever message you are getting. Others have been able to read it free through my gift link.(Since you didn't read it, the article is about a dispute between the FBI and the DOJ, where the MAGA moles are in the FBI)
(DIR) Post #ATB7nVddMRjHG12k2C by rustoleumlove@mastodon.online
2023-03-01T17:22:49Z
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@Teri_Kanefield surprise! our FBI and DOJ (and secret service, SCOTUS, and prolly state department) are totally compromised and corrupt. amazing.real great country we got here.
(DIR) Post #ATB8U1MPoCDlnxGDAG by fulanigirl@blacktwitter.io
2023-03-01T17:30:29Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Wray is a disgrace and no doubt it will come out in some memoir in years ahead that he was associated with one of these white terror groups.
(DIR) Post #ATB9gjSFnF91zPcHLc by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T17:44:01Z
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If you're interested in facts, you can start here: https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/Let me know what you think.(There is a quiz at the end. Let me know how you score :)
(DIR) Post #ATBAfTAOxwYX8cECNE by cherold@zirk.us
2023-03-01T17:54:52Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Doesn't it seem like the FBI goes hogwild on Democrats, faces criticism, and then when it's time to investigate Republicans says they need to be cautious because of the criticism they faced last time, and then later they go hogwild on Dems again?
(DIR) Post #ATBDxvwuzXDpTqPvrk by PITTERSPLATTER@mastodon.art
2023-03-01T18:31:54Z
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@Teri_Kanefield speaking of slimey shenanigans, it has been suggested that McCarthy has released footage to Carlson in order to get jan 6th convictions overturn through "Brady" rules???? I could be way off on that. What's your take on that?
(DIR) Post #ATBEJXlDba4GpbFVfU by robinbrenizer@home.social
2023-03-01T18:35:51Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @steveportigal this is the FBIs attempt to distance itself from Merrick Garland and Biden. Sickening.
(DIR) Post #ATBEMIwp8RxLl6zgzw by robinbrenizer@home.social
2023-03-01T18:36:21Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @failedLyndonLaRouchite the RW FBI is a leak machine
(DIR) Post #ATBENpvhziVmLACdwu by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T18:36:40Z
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@PITTERSPLATTER How would that work? Brady rules just require the prosecution to release exculpatory evidence, right?
(DIR) Post #ATBEao5m8cHqPD62GO by PITTERSPLATTER@mastodon.art
2023-03-01T18:38:55Z
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@Teri_Kanefield that's how I understand it. Basically a channel I follow summed up that McCarthy is trying to get everyone off the hook by releasing this footage and that includes Trump. I dont know how plausible that is, and so now I'm questioning following this specific channel.
(DIR) Post #ATBEs3mH4aSlyaCZQ8 by alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com
2023-03-01T18:42:06Z
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@Teri_Kanefield so some agents were more worried about their career than doing the right thing sounds like the FBI has some cleaning up to do inside from the article
(DIR) Post #ATBEwMWvIHpXII4a3s by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T18:42:53Z
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@PITTERSPLATTER I am totally not following the logic. I can't see how it gets anyone off the hook. Are the people putting this forward familiar with criminal defense? (If they're not lawyers at all, just disregard it because it makes no sense to me)
(DIR) Post #ATBFcYppvzLBcV2cjY by PITTERSPLATTER@mastodon.art
2023-03-01T18:50:30Z
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@Teri_Kanefield it's the Meidastouch folks. Essentially saying that the hours and hours of footage has been released in order to challenge convictions as well as challenge ongoing trials. It all sounded a bit too easy to me. Sucks not having the legal knowledge to be able to sift through this stuff and tell what is bs and what isn't lol.
(DIR) Post #ATBGc3VSVtesPTpgqe by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T19:01:38Z
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@PITTERSPLATTER I think their law is usually accurate, but I don't see how it releasing it helps the defense.
(DIR) Post #ATBGj5KY87zm5u58NM by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-03-01T19:00:24Z
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@robinbrenizer @Teri_Kanefield I am 66 yroand I well remember pre 9/11, when the std liberal/progressive idea was that the FBI were largely a bunch of gun crazy right wing homophobesthen, bizarrely, that all changed after 9/11 and the FBI were heroesa somewhat similar arc for CIA, going from Church commission villains to saving us from terrorists
(DIR) Post #ATBGj5pkG8wteeg304 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T19:02:53Z
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite @robinbrenizer Somewhat similar is the recent left wing hero worship of prosecutors. Some are good, particularly now that women and POC have become prosecutors, but the hero worship of some of these chest-beating former prosecutors is just head shaking to me.
(DIR) Post #ATBGzYPTmTbCurEzJI by failedLyndonLaRouchite@mas.to
2023-03-01T19:05:52Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @robinbrenizer yes, good one !!?? there are now a large number of ex prosecutors as TV talking heads, so maybe people see the nice friendly face on TV and that image dominates their thinking cause things like civil forfeiture ? high bail ? overcharging ? Using informants to get people to commit crimes they otherwise would not have ? [iirc, Bush, and perhaps Obama did this a lot re GWOT]never heard of em<sarcasm/>
(DIR) Post #ATBHNwSG2CE2RKAYYi by PITTERSPLATTER@mastodon.art
2023-03-01T19:10:11Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Granted I may have missed something here since I am multitasking and listening at the same time but this logic struck me as odd. At the end of the day the DOJ had to have foreseen and planned for republican congressional meddling right?https://youtu.be/MVIHIwI4vKEI probably missed something in the video and am going to look like a total moron now lol.
(DIR) Post #ATBHRWntLXRI2hzy6K by bruce_korb@mstdn.social
2023-03-01T19:10:55Z
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@Teri_Kanefield The DoJ has some serious problems.
(DIR) Post #ATBJFzPXMMBzCRETjc by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T19:31:14Z
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@PITTERSPLATTER If you're not a lawyer listening to this stuff, no way are you a moron. More likely there was something I didn't think of. I'll get to this a bit later.
(DIR) Post #ATBKfkggp5rN1G6VN2 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-01T19:47:06Z
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite It's not troubling to learn about it.It's troubling that someone is leaking this stuff during an investigation.Just because I want to know now doesn't mean I should know now.
(DIR) Post #ATBW2vX9lJUGoYtk0W by Catawu@mastodon.social
2023-03-01T21:54:30Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @PITTERSPLATTER Unless they have footage of someone holding a gun to the insurgents’ heads and pushing them to commit the crimes, all of which are evident in other tapes (proof of their involvement/participation/guilt), the tapes do nothing for the defense. They do, however, give key information to the next attackers on where key safety points are, and that endangers everyone.
(DIR) Post #ATBjDYDy47Bz6wJpwW by timo21@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-03-02T00:22:08Z
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@Teri_Kanefield What I did wrong was click on the WAPO photo for the article, instead of your special link. Thanks for sharing that.
(DIR) Post #ATBkolylzIRsRKWZN2 by timo21@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-03-02T00:40:04Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thanks for the response. My error was conflating the FBI and DOJ in the assertion of MAGA-moles, since the public evidence is actually only FBI. I apologize for that. My evidence about MAGA moles is anecdotal. I was a fed employee until 2017 & had coworkers that were Newt republicans, then tea party, then slid to MAGAs. I even worked with a couple of 'sovereign citizens'. The civil service will have the same number of MAGAs as the general population. Some will be bad actors.
(DIR) Post #ATBpoR7647ohUr4oKm by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-02T01:36:02Z
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@PITTERSPLATTER I listened. I get the argument. The idea is that now all the people convicted have an appeal: They can say that the DOJ withheld exculpatory evidence.But this assumes that there WAS exculpatory evidence in that footage. Defense lawyers raise everything they can. That doesn't mean it succeeds.
(DIR) Post #ATBtWAcR3KpGwaHS6a by PITTERSPLATTER@mastodon.art
2023-03-02T02:17:32Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I appreciate your expertise very much. And I also feel like I'm interacting with a celebrity lol! Thanks again for taking the time to reply to an anxiety ridden musician.
(DIR) Post #ATBv0k1DRTZf8JEgmu by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-02T02:34:17Z
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@PITTERSPLATTER Funny, but I was thinking earlier that I feel so much freer to interact on Mastodon. If there was exculpatory evidence, then the DOJ screwed up. My mantra is that the worst the DOJ can do right now is make a mistake. That's why they really have to ignore the people yelling at them to hurry.
(DIR) Post #ATBwE0K0Et3dPluZsG by PITTERSPLATTER@mastodon.art
2023-03-02T02:47:52Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I just don't see how their could be. I mean, beating down cops and breaking into the capitol seems pretty......cut and dry.
(DIR) Post #ATBznBLZXTKzbh6xf6 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-02T03:27:51Z
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@PITTERSPLATTER Correct. Also the DOJ would have to have failed to turn it over.I had an appeal once, a dependency appeal (mother accused of abuse), so Brady didn't apply. I had evidence that the government withheld exculpatory evidence but lost on appeal because the error was not "harmless" (CA law is different, plus it wasn't actually a criminal case).In general I don't get all excited if the defense has an issue on appeal.
(DIR) Post #ATC2l8OlpVXzkJK3Ye by pennyivy@sfba.social
2023-03-02T04:01:06Z
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@Teri_Kanefield "Some FBI agents, on the other hand, had more trust in Corcoran." Isn't Corcoran now suspected of aiding Trump in hiding crime? I am thinking of crime/fraud exception to attorney/client privilege. Wasn't he ordered to testify?
(DIR) Post #ATCuDOYJpha0rgz0nA by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-03-02T14:00:05Z
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@timo21 The FBI is under the DOJ but imagine how it would look if they actually started firing all of the FBI agents right now who agreed with Trump.As it is, they are leaking to the press. Also really people shouldn't be fired even if they have stupid political ideas.
(DIR) Post #ATFRDQqQzp9SmH0ADY by timo21@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-03-03T19:19:15Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Yes, you are entirely right about the employment. Our predecessors in democracy created the Civil Service to stop to anything like that. That's why Trump's schedule F is so dangerous. Schedule F didn't get the attention it should have. Politicizing the bureaucracy would destroy democracy more than any supreme court ruling, IMO. https://www.axios.com/2022/07/22/trump-2025-radical-plan-second-term