Post AT3dcDNcXzZqiIX2vI by victor@crucible.world
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(DIR) Post #AT3UOmcVpTCIMq1ArA by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T00:58:26.559857Z
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I have to admit, having the Bible dramatised to me while I read along has made it easier to continue... especially given how repetitive it is.
(DIR) Post #AT3dcDNcXzZqiIX2vI by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-26T02:41:42.564353Z
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@sim John is probably where I would recommend a new reader to start. Maybe go through Genesis afterward to get the gist of pre-flood creation, Abraham's line, origin of the ancient Israelites and their time in Egypt, etc.
(DIR) Post #AT3gsapnPaK3x5DDIe by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T03:18:17.640743Z
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@victor True enough. I have already read bits and pieces. But I've never been able to read the bible all the way through so I'm hoping to do this. Taking a few notes on what interests me too. I have an audio book being read to me so I think that helps for the parts that I was stuck before... hopefully the writing gets easier in the NT.
(DIR) Post #AT3h7DnhKiZGrECqS8 by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-26T03:20:56.474675Z
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@sim Good luck! I think the one-year plans are pretty aggressive, but a two-year plan can be a lot better for retention and catching up if you miss a day or two. Also getting a Bible with verse-by-verse commentary can also help with context (though you have to be careful because the commentators also have an agenda to push and often don't just let the scripture speak for itself).
(DIR) Post #AT3hpNxcv3Nj6tuR3g by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T03:28:52.422799Z
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@victor Thanks! I don't have a year for what I'm hoping to do... I was hoping to complete this for Lent but I haven't started until today so that isn't doing so well. Just going to read as much as I can and go back on what interests me. But you are right, eventually it will be good to have some commentary... I am curious about the meaning behind some words and concepts to understand the Biblical meanings behind them. Like the idea of repenting in the Bible, something that even God has done. Some of that might even be a translation thing. Also, I find it fascinating about the covenant and what is expected of men... like in keeping the way of the Lord, doing justice and judgment.
(DIR) Post #AT3i4WecsZ7WPtF1JA by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-26T03:31:39.424065Z
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@sim > repenting in the Bible, something that even God has doneWait wha..? Where does that happen?
(DIR) Post #AT3ihJeR9qyhNkeKPY by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T03:38:40.588283Z
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@victor When he realises that men are corrupt and he has created man... this is just before the flood happens where he decides to destroy man for his evil. I don't know if this is a translation thing but I found it interesting. He has grief for this. After the flood, he also creates a covenant and is moved to never flood the earth again."6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."
(DIR) Post #AT3jPTZTdXsktFO1oG by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-26T03:46:38.583938Z
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@sim Interesting, I don't think I've ever read the KJV of that verse. I guess this is where learning ancient Hebrew or Greek would come in handy, but nobody has time for that.For what it's worth, 1 Samuel 15:29 KJV says pretty clearly that God doesn't repent.The fact that it says "it repented the LORD" instead of "the LORD repented" makes me think that it has a different meaning, but I'm not a language scholar.I'd be interested to hear anyone else's thoughts on this.
(DIR) Post #AT3k8hxWzPD8XqCpay by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T03:54:50.271441Z
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@victor Yeah. I'd love to learn Latin or Greek. I have some stuff on that for later reading. Would be interesting to read the original translation. The other thing is, when KJV was written... it could have meant something else to what we think now. But it is interesting that the verse seems to imply that God grieves for what he has created. Would be interesting to figure out what it means by repent here... you can see why I find it so fascinating, thinking about the translations and meanings behind words.
(DIR) Post #AT3lND14PtFWsJL86a by magicat@poa.st
2023-02-26T04:08:39.983605Z
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@victor @sim The Hebrew passages both use the same word, variants of Strong's H5162, nacham, but the LXX differentiates them. The Samuel passage uses a variant of metanoia, which is changing of mind, whereas Genesis uses dianoia. Dianoia really suggests what you'd read from context, that the actions of the people were so bad that God's perspective on them went from the good evaluation like after His creation to a negative one. Nachem has a broad enough meaning that the LXX differentiation makes sense. The English "repent" is a bit of a peculiar choice, but it does keep the two usages consistent as per the Hebrew.
(DIR) Post #AT3lkqczJ93cO9Lb6G by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-26T04:12:54.709899Z
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@magicat @sim Thanks for that writeup! I know the ancient Hebrew is tough to translate because of the lack of vowels. It also means we miss out on a lot of wordplay (rhymes, puns, one-letter deviations, etc.) that they used.
(DIR) Post #AT3m1Z6DjQ0uwozZUu by magicat@poa.st
2023-02-26T04:15:57.800940Z
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@victor @sim This is why I like to use the LXX to bounce off of. Gives an idea of what scholarship from the just-before-Jesus era thought the Hebrew meant. Anchors it in the Greek abstraction that underpins so much of Western thought. Interesting topic, for sure.
(DIR) Post #AT3mUNEouW6QYgkerQ by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T04:21:09.728811Z
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@victor @magicat Yeah, it's a shame that we end up missing out on the wordplay used. I do wonder how good a translation the KJV is. I've been reading what others think these verses mean but they haven't covered the various translations so much. At least it seems that repent is used for the two senses... although I wish that I fully understood what that means. Perhaps I'll see more examples of it. Especially when men repent.
(DIR) Post #AT3mt5ABFWg9jwMaK8 by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T04:25:37.273514Z
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@victor @magicat It's interesting that repenting is seen as a thing for men and not God. Especially when you think about how in order to repent, Adam and Eve did need to eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. To repent, you would surely need to know things like evil or shame. It is more God-like to know this so it strikes me as more of a godly thing to be able to experience.
(DIR) Post #AT3n3xmR2Vl41lReWe by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-26T04:27:34.336452Z
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@sim @magicat When I get stuck on weird wording for a specific verse, I go to biblehub.com, which shows a ton of translations at once:https://biblehub.com/genesis/6-6.htm...While keeping in mind roughly the decade in which each translation was made. It's no secret that the newer the translation, generally the worse it is.
(DIR) Post #AT3nI93rtQzP4NMUEa by magicat@poa.st
2023-02-26T04:30:09.935804Z
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@sim My position on repentance is basically shared with the GES. Maybe this helps with clarity. faithalone.org/blog/what-did-ezekiel-mean-by-turn-and-live-ezekiel-1832-3311/
(DIR) Post #AT3nRccZMOX3Lz6zJo by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-26T04:31:51.088283Z
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@sim @magicat Michael Heiser (who passed a few days ago) gets into this a little bit in The Unseen Realm. You'd probably enjoy it. He makes the claim that God's council actually has corruptible beings on it and that he doesn't fully trust them. I'm not doing it justice. It mostly centers around Psalm 82 and what the real meaning of "you are gods" is, who he's addressing and why, their status in the hierarchy of heaven, etc.
(DIR) Post #AT3nV1nAERNaHwgvcu by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T04:32:29.115210Z
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@victor @magicat Thanks for the recommendation. I remember that site from some time ago so it's good to find it again to get the translations. I think you are right, the newer translations just don't seem to do the passage justice. Perhaps it is a good thing I didn't pick the newer King James translation.
(DIR) Post #AT3oW8FnnAjGZcB2O0 by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T04:43:53.200814Z
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@magicat I think it will take some processing but it makes sense that if we turn from the path of wickedness then we will continue to live. If we do not, then we will continue to suffer from it and often die sooner. In that sense, God wouldn't need to repent. But I do wonder about the definition that involves feeling sorrow.
(DIR) Post #AT3ojFsYklnlzFYyAa by sim@shitposter.club
2023-02-26T04:46:15.684256Z
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@victor @magicat Sad to hear that he has passed away. I think you are right that I might find it interesting, especially when I get to that part in the Bible. It will probably inspire more questions about that passage.