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 (DIR) Post #ASyNEfhp0jzgYcvuiW by TedUnderwood@sigmoid.social
       2023-02-23T13:44:36Z
       
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       I get how remote work functions for people like developers. If the deliverables are getting delivered, everyone's happy. I'm much less sure that it's a good model for academia, where campus culture is to some extent our "product."
       
 (DIR) Post #ASyNN1pWdZwVUWWNdo by TedUnderwood@sigmoid.social
       2023-02-23T13:46:07Z
       
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       At any rate, when I think about places and times when I felt an academic unit had high morale ... they were places and times where people saw each other in the halls.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASyNSBMWcksqVFPjrk by sharonmleon@hcommons.social
       2023-02-23T13:47:02Z
       
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       @TedUnderwood The developers I work with want to be together at least some time, and I want to be with them too... I'm also in agreement with you about campus culture (where I'm a lack-luster citizen).
       
 (DIR) Post #ASyO0yZCBpfcxAvoa8 by arnicas@mstdn.social
       2023-02-23T13:53:19Z
       
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       @TedUnderwood  i don't think it's quite true... devs also get a lot out of being around each other in person for help, lunch etc. it's just everyone gets touchy when there are tons of meetings and terrible deadlines that need concentration
       
 (DIR) Post #ASyOJsnDsfGyY4VZA0 by TedUnderwood@sigmoid.social
       2023-02-23T13:56:45Z
       
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       @arnicas Interesting. Putting that together with what @sharonmleon is saying, it sounds like there's more similarity than difference here. Both fields would profit from a smart, flexible approach that ensured there were both protected periods of focus and, like, a shared lunch or coffee space.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASyOmOn0VncBtO0MHg by jbj@hcommons.social
       2023-02-23T14:01:49Z
       
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       @TedUnderwood this is true, as long as there’s a gap between “academia” and “postsecondary education.”
       
 (DIR) Post #ASyS4y74Dag4WNvxtQ by kyrickyoung@sigmoid.social
       2023-02-23T14:38:53Z
       
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       @TedUnderwood I'd be fine commuting to work if I wasn't expected to be glued to my chair working non-stop for 8 hours straight. So the two problems for me 1) the pacing is fundamentally bad 2) that 8 hour day turns into 9 to 12 hours depending on commute times. Remote work is a bandaid for 1 and solves 2.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASySmeSIfKhyIQh9xA by News4wombats@mastodon.social
       2023-02-23T14:46:45Z
       
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       @TedUnderwood It’s tricky. To what extent did you feel the high morale because you bumped into people in the halls? Maybe here was contentment and happiness at other times, but not so you’d notice.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASyTHHKUhHohY8eEvw by TedUnderwood@sigmoid.social
       2023-02-23T14:52:19Z
       
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       @News4wombats Yeah — I'm looking for the morale under the streetlights, in a sense
       
 (DIR) Post #AT0TCG2ETI4YP2dFEO by steve_oberg@mastodon.world
       2023-02-24T14:00:50Z
       
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       @TedUnderwood FWIW, I think this is interesting but not definitive at all in terms of causality. I think the reality of what defines or makes us happy or work well together is much more complex, and this is just as true in a campus environment as anywhere else.