Post ASziorOVK70DQexFfk by PirateRoberts@defcon.social
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(DIR) Post #ASz4ZG1G0JKb0D5PRg by internetarchive@mastodon.archive.org
2023-02-23T21:39:11Z
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As most of you know, our library is being sued by 4 corporate publishers who want to stop the Internet Archive from lending books. The date for oral argument has just been set for March 20. What's at stake? Lia Holland from @team elaborates: https://www.fightforthefuture.org/news/2023-02-23-statement-major-decision-on-libraries-digital-rights-a-step-closer-on-march-20
(DIR) Post #ASzYQFaLFJNDft7NS4 by kbsez@postchat.io
2023-02-24T03:20:21Z
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@internetarchive @team I shared the story and made a donation to help with the fight! Thanks for the work you do!!!
(DIR) Post #ASzgVZfgnC213IfX3A by Doug_Bostrom@scicomm.xyz
2023-02-24T04:50:58Z
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@internetarchive @team Yeah!Got money? Buy some legal combat for everybody. No matter the pro bono situation, this isn't coming cheap.https://www.fightforthefuture.org/donate/supporters
(DIR) Post #ASziorOVK70DQexFfk by PirateRoberts@defcon.social
2023-02-24T05:17:47Z
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@internetarchive @team The Problem is that copyright is completely screwed up, and is not a limited time as originally intended. Copyright can be mostly fixed with a couple changes. Copyright renewal should not be automatic. The copyright law in effect when a copyright was first issued should determine when a work enters the public domain. Heirs and estates should only have copyright on original works as copyrighted, not derivative works. Last, public performance should be fair use after 28 years ( the original maximum length of a copyright) #copyright #fairuse #publicdomain #copyrightlaw
(DIR) Post #AT0A6x9fLEorGorkhc by heapwolf@fosstodon.org
2023-02-24T10:22:35Z
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@internetarchive @team we have a technical solution for you, we’re even ready to do the development work for you for free, just give us 15 minutes with your CTO.
(DIR) Post #AT0AxYpaVWyxBAYmHo by Madagascar_Sky@mastodon.social
2023-02-24T10:31:53Z
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@internetarchive @team @cstross @neilhimself
(DIR) Post #AT0C7AECw3FfizDcRs by Tourma@mastodon.social
2023-02-24T10:46:08Z
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@internetarchive @team Good luck y'all. This librarian of the physical plane is rooting for you.
(DIR) Post #AT0K50RJ9qPWQ4pPiC by gavinisdie@masto.ai
2023-02-24T12:14:56Z
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@internetarchive @team if companies could, they would take the memories of thier thing out of your head
(DIR) Post #AT0PjopRjLBk3NOnzc by polezaivsani@chaos.social
2023-02-24T13:18:04Z
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@internetarchive Why bother holding on to a concept of a past when it is ridiculously unfit in the present? Lending physical books was required for sharing to carry on. Lending ebooks? No thank you. Not to mention that this most certainly comes with #drm in tow.@team
(DIR) Post #AT0QfACOwsrwq2TppY by didek@101010.pl
2023-02-24T13:32:27Z
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@polezaivsani @internetarchive @team Free access to written knowledge a concept of a the past? 😅
(DIR) Post #AT0R2Ck7emKrO9EveC by polezaivsani@chaos.social
2023-02-24T13:36:35Z
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@didek I'm arguing against concept of *lending* of knowledge.
(DIR) Post #AT0S2y6fexKuEqiNV2 by CardamineGreen@toot.community
2023-02-24T13:43:44Z
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@internetarchive @team Just donated! Thanks for fighting the good fight ✨✨✨
(DIR) Post #AT0SwruRt4zpEdeYeO by brianxlong@mstdn.social
2023-02-24T13:54:38Z
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@internetarchive @team iirc internetarchive loans books to places where they are banned.this is a pretty big issue.
(DIR) Post #AT0Tfsm7W1hIx2Doem by jebba@jebba.moe
2023-02-24T13:54:51Z
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@internetarchive @team I looked up to see who was doing this. AFAICT, these are the companies:* Hachette Book Group Inc. (owned by Lagardère Group).* HarperCollins Publishers LLC. (owned by News Corp, aka Murdoch).* John Wiley & Sons Inc. (NYSE:WLY, major holders Vanguard, Blackrock, etc).* Penguin Random House LLC (Germany, privately held by Bertelsmann)
(DIR) Post #AT0UWEuATyqqdyx4rI by zoidbergforpresident@ludosphere.fr
2023-02-24T14:06:38Z
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@internetarchive @team Fuck corps!
(DIR) Post #AT0gf1FrnjtUMi3QNU by staypufd@twit.social
2023-02-24T16:27:02Z
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Important stuff
(DIR) Post #AT0wlB0k2XNDcwwBjU by raymccarthy@historians.social
2023-02-24T19:27:20Z
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@internetarchive @team You should buy licences (per simultaneous loan) and pay royalty per loan, like proper libraries in UK & Ireland. Also on free download you host copyright books.Backing up archives of web pages is laudable, parasitizing copyright books isn't.You can't make up your own rules!
(DIR) Post #AT13R70PvADJ5oAJHc by jmaxsfu@hcommons.social
2023-02-24T20:42:29Z
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@internetarchive I support you and wish you success in this court case but I'm unwilling to share this article, because Lia from @team resorts to the same divisive rhetoric and name-calling that the authors' and publishers associations do to the IA. This space needs more listening and healing, not more incendiary speech.
(DIR) Post #AT1XMaf7EFvgFOxgdU by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-02-25T02:22:15.648666Z
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@internetarchive @team >It is just as important to preserve digital books as paper books, given especially the rising popularity of digital books and the fact that many local and diverse voices are not published in print. We want a future where libraries are free to preserve digital book files and ensure they remain accessible to the public as well unaltered.Wow, I agree with this sentiment. I wonder who said this...>Internet Archive@Sui I think you and your group know more about this, but doesn't Internet Archive routinely work to scrub the internet of certain content it doesn't like?
(DIR) Post #AT1ZUoqEatvoRtDK8O by Foil_Hatter@chudbuds.lol
2023-02-25T02:45:17.068520Z
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Every organization, every group has a figurative or literal tranny on board that tries to fuck with what they assume to be wrong. It takes better human than most to be able to let things you disagree with just coexist. And unfortunately the sad truth is that in group of many it takes only one to exert the power granted by the group to fuck with it.
(DIR) Post #AT1w6fmAwh3aKQlq8O by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-02-25T06:59:30.686554Z
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@Foil_Hatter @Sui @internetarchive @team Sure, but I mean that I think people over on chudbuds generally have knowledge about this *specific to the Internet Archive,* mainly because it's a bit I've heard from them more than a few times. I just don't know what those details are.
(DIR) Post #AT1yAg4fyhHuJwSflQ by Sui@chudbuds.lol
2023-02-25T07:22:38.728862Z
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Ahhh, this maybe? We're not associated with kiwifarms, but a lot of our users use it to laugh at the lolcows.https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/7/23341051/kiwi-farms-internet-archive-backup-removal
(DIR) Post #AT1yLQy0UJGyePTGTI by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-02-25T07:24:35.315602Z
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@Sui @Foil_Hatter @internetarchive @team This is the flavor of thing I was wondering about. I know that the Kiwi Farms people thought there was more depth to this removal than was officially stated, and so I thought chudbuds types would know more about that.
(DIR) Post #AT1yPmPyfuTwL3ctuq by cosmictentacle@masto.ai
2023-02-25T07:20:37Z
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@internetarchive @team I have to ask, when you started making the books in question available for lending, did you follow the proper library procedures, whatever they happen to be?
(DIR) Post #AT1yhSQviST3ZOV8Yy by sergelad@chudbuds.lol
2023-02-25T07:28:34.179100Z
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as far as i remember the thing thats been speculated to have happened with the wayback machine thing is taylor lorenz (or some other jewrno scum please correct me if i got the jew wrong) has a relative in wayback machine and got them to remove kiwifarms from there. that was during the #dropkiwifarms campaign.
(DIR) Post #AT1ysTT0DKx5xbiw7M by Sir_Ivissia@chudbuds.lol
2023-02-25T07:30:16.365359Z
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Either her or Liz No Dong leaned on someone there. Don't know if it was ever solved though.
(DIR) Post #AT1z6U1OwqDbjeUfFA by sergelad@chudbuds.lol
2023-02-25T07:33:05.737578Z
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i couldve sworn it was some jewrno but it is possible it was liz ching chong
(DIR) Post #AT21S2zgJiL8Bo6E2y by mfwiniberg@mastodon.online
2023-02-25T07:54:52Z
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@internetarchive @team I agree entirely with the aims of the Internet Archive and libraries in general.Having read this statement, I do wonder if the focus on the "greedy maw of Big Publishing" might not be counter-productive in a society (seen from the UK anyway) which seems to prioritise money/wealth over just about everything else. I'm only an outsider looking in, but having had retrospective restrictions placed on my ebooks (I still have a number I've bought and can no longer (...)
(DIR) Post #AT21S4e8AoI1JY22jY by mfwiniberg@mastodon.online
2023-02-25T07:54:52Z
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@internetarchive @team read) three times now over the years, this fight is very important.Maybe more emphasis on freedom, public good, restrictive practices, lack of/rights of ownership (contrasting with the law relating to paid-for physical books etc) and less on the monetary implications of book lending might be good. There are also authors and even publishers who insist that their books not have DRM restrictions etc. Perhaps they could also be persuade to support the fight?
(DIR) Post #AT3BVNUXky89KYinmS by casey@friend.camp
2023-02-25T21:21:42Z
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@internetarchive idk if you all made the right decision in all this
(DIR) Post #AT5jFTvxp289R33iDo by pdlagasse@home.social
2023-02-27T02:49:50Z
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Proud supporter of @internetarchive here! Will be following this for sure …@team
(DIR) Post #AT72OeXFrsUnCzY2Ma by Pamela@mastodonapp.uk
2023-02-27T17:57:47Z
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@internetarchive @team Love you guys. Can't recommend you enough!
(DIR) Post #AT73dPHWxkdGCLnB4K by bytebro@mastodonapp.uk
2023-02-27T18:06:20Z
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@internetarchive @team I'm not in the US but this is important for everyone.
(DIR) Post #AToOwxJOhHOOQIOz7w by didek@101010.pl
2023-03-20T16:08:50Z
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@polezaivsani If you cannot sell or lend, the only source of this information is a publisher.If the publisher turns evil, disallowing some group of people to buy from them, they must lend or buy used copy to legally access it.Disallowing this gives too much power to the hands of publishers, they even already have too much power thanks to modern copyright.
(DIR) Post #AToRqoy36kdgfWBP8a by polezaivsani@chaos.social
2023-03-20T16:41:19Z
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@didek For a whole lot of ifs connected to publishers, maybe it's not entirely wise to haul this practice rooted in limitations of physical books into the digital realm?> If you cannot sell or lendNot sure I'm following. If you absolutely need a publisher, then there some decent ones plus print on demand venues (offhand Lulu, Smashwords) that seem to void some of your precautions.Also, there are shadow libraries.