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(DIR) Post #ASv4mO8KN1LLIeoabA by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-02-21T23:33:33Z
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I wrote down some remarks on why the whole "Metaverse" narrative basically only makes sense if one ignores that the Internet happened. Oh yeah and it's also largely middle-aged men nostalgia.https://tante.cc/2023/02/22/an-alternative-that-would-never-be/
(DIR) Post #ASv66i7lqzbb2xoDLM by jkleer@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-21T23:48:27Z
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@tante „At some point in the past “faster horses” might have made sense but even adding something “techy” to it doesn’t make it work today.“ Wise words. Applies to the whole article.
(DIR) Post #ASvFJ58szxZbUxIwCG by neo@soc.psynet.me
2023-02-22T01:31:33Z
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@tante Very good read! I'd add that the immersive virtual worlds of Stephenson's Metaverse or - even more so - Gibson's Matrix could also be seen as metaphors to help people visualize more abstract uses of technology. "Entering a virtual world" is much more understandable than "visiting a website" when websites don't even exist yet.
(DIR) Post #ASvh5BQzbavFfuw0oK by kiview@ruhr.social
2023-02-22T06:42:46Z
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@tante If anything around the Metaverse narrative seems to be remotely of substance for me, it is Fortnite (also Minecraft). In very weird, unexpected and quirky ways that I don't fully understand, but many younger folks somehow do.It is also the total opposite to how Meta's Metaverse is built, which goes bottom-up, starting from more pseudo-atomic building blocks. Which is something Carmack criticized as a failing strategy and a reason he ultimately left.
(DIR) Post #ASvpatVsZRIIzeqtpA by gotofritz@fosstodon.org
2023-02-22T08:18:07Z
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@tante nice article, it articulates my feelings about the metaverse too.It ties in nicely with this article by Mark Nottingham about some of the (flawed) rationalisation Zucks use to justify the whole venture (in short: it's not enough to be a big player, he wants a space he owns)https://www.mnot.net/blog/2023/02/19/platforms
(DIR) Post #ASvqBkq5mcAao2so4G by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-02-22T08:24:48Z
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@gotofritz thanks for the link, interesting read
(DIR) Post #ASvrUHFu6AyYVhLuMa by mothninja@mastodon.world
2023-02-22T08:39:20Z
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@tante Brilliant article. Thank you for both writing it and sharing it.
(DIR) Post #ASvyeucPInnzAQtdCK by kaffeeringe@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-22T09:59:41Z
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@tante Guter Punkt. 👌
(DIR) Post #ASvzKkvZisRnH3oZDE by isotopp@chaos.social
2023-02-22T10:07:12Z
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@tante Pointing to digital dualism and meshing that with the previous instance of "Metaverse" called Second Life is nice, and underlines how Retro the entire thing is.My own analysis is coming more from an economic PoV: after all, for Facebook it is (was?) a (failed?)10bn investment.I think the economic PoV is "create demand for digital assets in everyday life" and "maybe mesh this with company scrip, maybe through blockchain stuff", that also means DRM everywhere.
(DIR) Post #ASw53JIJoBxYNDW7Wq by Inesdiana@mindly.social
2023-02-22T11:11:19Z
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@tante
(DIR) Post #ASw5Djuxg8iDq8Z6Rs by tanquist@masto.ai
2023-02-22T11:13:15Z
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@tante Great article! My only recent experience with #VirtualReality was a 30 second trip in my nephew's #Occulus (30 seaonds was long enough). The graphics quality and general feel of the place made me #nostalgic for the Virtual Reality Experience at the #MallOfAmerica back when that place was still new and exciting (late 1980s).
(DIR) Post #ASwBcEcVmLk5jjzzAO by viriato@mastodon.gal
2023-02-22T12:24:52Z
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@tante «Claiming Metaverse is the future of the Internet is like claiming that genetically modified horses are the future of transportation. At some point in the past “faster horses” might have made sense but even adding something “techy” to it doesn’t make it work today.»Love it. Brilliant post. Maybe this kind of posts are beating the dead horse that metaverses are, but... It's a dead horse that must be beaten, and this post is a very good kick.
(DIR) Post #ASwEj7j46roUFC2aCu by melivia@queer.party
2023-02-22T12:59:45Z
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@tante It seems a lot like what tech journalists thought the future would be like back in 1993.
(DIR) Post #ASwJGfK8c7vJoqd9qy by jimjamfroo_@mastodon.social
2023-02-22T13:50:35Z
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@tante Thanks for writing this. Really engaging read and it's nice to see a tech-focused story that doesn't just fall into some degree of client journalism.
(DIR) Post #ASwJLZSTqhED4ks73w by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-02-22T13:51:29Z
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@jimjamfroo_ thank you!
(DIR) Post #ASwU1DorgvgjfSqEEa by becha@social.v.st
2023-02-22T15:51:03Z
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@tante here's another text about nostalgia for the '90-s that reminded me of your text... it's not so much about tech as is about "life" in general ... in USA.. so I'm taking it with much grains of salt: https://freddiedeboer.substack.com/p/its-so-sad-when-old-people-romanticize
(DIR) Post #ASwdPHzyhhR5APafpI by georgebaily@mastodon.social
2023-02-22T14:14:36Z
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@tante what do you feel about the imaginative, experimental, escapist, or self exploratory aspects to being able to generate more developed alt personas which are specifically supposed to be not our meatspace selves? Is it this which clashes with the corporate and gov/reg "but we need to know the real you"?
(DIR) Post #ASwdPIaUVwduzefpjs by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-02-22T17:36:18Z
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@georgebaily Corporate is fine with you exploring anything (all is an opportunity to sell you stuff) but of course they'd like to link all these fractal identities
(DIR) Post #ASwdqrgy6YHXgdqdbU by resuna@ohai.social
2023-02-22T17:41:15Z
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@tante For at least a decade I have been pointing out that when Stevenson wrote Snow Crash he almost certainly had never seen a web browser.The Metaverse is basically Compuserve in 3d. It's extrapolating from an online experience where you go from one chat room to another, one portal or door application or forum to another, where you're in one place at one time, which is completely the opposite experience of the net.
(DIR) Post #ASweg7tbcQhci8CbWC by georgebaily@mastodon.social
2023-02-22T17:50:32Z
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@tante from multiple angles it feels like the noose is tightening and we are almost at "desire to be anonymous / disposable identity => criminal". Financial world already there... minus last battles of the war on cash.
(DIR) Post #ASwgB6txSvRkYfhmwy by resuna@ohai.social
2023-02-22T17:46:56Z
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@tante A pretty accurate implementation has been online for the past 20 years. It's called Second life, and it hits virtually all the high points of Stevenson's Metaverse. Your presence is via an avatar that exists in one place and interacts with other avatars interacting with the same space/service/business.The shortcomings of the whole Metaverse model are obvious in Second Life. It's not a model for doing real work, or business, it's a great chat system though.
(DIR) Post #ASwgB7Y13zUOYuRmO8 by resuna@ohai.social
2023-02-22T17:53:57Z
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@tante Phillip Rosedale has been trying to turn Second Life and High Fidelity into the business Metaverse that Stevenson imagined for the past 20 years. Fifteen years ago he had IBM and Sun and Nissan and Toyota setting up sims in second life to do business, and they did some interesting stuff for a while, but it wasn't really a useful environment for them. High Fidelity was more hopeful but the population of people who had and could adapt to headsets was even smaller.
(DIR) Post #ASwgB88WsEhEO9WwIi by resuna@ohai.social
2023-02-22T17:56:57Z
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@tante The Metaverse is relentlessly synchronous and single-instance. The Internet is asynchronous and multithreaded, and that's just so much more useful.
(DIR) Post #ASwgB8koZtJyItRVya by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-02-22T18:07:21Z
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@resuna exactly. The Metaverse is just so unambitious.
(DIR) Post #ASwlPYkxCMoqm0CdiS by pitsch@mastodon.social
2023-02-22T19:05:55Z
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@tante kommt schon hin so, aber es gaebe noch weitaus mehr zu erzaehlen ueber die abwege, van gogh tv mit telekom VRML in atlanta, metaversum gmbh und das virtuelle berlin (gebaut in kiev), schiefe terravision mythen auf netflix, tausende userinnen jahre bei WOW, und die unaufgearbeitete relevanz von muds/moos, das metaversum als vision des cartesianischen 3d datenraums, bis auf weiteres nicht totzukriegen, weil konzeptuell beschrarnkt wie die kultur die es geschaffen hat.
(DIR) Post #ASwmTK9jWY7ebU9Urw by pitsch@mastodon.social
2023-02-22T19:17:52Z
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@tante is getting there, but there would be more to tell about the aberrations: van gogh tv with telekom VRML in atlanta, metaversum gmbh and the virtual berlin (built in kiev), skewed terravision myths on netflix, a million user years wasted at WOW, the short not so eternal burning man festival of SL, and the unprocessed options of muds/moos, the metaverse as a vision of a cartesian cyberspace, not to be killed off for the time being, since conceptually limited, as the culture that created it.
(DIR) Post #ASzq3fiTishbEYJ71U by ianbobmorris@mastodon.social
2023-02-24T06:42:09Z
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@tante @davidgerard by the time i read snowcrash second life had already happened and i was using it, metaverse is such a 90s 2000s term