Post ASwFYeiVD4mBKfLkPI by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AStEZndMrIpxqk39Q8 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T02:07:22Z
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If there’s one annoying aspect about Mastodon it’s that people reply to posts without reading threads. Often, I ask, “Why don’t people click on messages to see if it’s part of a thread?”Because they don’t, that’s seems like a problematic aspect of the UI/UX. So maybe it would just be easier if there was some indicator in Mastodon that a message is part of a thread. @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AStEZoDAiBTddmnkEC by lamp@mastodong.lol
2023-02-21T02:13:59Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews maybe we should just have long character limits so we can keep everything together without this mess...but, i guess the idea is that this isn't the place for that, here you be breif and for big posts you should have a real blog
(DIR) Post #AStEZoN67HPu8ZRfhQ by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T02:12:06Z
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Some people ask me, “Why don’t you just put everything in one post?”Because:1. My brain doesn’t work that way. I write piecemeal.2. Even if I were to do that, a whole lot of text would be hidden behind a “Read more”—and not enough people read more.3. A number of people don’t like big posts, but prefer that long topics be split up into threads. @fediversenews
(DIR) Post #AStFEWAGiKs5Xgr47c by apples_and_pears@mastodon.world
2023-02-21T02:21:22Z
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@lamp @atomicpoet @fediversenews Too long and the message is not concise. It's too easy to go off on a tangent. Too terse and people see it as rude. Just right is a huge range too long for some , too short for others.
(DIR) Post #AStHctOWCJ9eRlGpyS by jeff@noxon.cc
2023-02-21T02:17:26Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews Something along those lines that got me recently:I replied to a toot that had no replies.Hours later, some sidekiq queues caught up and processed literally hundreds of similar replies.So even checking the toot to see if it had replies was misleading…
(DIR) Post #AStQtFOn3KD8ufGsIy by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T02:53:10Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews because we CAN'T F'ing SEE it is a reply.#mastodonsucksit is a stupid paradigm that third graders could improve!!!!!@gargron: stupid stupid stupid stupid!
(DIR) Post #AStQtGH1nfb1cseBqS by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T03:03:03Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews @Gargron Every instance has a dramatically different fedi feed. every single one!Mastodon has created thousands of distinctly separate realities.There must be one impartial, distinct reality. One universal fedi feed!(Not difficult. Easiest fix imaginable. but your wierdo German brain just can't wrap around it...)one central feed. One central hashtag dissemination. One thread that all instances share and feed
(DIR) Post #AStQtH7UebZ0FbC5ce by ada@blahaj.zone
2023-02-21T03:09:07.679Z
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@a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social @Gargron@mastodon.social Oh good god no. I do not want that in the slightest
(DIR) Post #AStQtHautD6DiqxaU4 by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T03:13:29Z
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@Gargron @ada @fediversenews @atomicpoet Understood. Post with #greenbeansareawesome and wait SEVENTEEN MONTHS to find that 400k people have been talking about this exact same thing for years but your instance couldnt see it...mastodon current paradigm is dumb...mastodon current paradigm is thousands of islands who never talk to each other and no one hears anything except by accident(not to diminish your current sense of community
(DIR) Post #AStQtHkUJckuCXREP2 by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T03:08:33Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews @Gargron keep everything you have built (lovely and wonderful) and add ONE THING! A single,common, central thread that all servers propagate.... a single way for everyone to see ONE single consistent thread. a single way for anyone to find everyone
(DIR) Post #AStQtIA0mjAjThNcBc by patrick@sea-mstdn.social
2023-02-21T03:28:35Z
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@a_greg_gator @Gargron @ada @fediversenews @atomicpoet since you don’t mince your words, I won’t either.What you’re suggesting is stupid. There is no “central thread”. There many, many threads. And even if there was, who would want to follow that barrage of messages? Also, think of what it would mean to replicate that thread between thousands and thousands of servers. Think of the bandwidth, storage and compute required. It would mean the death of small servers and a return to centralisation
(DIR) Post #AStQtIi2kCOVBFInEO by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T03:21:58Z
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@ada @Gargron @fediversenews @atomicpoet there needs to be a single central means of dissemination. waiting for tens of thousands of instances to "miraculously" find each other is sef defeating and just plain not smart.you {user} dont need to read the central feed...but every server needs to "see" something and decide for themself what to do with the information.... else every server keeps stumbling in the dark, thousands of islands
(DIR) Post #AStQtJ7ZDIoKSPFB0y by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T03:32:24Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews @Gargron @patrick @ada central feed of known hashtags would be a good start.currently , there is no means for any server to search or detect if any given hashtag exists....and it could take months for a server (instance) to find another case of a specific hashtag a diligent user is looking for...a central feed of known hashtags for instance
(DIR) Post #AStQtJYVb8MTnxqh0a by patrick@sea-mstdn.social
2023-02-21T03:34:26Z
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@a_greg_gator @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Gargron @ada again: centralisation. Who would own that central reference point? How do we know the owner doesn’t censor it? Or insert their own hashtags according to their convictions and beliefs?
(DIR) Post #AStQtK43hpbBNobtBY by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T03:37:39Z
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@patrick @fediversenews @atomicpoet @ada @Gargron My friend. (And i declare this because you actually care).not a central /command and control/ feed of information.there is currently no way for instances to "see" anything.I advocate creation of a new server thread that publishes anything and everything it can find so that individual instances can see them and choose what to do with them.
(DIR) Post #AStQtKfHTRNBFG1cCe by patrick@sea-mstdn.social
2023-02-21T03:31:33Z
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@a_greg_gator @Gargron @ada @fediversenews @atomicpoet to say nothing of time syncing, connecting replies to original messages and having those show up everywhere. You’re basically describing Twitter.
(DIR) Post #AStQtKkx8LuTWqg92m by patrick@sea-mstdn.social
2023-02-21T03:44:10Z
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@a_greg_gator @fediversenews @atomicpoet @ada @Gargron and I repeat that due to the sheer volume of such a thread, it would mean the death of small servers. And also: what would be on that thread? Everything? Every messages posted by every user on every server?
(DIR) Post #AStQtLHZB5zv9zwBsW by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T03:38:32Z
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@patrick @atomicpoet @fediversenews @ada @Gargron without a central clearing house, individual instances are shouting into the ether and getting silence in return
(DIR) Post #AStQtLZe5sSY44Od3g by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T04:01:44Z
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@atomicpoet @Gargron @ada @patrick @fediversenews nooo... that would be a mess. but a central clearing house where servers could query if anything exists would make universal access to known information in real time /would be a good thing/currently, mastodon instances are bumping around in the dark seeking any semblance of normalcythere is currently no central repository to query for shit people wanna kno
(DIR) Post #AStQtMF7bfdW8hnkhs by patrick@sea-mstdn.social
2023-02-21T04:22:02Z
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@a_greg_gator @atomicpoet @Gargron @ada @fediversenews also Greg: I don’t really understand why you would want such a thing? Does it matter that a hashtag already exists? They don’t cost anything. Create them, subscribe to them and toots will start streaming to you. Not all of them, but enough, certainly if you’re on a larger server
(DIR) Post #AStQtMr3Kdyg2LY2pU by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T04:25:00Z
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@atomicpoet @ada @Gargron @patrick @fediversenews something is missing in translation, i think.when a user types in a hastag, there is an assumption that a search will occur and return results that are known for that search term.currently in Mastodon that does not occur. The local instances returns what it already knows and does not search anywhere for anything.hence the search is moot.
(DIR) Post #AStQtNLtTyeDZzyftw by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T04:27:55Z
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@a_greg_gator @ada @Gargron @patrick @fediversenews Why not use a Fediverse service that isn’t Mastodon? Pleroma, Friendica, and Calckey have a wider array of search and hashtag options.
(DIR) Post #AStjNbUxFa4LJcmNSS by Esowes@mastodon.world
2023-02-21T07:34:22Z
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@atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth In the honestly awesome #Ivory app by #TapBors, there IS an indicator that a post is part of a thread…(See picture below) Mind you, it could be a bit more obvious, but once you know it’s there, it works.
(DIR) Post #AStjNc3hAPrH3N27bk by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-02-21T07:49:29Z
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@Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth Out of all the iOS apps in development, @MonaApp does the best job of indicating threads and replies. In your timeline it shows not only the reply but also the post being replied to, linked by a distinctive line between the avatars (like Twitter threads) that is very obvious. The showing of the post being replied to gives context that is otherwise absent until you tap through.
(DIR) Post #AStjNcafBqEIhcSRzk by Reno@fediverse.lol
2023-02-21T07:59:11Z
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@JonnyT @Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp does Mona not have a federated tab?
(DIR) Post #AStjNdcpLHYRucTh0S by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-02-21T07:51:36Z
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@Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp Toot @tootapp also has distinctive and obvious indicators for replies, threads, etc besides posts in your Timeline. Other apps have indicators but, like Ivory, they aren't as obvious.
(DIR) Post #AStjWUaKK6lETqWwpU by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-02-21T08:00:47Z
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@Reno @Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp It works differently to other apps. View your instance under the Communities tab and there's a Federated button at the bottom to toggle between your home instance and the wider Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #AStje3EZtf2FyCxhXk by Reno@fediverse.lol
2023-02-21T08:02:11Z
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@JonnyT @Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp ok I see, I though this was like the poopy official app for a second
(DIR) Post #AStjrXHJVLxaumfgsC by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-02-21T08:04:36Z
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@Reno @Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp It is too hidden for my liking. Discovery of other content/people is Mona's weak spot compared to other iOS apps I'm trying out. Otherwise it's one of the most impressive ones being worked on.
(DIR) Post #AStjvuPVRSXLofaYlc by Reno@fediverse.lol
2023-02-21T08:05:24Z
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@JonnyT @Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp I just downloaded it to have a look, @ivory is by far the best IMO
(DIR) Post #AStkHyzd5IH2Or0izw by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-02-21T08:09:21Z
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@Reno @Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp @ivory Ivory is OK but currently lacks too many Accessibility features for my liking. Aesthetically I also don't like it's icons (mainly the ones in Settings). But I also struggled with Tweetbot in this regard.Personally I'm liking Mona, Ice Cubes and (if it wasn't as buggy as it's last beta was) Mammoth a lot more than Ivory.
(DIR) Post #AStkdSxCsxmrP47b9M by zakiuem@mk.absturztau.be
2023-02-21T08:07:48.205Z
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@Reno@fediverse.lol @JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk @Esowes@mastodon.world @atomicpoet@mastodon.social @fediversenews@venera.social @Hey_Beth@sfba.social @MonaApp@mastodon.social @ivory@tapbots.social they're made by the same people behind Tweetbot. Twitter apocalypse is coming
(DIR) Post #AStkdTVwnnZn8oNLIe by Reno@fediverse.lol
2023-02-21T08:13:16Z
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@zakiuem @JonnyT @Esowes @atomicpoet @fediversenews @Hey_Beth @MonaApp @ivory but if means a quality UI then I’m fine with that lol, not like they can take my instance from me
(DIR) Post #AStkhjuBnppd8RkQjo by Balkingpoints@mastodon.online
2023-02-21T02:35:07Z
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"So maybe it would just be easier if there was some indicator in Mastodon that a message is part of a thread." @atomicpoet Although @Gargron is correct that the quote-tweet available on Twitter, can be used as a tool to antagonize, it is also very useful for reply or topic context. Would welcome it available on #Mastodon, perhaps with a rating system which could redact the quote part if a certain number of users think it was attached maliciously. #tech #TwitterMigration
(DIR) Post #AStkhkVlY7tD0zKRJA by JudeNunga@theblower.au
2023-02-21T03:59:49Z
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@Balkingpoints @atomicpoet @Gargron If people want quote toots, the option could be opt in. It would also be very important that the default be that posts can't be quoted unless express permission is given by the author of the post.I saw the nasty side of "quote-tweet", on twitter, and I don't trust those who want to bring it here.As for threads, that would actually be useful, to have an indicator that messages are part of a thread would be a good thing.
(DIR) Post #AStkhlEmqjtzGcOOTw by Balkingpoints@mastodon.online
2023-02-21T04:19:52Z
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@JudeNunga @atomicpoet @Gargron However opt-in permission would mostly nullify a quote tweet function, since most people stay with default settings. And it was a major enhancement for those who do not abuse it, when Twitter put it in about 10 years ago.Those concerned with abuse could opt out, or the platform could use a ratings system, or both - best solution IMO.
(DIR) Post #AStkhlnAmtPKzGTr4y by JudeNunga@theblower.au
2023-02-21T04:27:51Z
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@Balkingpoints @atomicpoet @Gargron No, opt in would require consent, and would be respectful of those who don't want their posts used in this way by other people without permission. If you wanted to quote someone, you could ask politely for them to opt in. I have seen far more abusive use of the quote function, than other uses. Why should people be forced to opt out? Opt in is far more respectful. You want it, you opt in, you don't want it, you go with the default.
(DIR) Post #AStkhmLuhjCGj0jbEG by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T04:30:23Z
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@JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron People always bring this up. My reply is always the same: if quoting is intrinsically abusive, why is this not a problem on services like Calckey, Akkoma, or Friendica?Why is it not a problem on @icecubesapp?
(DIR) Post #AStkhmv0bFGmTr9cvo by JudeNunga@theblower.au
2023-02-21T04:34:25Z
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@atomicpoet @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp I didn't say it was intrinsically abusive, just that is how I've seen it used the majority of the time on twitter. I also experienced it personally on twitter. Opt in is the respectful way of doing it on here, those that want it can use it, those who don't want it used against them, or use the function, don't need to turn it off.It's about consent, and respect.
(DIR) Post #AStkhnUSTRcsFnjwBc by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T04:40:52Z
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@JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp The cat is already out of the bag. I can quote you right now on @icecubesapp without your consent. I choose not to because you clearly don’t like it. But technically, there’s nothing stopping me from doing it.
(DIR) Post #AStkho0iXVQjrqphT6 by loskristianos@cupoftea.social
2023-02-21T08:11:26Z
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@atomicpoet @JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp True, but unless the person reading is also using @icecubesapp they don’t see a quote, all they see is a link to the post. Which is no different to just using the native share functionality (or ‘copy link to post’) which doesn’t require any consent (or at least implies consent as it is part of the existing core functionality of the service).
(DIR) Post #AStkhohFzLSRzmjfm4 by icecubesapp@mastodon.cloud
2023-02-21T08:14:01Z
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@loskristianos @atomicpoet @JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron Like in any other client or the web. You can take the link of a Toot and put it into your own Toot. The only thing Ice Cubes do is embedding those links so it can be easier to read.
(DIR) Post #ASwDVR91114YSf5XbU by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T08:16:32Z
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@loskristianos @JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron Not so. @icecubesapp isn't the only app the supports quoting. For a few apps, any time you copy the URL of a Mastodon post, it converts as an embed. Further, as I've said elsewhere, Friendica, Akkoma, and Calckey all support quoting. None of them require your permission for this to be done.
(DIR) Post #ASwDVRkEmcqYK6VGca by loskristianos@cupoftea.social
2023-02-21T08:25:15Z
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@atomicpoet @JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp@mastodon.cloud in which case including a link to any post becomes a “quote”. And so I don’t understand the argument against quoting, because it basically becomes “don’t ever link to any of my posts” because the reader someone is using might display the content as an embed, and not some sort of separate functionality able to be opted in/out of.
(DIR) Post #ASwDVSGqpMvzxFlJSK by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T08:31:54Z
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@loskristianos @JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp You’ll have to ask the people who don’t like it. They tend to think embedding is abusive.
(DIR) Post #ASwDVSr0evrFlOgBoe by JudeNunga@theblower.au
2023-02-21T09:40:27Z
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@atomicpoet @loskristianos @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp@mastodon.cloud Wow, you really are twisting things now. Embedding isn't "abusive" in itself, it's the people who use the function to abuse others. It was frequently used on twitter to do this.All this waffle over the technical stuff is not, and never was, the point, or the reason people dislike "quote-tweets". Why is it so difficult for people to just ask for consent? If this is possible. If you can't get consent, just don't do it.
(DIR) Post #ASwDVTNGizf7NRlx68 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T10:00:10Z
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@JudeNunga @loskristianos @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp So what you’re saying is that it’s not embedding or linking that’s abusive, but people who use it for abusive purposes. Or am I misinterpreting what you’re saying?
(DIR) Post #ASwDVTxQYYaNBagpSS by JudeNunga@theblower.au
2023-02-21T10:06:50Z
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@atomicpoet @loskristianos @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp@mastodon.cloud Yes that is what I'm saying, it's purpose is not to be used to abuse others, but that's what it is being used for. I also don't understand why simply asking for consent to quote is such a problem. Are some people so arrogant that they think they're entitled to do this?
(DIR) Post #ASwDVUSGhtFujF7SWu by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T10:15:45Z
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@JudeNunga @loskristianos @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp Because at some point, asking for consent becomes problematic for using the Internet. You didn’t ask my consent for commenting on my post. You just did. Should I get angry at you because you didn’t ask my consent?Comments can be just as abusive as quotes. In fact, they’re usually more abusive.
(DIR) Post #ASwDVV7kDgQsnsWaB6 by JudeNunga@theblower.au
2023-02-21T10:29:44Z
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@atomicpoet @loskristianos @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp@mastodon.cloud You know when I reply, you are notified, and you can mute or block me if you don't like my replies. Also you can not allow replies if you don't want them, you have control over this. Quotes are a different thing altogether. I don't get a notification if I'm quoted, and I have no way of stopping someone doing this. Perhaps this is something that can be changed? If you didn't want me to reply, and said this to me, I would respect your choice and not be an arsehole about it. I guess it comes down to the culture of the platform, and the people on the various instances.
(DIR) Post #ASwDzJahfBe7iqHnsm by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T04:05:46Z
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@a_greg_gator @Gargron @ada @patrick Every time someone tries to build a central repo like universal search it gets Fediblocked. For good reason. What you want is contrary to the aims of the Fediverse. @fediversenews@venera.so
(DIR) Post #ASwECcjPoJocqlhuV6 by r000t@ligma.pro
2023-02-22T12:53:23Z
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@a_greg_gator @atomicpoet @Gargron @ada @patrick @fediversenews It's here: https://stealthward.xyz/
(DIR) Post #ASwEuC5SEfKcxHn9LU by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-02-22T13:01:52.308527Z
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@atomicpoet @loskristianos @JudeNunga @Balkingpoints @Gargron @icecubesapp mastodong is a sad attempt at chad akkoma. Funky town for you cum bot
(DIR) Post #ASwFYbUvB787LfyMK0 by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T04:32:44Z
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@Gargron @patrick @atomicpoet @fediversenews @ada ummm... who on any planet would use multiple platforms to do what any sane person would assume is basic in the first place?(no condescension intended...)but what the hell? this is a basic assumption of any platform: If you offer search and hashtags, we ASSUME it actually searches for stuffs
(DIR) Post #ASwFYcIYCapRpbBzg8 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T04:37:09Z
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@a_greg_gator @Gargron @patrick @fediversenews @ada The Fediverse is the social network, not Mastodon. Mastodon is just one service that gives you access to the Fediverse. If Mastodon doesn’t have a feature you want, it’s time for you to try other services. This is how decentralization works. And you already do this with the web. You use Google for search, Spotify for music, Pornhub for porn.
(DIR) Post #ASwFYcpsChU3UwmbcO by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T04:44:57Z
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@atomicpoet @Gargron @fediversenews @patrick @ada thanks.basic expectations. basic functions.fediverse is a function (telephone, email, postal service) no one cares. the MEANS needs to be accountable. (AT&T gets sued for slamming, yahoo.com gets sued for spamming, Louis DeJoy is a disingenuine, corrupt, bad actor who has no place anywhere near public service)Users expect mastodon to do basic search functions. users are not baccalaureates...
(DIR) Post #ASwFYdHWXtbMshigiW by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T04:46:46Z
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@a_greg_gator @Gargron @fediversenews @patrick @ada Again, there seems to be an easy solution to your basic grievances: join another Fediverse service or build one. Mastodon is just one way to access the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #ASwFYdusBb4qqk873A by a_greg_gator@mas.greatlakes.club
2023-02-21T04:48:57Z
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@patrick @ada @Gargron @fediversenews @atomicpoet for any iteration of any public informationsystem:(and i cannot scream this any louder)GIVE EVERYONE ACCESS TO THE SAME INFORMATION AT THE SAME TIME!!!!!!!!!!!
(DIR) Post #ASwFYeiVD4mBKfLkPI by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-21T04:53:10Z
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@a_greg_gator @patrick @ada @fediversenews You have access. ActivityPub is an open protocol. @Gargron is building what he wants to make, and he’s providing it free and open source. He has his opinions, and he’s entitled to them. If you’re this opinionated, go build your own system. There’s nothing stopping you from building whatever you want to make. I mean, that’s exactly what I’m doing with #GreatApe too.
(DIR) Post #ASwFYfP2euntSbFiiG by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-02-22T13:09:10.172507Z
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@atomicpoet @a_greg_gator @patrick @ada @fediversenews @Gargron
(DIR) Post #ASwGqTgV4AmeHbTWsa by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-02-22T13:23:36.635409Z
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@atomicpoet @Balkingpoints @Gargron @JudeNunga @icecubesapp @loskristianos sorry guys funky town has failed multiple times maybe another day