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(DIR) Post #ASafvGThollU9GkfrM by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-02-12T03:20:51Z
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This article by @jbouie is really good, re dignity in how #trans issues are addressed in this country. I agree that one's lack of legal rights or mistreatment by government can have a psychological ripple effect. When these laws don't seem to have any justification in the public interest, the point does seem to be cruelty or cultural erasure. But I don't know what to say/do when I can understand the argument for the law, even though it could cause psychological distress.https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/opinion/trump-desantis-transgender-rights.html
(DIR) Post #ASahONm7rm2J8FoeLg by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T03:37:04Z
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@wjmaggos @jbouie "you can understand the reason for the law, even though it can cause psychological distress"?You mean, even though these laws will kill kids? Because we have the receipts. This has been studied. There is *no* debate in psychology or medicine anymore: preventing trans kids from transitioning kills a *huge* portion of them, and the number who desist are vanishingly small--of all kids who transition, 97.5% still ID as trans as adults, and virtually all of that 2.5% who desisted were extremely early transitioned and went back to their AGAB by the time they were 10--so, before any medical intervention. There's only one reason for those laws, and that reason *is to kill trans people*, friend. They even named one "The Millstone Act," after the Biblical method of execution by drowning. Genocide experts say their arguments are genocidal. Please stop both sidesing and listen to the experts.https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/150/2/e2021056082/186992/Gender-Identity-5-Years-After-Social-Transition?autologincheck=redirectedhttps://www.scstatehouse.gov/sess125_2023-2024/bills/3730.htmhttps://www.lemkininstitute.com/statements-new-page/statement-on-the-genocidal-nature-of-the-gender-critical-movement%E2%80%99s-ideology-and-practice
(DIR) Post #ASaikPZVy1dh1rz91M by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-02-12T03:52:31Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouielaws about transitioning seem mostly unnecessary. let the doctor and patient decide what's best. but I don't know what to do if parents and child disagree, or a family keeps switching doctors to find one that approves etc.I was more referring to laws about prisons, sports etc.
(DIR) Post #ASakJECMLSzjqQJur2 by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T04:09:56Z
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@wjmaggos @jbouie we have the receipts on all those too.Multiple studies have concluded that there is zero systemic advantage to trans athletes after a couple of years in transition. The entire sporting board of Canada has ruled that there's no justification for trans exclusion in sport. But regardless of *any* of that, William, the specter of women's sport was only ever raised to get people used to the idea of trans legal exclusion in the first place. It's all bullshit.As for prisons? Show me demonstrated harm.Show me.Because I'm guessing that you don't know that the hormones trans women take for transition causes radical upper body muscle atrophy, to the extent that we are weaker than cis women of similar stature, and that *trans women typically experience radical and permanent penile atrophy within the first year of HRT,* to the point that women who have such atrophy are not *physically capable* of penetrating anyone.It's. All. Bullshit.https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/four-myths-about-trans-athletes-debunked
(DIR) Post #ASakZkukTYwdwcxpD6 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-02-12T04:12:41Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouieis it mandatory that someone who wants to compete as the other sex or be housed in the other prison take hormones etc? should it be?
(DIR) Post #ASal5rSveai1WuGDlg by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-12T04:18:54.107588Z
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@wjmaggos @Impossible_PhD @jbouie > Multiple studies have concluded that there is zero systemic advantage to trans athletes after a couple of years in transition. bs, also kids who have no real semblance of the world are easily influenced most "trans" kids have lied to them self that they are
(DIR) Post #ASbMQDvdXiv5IFGFv6 by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T11:16:15Z
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@wjmaggos @jbouie For sports: generally, yes. There are a few sports, such as flat-track roller derby, which have no such requirement. I'm a big fan of flat-track roller derby. The last game I watched had several trans athletes on each team.The cis women dominated.BTW: what was the last women's sporting event you watched?For prisons: generally, yes. There are edge cases, as in everything--*and those cases are typically decided by court cases on humane treatment grounds*.Also, what *exactly* do you think will happen to the trans woman when she's put in a men's prison? This woman who has less muscle mass than a comparable cis woman? You're talking about legislating on fractions of fractions of a percent. To make sweeping legal cases which--as I've shown--will literally kill people, and you have yet to show any evidence of documented harm.It's pretty ridiculous for me to say, as a trans woman, "this will kill us," and for you, a cis man, to say "but what about sports?"
(DIR) Post #ASbOtwu5bbpr5Sq6F6 by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T11:17:20Z
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@dcc @jbouie @wjmaggos I showed my evidence. Where's yours?Or is it just your opinion?
(DIR) Post #ASbOtxS7Z53cn0lHHs by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-12T11:44:56.060251Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouie @wjmaggos and the study are bs but logical arguemnts matter to me more since studys change alot , as for my sources i dont have any studys on me but i can go find some if you really dont find my argument sufficient .What most study say (i should get links yes) the body's structure even after taking female hormones relly only change the muscle mass the bone density does not , also the fact that trans atheleats win more (the one that were already strong) also shows that males who transition to female can at the very least show that there is a difference. As well as the weird thing that most transgenders are male to female and not the other way around. As for the more people are trans becuase society, generally i think we can all say trans people are more "accepted" these days and that children are on the internet at increasingly young ages. What this means is that more kids are exposed to these concepts and as children are very moldable at a young age, it seems to be likely that they could in fact start making this idea up that they are trans. Also the fact more kids start saying they seems to be a trend. Extra point also some parents bassilcy forced the child to do this (look at the transhood hbo doc to see an example of this) Also i can personally say the trans kids i "know" all use the internet as a main component of their life. in the end it all i can say is i know this wont change your opinion but what ever lol always good to see a trans person who doesn't just block on first sight
(DIR) Post #ASbQrz7Uaw8pI1IdYe by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T11:59:36Z
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@dcc @jbouie @wjmaggos I mean, dude, I've gotta write the movie your avatar is from on this one."So... That's just, like, your opinion, man." Because I was being gentle on my sourcing before. To make it clear *just how unanimous* it is that transition is an unmitigated good, here's a 55-source bibliography on the effects of transition. Not even one study in there says what you claim: https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/Request: trans people are still people. Would you mind using "transgender" as an adjective, not a noun (so, a trans woman is like a tall woman or a blonde woman. Just different types of woman)? Calling us "transgenders" is a sneaky way that very nasty people try to dehumanize us. I'm certain that wasn't your intent, but I'd appreciate it, just as a bit of politeness, you know? As to parents forcing: that's what doctors and psychologists are there to watch for. If they think there's coercion, they refuse to treat. That's just standard of care.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #ASbQrzaCsB6sj4jZJY by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-12T12:06:59.358391Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouie @wjmaggos well then i must get some links, also most doctors and especially psychologists(not even md's) are not exactly "there for you" unless your a surgeon( the hospital system really reinforces this).
(DIR) Post #ASbQs0EcRvR6kPdqIy by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T12:06:19Z
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@dcc @jbouie @wjmaggos and if kids were so moldable, then why would you see the 97.5% statistic I cited earlier? And believe me, it's not easy being trans--you've got to fight and claw to be recognized. I want to offer a different explanation for what you're seeing. Back in the 1910s, people were strictly disciplined for being left-handed, and as a result the numbers were low. Eventually, the stigma fell apart, and the numbers of left-handed people grew exponentially--before stabilizing at about 12%.Consider this, in that light: we know for sure there are big biological components to being trans. During the lockdown, people reached out through social media to each other and talked anonymously about their feelings--and some of us found that the things we'd always felt weren't what cis people feel. Gen Z, especially, has discarded most LGBT stigma.What's more likely: a giant transing conspiracy, or the same thing that happened with left handedness?(2/2)
(DIR) Post #ASbRRCR94fxij8Helc by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-12T12:13:21.529866Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouie @wjmaggos the issue is that trans people are in a very low % of people witch is different that left handed people since that a much bigger group. Also the "Consider this, in that light...." is just another way of saying kids being convinced of something there not, it seems to me most trans people are trans becuase they experienced the internet (as i said before most trans "kids" i know are internet addicts)
(DIR) Post #ASbRl2umBeVazDbgie by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T12:10:33Z
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@dcc @jbouie @wjmaggos Okay.Peer reviewed, please! Every source I've provided has been supported by peer reviewed research, so if you're going to dispute them, it really needs to be evidence of the same strength.Also, I don't know what you meant by the tail end. My medical team, and especially my psychologist, has always been there for me. Have you, maybe, just had crappy luck with that?
(DIR) Post #ASbRl3NqRZlERNCu1o by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-12T12:16:56.660334Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouie @wjmaggos well that opinion is both based off what my father says about the non surgen type (he is a nero surgeon) Also based off how the medical system works both in public and "private" systems and how they pay doctors for what ( shit like kasier is the worst as they basilcy want you to keep coming back ex injections for your hip or baislcy not letting you get a mri)
(DIR) Post #ASbRzePDapavJhoHJY by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-12T12:19:35.408132Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouie @wjmaggos also i have to go to the bed its 4:17am kek, this was very interesting "debate" i will get you some links and shet as well so gn
(DIR) Post #ASbUIAg4XtGyWjeVKS by Impossible_PhD@tech.lgbt
2023-02-12T12:33:46Z
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@dcc @jbouie @wjmaggos > this was very interesting "debate"When you post stuff like that, it suggests pretty strongly to me that you're not arguing in good faith.I'm doing my best here. I've supplied an avalanche of hard data, backed by HUGE swaths of research. You've offered nothing but presupposition and assumption and a "my dad" claim that's both out of lane and, more importantly, totally unverifiable. Anyone could claim stuff like that without it being vaguely true. Not saying you're lying, but you get my point, right?Sorry, but until and unless you put something up that's not the equivalent of "some guy in a bar told me," I'm not spending any further effort on this.
(DIR) Post #ASbUIBFWQ5d4IgEoaG by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-12T12:45:20.499883Z
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@Impossible_PhD @jbouie lol fair enough im not arguing of of bad faith just tiredness and my lack of great typing a lot of shit at once (shits hard man) My real point here is that studys dont paint a clear pitcture, "BUT YOU NEED STUDYS" most things are not studdable i think the human mind is extra hard to study. But what we can see is a pattern of behavior, more people on the internet "sharing there experiences" goes viral lets at keats soemthing, old people use the internet to. I dont think you can logically say that a group expanded a big number but its not becuase more impressionable people are joining. also a finally gn becuase i really do need to go to bed
(DIR) Post #ASslK4F8RQ2M3erT2O by rootbsd@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-20T20:45:41.206590Z
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@dccDem when you write walls of text like this, break up the paragraphs. It makes it much easier to read.
(DIR) Post #ASslPndB7NCiH1qBIe by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-20T20:46:44.813999Z
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@rootbsd i did add , and . sir
(DIR) Post #ASslWRVdlPyfgxTyka by rootbsd@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-20T20:47:56.086499Z
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@dcc It doesn't make a different, its just a wall of texts and no one will read it lol, breaking it into paragraphs is much more effective.
(DIR) Post #ASslZF7uG8Ne9jiTui by dcc@pp.dembased.xyz
2023-02-20T20:48:26.977558Z
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@rootbsd reddit spacing? lol