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(DIR) Post #ASsOtxtXDwXtqduFkm by w7voa@journa.host
2023-02-20T14:05:56Z
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#Spoutible CEO confirms suspension of dozens of accounts.
(DIR) Post #ASsPHnjidytbICgHeS by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T16:39:19Z
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@w7voa I am feeling increasingly uncomfortable with what I'm seeing with Spoutible. A recipe for disaster and drama is leaving the definition of "harassing" is left up to a single person who is thin-skinned about criticism.Also, Spoutible enthusiasts are embracing odd contradictions: like this: "We are the new Twitter we just need more people!"
(DIR) Post #ASsPktyIXaSl1pNOpk by franktaber@mas.to
2023-02-20T16:44:32Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa Exactly right. And it is a perfect reminder that even when someone claims to be and feels they are an ally of communities they are not a part of, they will not truly understand that community's values and perspectives. That is completely expected and normal but that is also why the Mastodon approach of each instance setting its own policies is the right way to go, because communities can decide for themselves.
(DIR) Post #ASsQDRdwwXtBZHT8r2 by LorrieW@mstdn.social
2023-02-20T16:49:41Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa I was warned about him (Chris Bouzy) and also his site. Internet search is a beautiful thing. So glad I didn't join.
(DIR) Post #ASsQIAp4uPt0qdvfNY by peterbutler@mas.to
2023-02-20T16:50:33Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa Yep. Governance, governance, governance. Putting your eggs in any one person’s basket doesn’t make sense anymore.
(DIR) Post #ASsR57P8PJTgR48Inw by seattlekim@mastodon.social
2023-02-20T16:59:24Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa and now pretty much every post on Spoutible is about the policy and related issues. That's not engaging or interesting.
(DIR) Post #ASsRIhlaWbjwyX77hY by Orla1@mstdn.party
2023-02-20T17:01:52Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa Went to Twitter after reading this, and he’s getting pretty testy on there.
(DIR) Post #ASsRfzw98OBXzR9wdU by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T17:06:05Z
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@Orla1 @w7voa For whatever it's worth, some of the larger Twitter accounts going to Spoutible are people I've had muted for years because they spread what I call rage inducing simplifications.I am afraid it's shaping up to be another Counter Social + echo chamber.
(DIR) Post #ASsSYUz9udKzvHYYxE by Orla1@mstdn.party
2023-02-20T17:15:56Z
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@Teri_Kanefield You’re probably right. After he became more well known during the midterms, it seemed that notability went to his head and blinded him from seeing that creating replacement for Twitter is not an easy task. Especially since a few established alternatives already existed.
(DIR) Post #ASsTADNno4FUKl4Fxg by luckysitsinback@mstdn.social
2023-02-20T17:22:43Z
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@Teri_Kanefield babes aren't born potty-trained ... but they get there.
(DIR) Post #ASsUFUHeUsfG9XGjxI by researchbuzz@researchbuzz.masto.host
2023-02-20T17:34:53Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa Just this. Which is why I'm here and not there.
(DIR) Post #ASsUNurVYzVctu3kJc by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T17:36:26Z
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@Orla1 His following shot up after the midterms, and I think he was looking for how to leverage his following. Before the launch he indicated that he thought Spoutible would have a million followers fairly quickly.He seemed to think he'd move his 400K followers to his new site, and then others would follow.The problem is that copycats and spinoffs are never the Next Big Thing.
(DIR) Post #ASsZGR2gX8w89zXViq by piratero@mastodon.world
2023-02-20T18:31:04Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa maybe you’ll spend more t8me here, then. You just need to put up wi my sexual innuendo. :dancingpenguin:
(DIR) Post #ASsblinKmRRk6UPCUq by Pjobphd@scicomm.xyz
2023-02-20T18:59:07Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa was that really your takeaway? Thin skinned?How is #Spoutible moderation different from that on any #Fediverse server? I've seen lots of kvetching about tone policing and even calls for server #defederation over content here...
(DIR) Post #ASspkEq44LUWGWryVs by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T21:35:46Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @w7voa A recipe for disaster and drama is leaving the definition of "harassing" up to a single person who is thin-skinned about criticism.Disappointing response, Teri. You’re entitled to this opinion, clearly. But it doesn’t sound very empathetic or understanding of others. Who else but a person—whether they be woman, lgbtq, Black, autistic, disabled, Brown, or AAPI has the lived experience to say, “I’m feeling attacked & harassed”? Why should a board of (frequently white cis-gendered, privileged) people be the only ones to decide *for them* if they’re being harassed, as was the case on Twitter?
(DIR) Post #ASss6NzwtYHkx6BJOy by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T21:40:55Z
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@franktaber @Teri_Kanefield @w7voa Yes, let’s put all the marginalized into a space and not interact with them, lest we never have to deal with our own biases and privileges. /sAlso, it’s not working so great, if several instances have lost admins, are breaking up, etc is any indication. But go off about how this is so perfect…for people just like you.
(DIR) Post #ASss6OXGtewMcRlvLE by franktaber@mas.to
2023-02-20T21:47:11Z
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@just_alex @Teri_Kanefield @w7voa Interesting use of sarcasm, but that's fine, I'll engage while I have energy to.We have seen no centralized system can possibly reflect the diversity of views that exist in the world. 8 billion people = 8 billion viewpoints. Some will overlap. Many won't.Whether Mastodon instances are run by volunteers is a separate question from moderation because it is inevitable that some volunteers will give up, sometimes for petty reasons like with .au.
(DIR) Post #ASss6P1l4JKK902GrQ by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T21:52:38Z
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@franktaber @Teri_Kanefield Oh, don’t do me any favors, of depleting your precious energy.This site is filled w/complaints by marginalized groups. You don’t see them, because you choose not to. Someone created a solution for that. Instead of just saying “not my thing,” privileged people (you know who you are) are trashing it as unworkable and calling the marginalized “thin skinned.” That’s gross. Shame on you both of you. I followed Teri for years on Twitter w/No account. She’s not at all who I thought she was.
(DIR) Post #ASss6PTlOBjDXr8dVo by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:02:11Z
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@just_alex Hi, Alex, I think you may have misunderstood Frank's comment.He was referring to the Courtney Milan / Christopher Bouzy tiff on Spoutible and commenting on the problem with centralized ownership. Meanwhile, I'll ask you to delete your comment because you seem to be calling people 'privileged' without knowing much about them.Thanks. (I untagged Frank so this goes only to you)
(DIR) Post #ASssx1IY1WyptgyjuS by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T22:11:40Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I followed your timeline for years on Twitter Teri. I know you volunteered with asylum seekers. I know about your spouse. I know about your legal work. Which is admirable. I wouldn’t have followed your timeline if I didn’t admire you. But you called people seeking a different social media experience thin-skinned. Shame on you. …and no this isn’t a private msg. if that’s what you were going for.
(DIR) Post #ASssxVK0OfyJ0ttKLY by DroidEngineer@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T22:11:42Z
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@Teri_Kanefield @Orla1 @w7voa I like this term "Rage Inducing Simplifications." We live in a complex world where sometimes to make sense of it we have to eliminate irrelevant aspects to wrap our heads around the thing we're trying to understand. In this process, we often create an oversimplification of what we are studying, and that's fine. We do this all the time in science.The problem here, that "rage inducing simplifications" so well describes, is that people will eliminate *relevant* complexities in such a way that their assertions are no longer correct or true. When this is the case, it presents a sort of false dilemma that is a fallacy, at best. At worst, it's a bad faith argument, disingenuous and intentional chicanery.I enjoy reading your articles and essays. Have you written about this "rage inducing simplification" elsewhere?
(DIR) Post #ASstJaafULjhj1DSsq by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:15:47Z
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@just_alex Go look at Bouzy's reaction to Courtney Milan's suggestions.He attacked her, including bringing up her previous experiences being harassed sexually.Yes, he is thin skinned and attacked someone who is actually in a more vulnerable category than he is.One more chance: Delete and back pedal or I will block.
(DIR) Post #ASstTnBjVMuLgzPzOq by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:17:37Z
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@just_alex He also blocked a friend of mine, a woman and professor last years, because she told him he was wrong about something to do with how Congress operates.The breakdown between Courtney Milan and Chris Bouzy happened because he cannot tolerate criticism.If that opinion bothers you, you should actually block me.
(DIR) Post #ASstYQRbUh8KbK3DU0 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:18:28Z
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@just_alex Out of respect for you, and to make sure there none of my followers pile on you, I will delete my comments after you see them.
(DIR) Post #ASstvXDIUa9YFvNWdM by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T22:22:37Z
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@Teri_Kanefield What…?! No! I have no idea what you’re talking about or any of Bouzy’s disagreements w/people. That’s none of my business, and I’d like to leave it that way. You’re entitled to your opinion on anything or anyone. This has nothing to do with Bouzy. This is about you saying this:“A recipe for disaster and drama is leaving the definition of "harassing" up to a single person who is thin-skinned about criticism.”Which I took as your criticizing marginalized people for seeking a space where they can block people as they see fit. Is my assessment of your words inaccurate?
(DIR) Post #ASsuJk9e1s6DLGDIpc by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:27:01Z
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@just_alex What I am saying is that you stepped into a conversation that you didn't understand.The original post was about Bouzy admitting that he has suspended 40 accounts.Bouzy admitted this as part of his fall out with Courtney Milan.Frank, who you wrongfully attacked, said this is the problem with centralized ownership of a site.Courtney was explaining that the TOS give too much discretion to Bouzy to block anyone he wants to block, and he is doing so indiscriminately.
(DIR) Post #ASsuZpuEPglRoSg5Me by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T22:29:55Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Teri, I asked you a direct question, and I’ve tried to be polite here. My issue isn’t Bouzy. I haven’t tried to defend him to you and said you’re entitled to your opinion. But you’re making my issue Bouzy & it isn’t about him. This is about you & me. Are you calling marginalized people thin-skinned? Yes or no?
(DIR) Post #ASsuc6ZBROhw40uldI by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:30:20Z
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@just_alex Here is the start: https://law-and-politics.online/@just_alex@universeodon.com/109899281775518062If you go look at Twitter, you can see that Bouzy posted his announcement in response to the fallout with Courtney Milan.So yes, you stepped into a conversation that you didn't understand and you did some name calling.But no worries.You don't even have to apologize. These things happen.Just delete your post calling people 'privileged' I'll delete mine, and I have no bad feelings.
(DIR) Post #ASsuheIPSlgm7biEFM by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:31:19Z
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@just_alex Of course not.I am calling Bouzy thin skinned for the way he reacts when people criticize himIf you go back and read, and then trace the original comment back to Twitter, you'll see how you misunderstood everything.Also, I have writing deadlines, so you can thank me for putting in this time to help you see what happened.
(DIR) Post #ASsuxYUumxYWlv98d6 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:34:13Z
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@just_alex You should be able to scroll up, but here is a screenshot. I was uncomfortable with a thin-skinned person who is uncomfortable with criticism in charge of a platform. That would be Bouzy.Scroll up. Read. Then go back to Twitter to see the source.'You're welcome.
(DIR) Post #ASsuyf5Rm9BNUulH0q by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T22:34:23Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Teri, I just checked. You don’t have an account on Spoutible. So how are you an expert on something you aren’t seeing & experiencing yourself? Why are you going on ad nauseum about Bouzy? When Im trying to talk to you about your comments? This is frustrating and disappointing. You don’t seem to be the person I thought you were at all. Sorry I bothered to think you’d be open here. I didn’t post to get all these rants about some personal beef w/Chris Bouzy.
(DIR) Post #ASsvkeRdSxclPF1V8C by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T22:43:04Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Ms Kanefield. Deal w/your deadlines, ma’am. It’s ironic your offended I used the word “privileged” as you proceed to dictate to, and order around a Black woman, that used to admire you and your work. I unfollowed you. Goodbye.
(DIR) Post #ASsvuAokTSgEPmNI4O by just_alex@universeodon.com
2023-02-20T22:44:48Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I thought you had a deadline. This seems a great deal of effort you could have saved for that deadline. Smh.
(DIR) Post #ASswGhqqKtQdEp6Bmq by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-20T22:48:52Z
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@just_alex I was trying to reach you and get you to stop calling people names.Maybe I should give up, go back and delete, and block you?At this point, I would require an apology because you have been exceedingly rude. I do understand that you misunderstood the conversation, but you were still rude and should apologize.Just so I know I'm dealing with a decent person.