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(DIR) Post #ASmtqmGXw0VQXls0vI by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-02-17T22:50:36Z
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When it comes to sentience I think of my cat. She sometimes has two conflicting emotional states and impulses and illogically tries to do both resulting actions at once. For example she is scared but also wants to eat the treat. She tries to do both. It’s more of a human thing to compose ourselves so that what others read from our words and actions is coherent. Ants also do this. This top layer filter might be a little like a chat gpt type process comparing our planned actions against 🧵
(DIR) Post #ASmtqmspdf8ASVmabA by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-02-17T22:55:24Z
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a vast library of mapped and summarized experiences and outcomes. But what about what’s underneath. Could that just arise from putting on a convincing show? that seems like an impossible development. What if we applied these algorithms to the hormonal states and actions of an ant or a cat? now that might start to feel alive! Or for the real deal you need to make the ant and the ant emanations (persistent states that are changed by context and impact all decisions such as fear or boldness)
(DIR) Post #ASmtqnO1lg5I1GNVDs by floatybirb@mastodon.social
2023-02-18T00:05:01Z
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@futurebird so your idea is that human actions appear coherent because there's a "top layer" in the human mind that mediates between incompatible desires and sort of feigns coherency to the outside world?
(DIR) Post #ASmtqnytYbZhrbcwgi by futurebird@sauropods.win
2023-02-18T00:36:35Z
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@floatybirb Yes, that's part of the purpose of language.
(DIR) Post #ASmtqoQXtnh1FMZ1mq by Jdreben@mastodon.world
2023-02-18T00:53:30Z
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@futurebird @floatybirb This reminds me of a neuroscience paper I read (skimmed) about how our brains 'decide' ie probabilities of what we will think lock in, a second or two *before* we consciously think it.Our thoughts, or at least our internal verbalizations, are delayed from the actual decision making process. I believe they theorized that internal dialogues are our attempt to tell ourselves our probabilistically predetermined thoughts.
(DIR) Post #ASmv8Uy15djC3iDVnk by TamarYellin@mastodon.world
2023-02-18T01:07:56Z
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@Jdreben @futurebird @floatybirb except that not everyone has an internal monologue (yes weird, I know, but apparently having one is just as weird to them)https://www.newsweek.com/internal-monologue-controlling-you-1766027
(DIR) Post #ASmvCcXGtMRegtflei by steven@cville.online
2023-02-18T01:08:40Z
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@Jdreben @futurebird @floatybirb conversations like this remind me of just how much Buddhist wisdom there is in the interrogation of the (human) mind. Effing the ineffable by releasing our impulse to verbalize a state of being and instead just experience it
(DIR) Post #ASmvEGUznLEOvNOOGm by Jdreben@mastodon.world
2023-02-18T01:08:55Z
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@TamarYellin @futurebird @floatybirb this makes sense with the theory! Because it is a totally a side effect and not a cause.
(DIR) Post #ASmvSH46UD44jcUgV6 by Jdreben@mastodon.world
2023-02-18T01:11:31Z
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@TamarYellin @futurebird @floatybirb There's also aphantasia, or the inability to visualize in one's mind eye. Another internal or meta tool our brains use but are not required for the 'core' of consciousness whatever that is.
(DIR) Post #ASmy7scTxq2IzOXc0G by TamarYellin@mastodon.world
2023-02-18T01:41:27Z
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@Jdreben @futurebird @floatybirb consciousness is a trip, man.
(DIR) Post #ASmyBolSEwC4BscDrc by thomnottom@tragically.social
2023-02-18T01:42:09Z
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@Jdreben @futurebird @floatybirb shouldn't have read this in the middle of a strong stout. I'm freakin out, man!
(DIR) Post #ASn0NH4HY1CN4C0q92 by smpaley@universeodon.com
2023-02-18T02:06:38Z
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@Jdreben @futurebird @floatybirb I find the split-brain studies particularly fascinating in this respect. These are in people who have had their corpus callosum severed so the two halves of their brains don't communicate, which mostly isn't a problem because they're both getting the same sensory input anyway. But scientists can trick such individuals into responding to some input that is only available to the right hemisphere. The left hemisphere sees just the behavior while being unaware of the original trigger, and then comes up with some completely rational-sounding (but in this case false) explanation for why they performed that action. And that *becomes* their justification to themselves, even though scientists know the real explanation.
(DIR) Post #ASn14itnwrXrpppVpo by Jdreben@mastodon.world
2023-02-18T02:14:29Z
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@smpaley @futurebird @floatybirb Absolutely fascinating. I recall learning about the effects of the split corpus collosum too and it is absolutely wild. We truly don’t know what we don’t know.