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(DIR) Post #ASmjSyo4epw6wkZAS8 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-17T22:56:49Z
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The bundling video streaming services are rapidly becoming indistinguishable from the cable services' behaviors that inspired so-called "cord cutters" cancelling cable TV services in preference for Internet-only services. Prices keep going up as they include more and more "niche" channels with small viewerships, that nobody would pay for if they weren't forced to as the price of receiving the channels that they actually want to see. This often includes forcing sports channels on people who loathe sports channels.
(DIR) Post #ASmjjyr1jYZC183PO4 by arvrrob@twit.social
2023-02-17T22:59:53Z
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@lauren Or Fox News, Newsmax, and OAN on people that think. š
(DIR) Post #ASmjnxe8AQ0vQev64u by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-17T23:00:43Z
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@arvrrob FOX News is not the same as the others. As the #1 cable service by far, it would be impossible to operate without including it.
(DIR) Post #ASmjxDbqBbF7XmGNCS by arvrrob@twit.social
2023-02-17T23:01:47Z
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@lauren "News" š
(DIR) Post #ASmkZJHdXQXa96yadU by PhoneBoy@noagendasocial.com
2023-02-17T23:09:33Z
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@lauren We went from 13 to 13 million channels of shit on the TV to choose from. The only winning move is not to play.
(DIR) Post #ASmnJzqbom9dNwiwIS by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-02-17T23:40:23Z
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@lauren Industry likes bundles, consumers want a la carte.
(DIR) Post #ASmqlmM5sIdNVjOEUK by MdPoppa@nerdculture.de
2023-02-18T00:18:39Z
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@lauren @arvrrob it should be optional tho. Cable pays content providers, right? Is there some kinda guarantee or floor typically?I have pretty minimal FiOS TV pkg. It only auto includes Fox. I can choose 5 custom channels, incl CNN, MSNBC, etc. But I can't not-choose Fox.So 'biggest'? hmph
(DIR) Post #ASmqsrAEOWzWS4DSRk by MdPoppa@nerdculture.de
2023-02-18T00:19:56Z
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@lauren example of such 'bundling video streaming services'? Like Hulu maybe? Cause of all streamers we have, that's the only one that I think of as a bundler
(DIR) Post #ASmqujkOwMqi1q1yvg by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-18T00:20:25Z
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@MdPoppa @arvrrob Usually the systems have to pay based on number of subs on the total system. So whether or not you watch is immaterial (and, well, optional).
(DIR) Post #ASmqzIfZ2k8LUmwcBE by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-18T00:21:07Z
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@MdPoppa Sling, YouTube TV, etc.
(DIR) Post #ASmr8p0CCTCkNd8QFc by meuon@fosstodon.org
2023-02-18T00:22:49Z
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@lauren I want to be legal. I want to reward good content creators so they make more of what I like. But they also keep make being a "pirate" more tempting. I have the skills, the tech and the bandwidth. I hear the wind in the sails of the ship saying come sail with me.
(DIR) Post #ASmrXBeTdmdpZpaug4 by MdPoppa@nerdculture.de
2023-02-18T00:27:14Z
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@lauren @arvrrob right? So the more subs (subscribers?) the cable co has, the more they have to pay the content provider?So forcing it in a pkg increases their costs?!Or I'm misunderstanding
(DIR) Post #ASmrgzfD4EUTIAc5EO by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-18T00:29:03Z
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@MdPoppa @arvrrob In the case of FOX News there's no choice. It has a larger audience than anything else on cable last time I looked. Cut it off, and you lose some dramatic percentage of your subs. And to get it, you usually also have to take other channels. This is typical for non-FOX providers also.
(DIR) Post #ASmsV1IRGrQippohP6 by MdPoppa@nerdculture.de
2023-02-18T00:38:03Z
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@lauren @arvrrob Understood. But sayin', in my situation/pkg, if Vz is gonna allow folk to pick 5 channels, why force Fox? Ofc could just be Vz playing fabs, or having investments, or it's contractual...But it annoys me š
(DIR) Post #ASmswAc8jgCLYIyhGq by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-18T00:42:57Z
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@MdPoppa @arvrrob FOX News is the most popular channel. That's why it's there.
(DIR) Post #ASmsy5pNVEUlHp5RvU by matt_panaro@octodon.social
2023-02-18T00:43:08Z
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@lauren computational devices themselves are rapidly becoming indistinguishable from integrated screens + set-top-boxes, soā¦ looks like a generalized trend š
(DIR) Post #ASn8UmkUxMYwz2qqS8 by bici@mastodon.social
2023-02-18T03:37:17Z
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@lauren i am ready to cut all cable TV services. we are up to $200 PER MONTH!!!!
(DIR) Post #ASn8WV3dherCh6cd0K by alcinnz@floss.social
2023-02-18T03:37:25Z
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@lauren I'm happy to pay to pay for individual shows, but I want DRM-free downloads! If these "streaming services" don't want to give me that, I'll see what other options are out there.So far I'm loving most of what I'm finding!
(DIR) Post #ASn9FuPyGGLONXii8G by pgv@omglol.fun
2023-02-18T03:46:09.978308Z
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@PhoneBoyCutting the cord was possible a few years ago, it was an arbitrage opportunity. The entertainment conglomerates effectively closed that opportunity off now. @lauren
(DIR) Post #ASn9s9z2pwCrevMhTk by ecschwarz@mastodon.social
2023-02-18T03:52:42Z
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@lauren I sort of wonder what the HBO Max/Discovery+ tie-up is going to lead to (pricing on the combined replacement, for example). I have no interest in D+ content, yet Iāll probably be stuck with it because I want the HBO Max content.
(DIR) Post #ASnBixiVH6MkusMzvE by gcc@mastodon.cloud
2023-02-18T04:13:26Z
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@lauren are you referring to the Disney+ and ESPN bundle or something else?
(DIR) Post #ASnBotl2uJ3iNKODya by whophd@ioc.exchange
2023-02-18T04:14:32Z
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@lauren @alaric My reaction, to the industry:- donāt reward it, when you can- watch 1-2 episodes of a series at a time- or two series (like main course + dessert)- at the end of each series, cancel the sub immediately- let it expire, and pick a replacement show, and sign up- when possible, make these shows a DVD box set instead(until 2020, I was sitting on a LOT of unwatched box sets)(and to be honest, I had a mental to-do list of streaming shows)Donāt give irrational loyalty. Companies are very rationally loyal to you.
(DIR) Post #ASnDDSCYb7Rs6YWxqS by janakj@mastodon.social
2023-02-18T04:30:09Z
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@lauren Unfortunately, the economics and demand models force themselves in that direction. The vMVPDs have a huge chunk of subscribers who subscribe for sports, and the carriage deals are all or none. Blowing that up will take reworking sports compensation broadly, and while itās starting to happen, will take years to shake out. Arguably, the next generation that never grew up on cable will be what ultimately forces it.
(DIR) Post #ASnGUEUf7HzeNLgwUq by chartier@toot.cafe
2023-02-18T05:06:36Z
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@lauren @timbray One major upgrade of our current system, which I doubt will go anywhere, is that it is *worlds* easier to cancel and restart streaming plans on a whim. No phone calls, no ācustomer rententionā garbage (dishonorable mention: NYT), no waiting on hold. Just *tap.*
(DIR) Post #ASnVgUS76e62etnoFk by Puffy@phpc.social
2023-02-18T07:56:48Z
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@lauren @MdPoppa @arvrrob except your whole argument was around having to pay for channels you don't want, and you specifically cited sports, which, you know, tend to be pretty popular too. So I guess I'm wondering why you think people should have to put up with a right wing misinformation channel they don't want but you draw the line at channels of people playing games?
(DIR) Post #ASnWGSlMrgWbqNxfrk by jason@logoff.website
2023-02-18T08:03:37Z
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@lauren @timbray yup, I never signed up for cable out of college. Swore Iād have OTA plus a la carte shows. Streaming-only made that impossible.15 years on Iām just fucking stealing everything. Fuck these people. They donāt want my money to make art. They want my money to find ways to destroy art and get tax write-offs for it. Iām done, and I think itās in the air this year, a lot of others are too.
(DIR) Post #ASoHsfhrsw6kpz2toe by travis@xinsto.xyz
2023-02-18T16:57:03Z
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@lauren Old habits die hard and the old dinosaurs running the networks decided they needed a piece of the pie. Itās no wonder media piracy is back on the rise. Iām just waiting for the execs to start saying āWe donāt understand why people are pirating!ā
(DIR) Post #ASow2H1iUm1bMASm6C by waldo@ohai.social
2023-02-19T00:27:02Z
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@lauren @MdPoppa @arvrrob political content should be on separate paid tier same as sports. Fox is 100% political content.All subscribers should not be forced to subsidize political talk or sports leagues. Or religious content for that matter.
(DIR) Post #ASoyMjrTCKvAUBYZAe by JohnGritt@freespeechextremist.com
2023-02-19T00:53:35.122780Z
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@bici @lauren People who watch TV fail to see how brainwashed they are by (((them))).