Post ASlu1RE8Iq0FJtrgDA by trebach@masto.ai
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(DIR) Post #ASlr010Y02jdqo8km8 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:46:44Z
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God FUCKING DAMNIT!Welcome to the fucking #Netherlands. I woke up with this letter, a bill for €1115 for the dendistFrom 2 years ago(!!) I never got any bill for this and not it went from €170 to €1100 😠 Seriously I am sooo fucking mad right now. Sometimes I HATE this damn country Good moin btw
(DIR) Post #ASlrDKthMW3FIlHwmG by kcarruthers@mastodon.social
2023-02-17T12:49:10Z
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@stux 😲😵💫
(DIR) Post #ASlrFFipZh49pW7RrM by ConserveLetters@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:49:34Z
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@stux I'm sorry to hear that man - but hey it could be worse... you could live in the US!
(DIR) Post #ASlrGbFf0vdytN7L3Q by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:49:40Z
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I'm refsuing to pay this shit.. I'm gonna throw a brick trhough their windows..
(DIR) Post #ASlrIXKQZSl7IuGq92 by mingo@oldbytes.space
2023-02-17T12:50:08Z
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@stux rente op schulden zou verboden moeten worden.
(DIR) Post #ASlrKefCGqD6dFzmCm by MagicLike@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:50:34Z
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@stux WTF how does the health care system work in the NL that something like this can happen?????
(DIR) Post #ASlrNBgiSPiDdQuhs0 by kcsorenby@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:51:01Z
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@stux 🫣👀
(DIR) Post #ASlrOhp8SkIfalZl2m by oliphaunt@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:51:18Z
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@stux may I suggest talking to a lawyer instead? (Do you have insurance / rechtsbijstandsverzekering?)
(DIR) Post #ASlrRN30AIQq1YKf44 by paulkater@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:51:46Z
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@stux Allejezus wat een bedrag!! Heb je 25 gouden kronen??
(DIR) Post #ASlrU7wAnhZi1tS7f6 by patrick@sea-mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:52:14Z
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@stux don’t, instead go talk to them. I’m sure you could work something out given the fact that you never got the original bill.
(DIR) Post #ASlrVmcv0INEW0EhRw by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:52:32Z
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@paulkater Helemaal niets :amaze: Ik had pijn en ze heeft gekeken en thats it..
(DIR) Post #ASlrXscNhPBhfyz6f2 by benfrog@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:52:57Z
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@stux You're not going to get sympathy from anybody in the US. I pay $800 a month out-of-pocket (a very good deal, compared to other states) and my prescriptions (all generic) just cost me $250. (Best price I could get with any plan).
(DIR) Post #ASlroXz7fMAYbeZM1Y by iamisaactorres@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:55:58Z
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@stux this is how it is in the US every day. It’s the worst isn’t it?
(DIR) Post #ASlrrlC70fnmRZB2Om by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:56:25Z
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@JesseKlaver Hier moet wat aan gedaan worden in Nederland..Schuld op schuld op schuld, dit is echt waar de ondergang van zoveel mensen :angry_laugh: Dit is geen systeem maar crimineel
(DIR) Post #ASlrt4vz6RclxIGJe4 by Derekhardwick@hachyderm.io
2023-02-17T12:56:45Z
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@stux als dit via een deurwaarder / incassobureau komt, zeker zeggen dat je niet mee ens bent met de *originele* factuur, en dat je in gesprek gaat met de tandarts. Als ze dat horen, kunnen ze feitelijk niets, want ze zijn geen bemiddelaars. Contact opnemen met een specialist, voor 1000+ euro is het de moeite waard.
(DIR) Post #ASlrvTU8nIswg5NgQq by nozze@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T12:57:11Z
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@stux madderflippers!!
(DIR) Post #ASlrz9y9IQMXJBArrM by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T12:57:47Z
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@Derekhardwick Inderdaad! Ik heb alleen de originele factuur nooit gezien anders had ik die wel betaald :sad_cat:
(DIR) Post #ASls1tJbfgwYWfVtGi by goldeee13@mas.to
2023-02-17T12:58:21Z
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@stux It happens here in the US too. Call and dispute it. Don’t ignore it
(DIR) Post #ASlsDZRRO3OkMckMzo by SusanHR@mas.to
2023-02-17T13:00:28Z
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@stux Except the dentist here would START at 1000
(DIR) Post #ASlsMYp73SIF3L6diy by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:02:04Z
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@SusanHR I pay insurance for that 😉
(DIR) Post #ASlsVEH0pQgbvNI0GW by Derekhardwick@hachyderm.io
2023-02-17T13:02:19Z
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@MagicLike @stux it’s not the healthcare system*, it’s the debt collection system. The bill wasn’t paid (maybe never sent or something), and so went to collections. Those guys are sharks.* For adults in NL, the default basic insurance doesn’t cover cleanings, and has limited coverage of dental work. Many people pay a bit extra for insurance that covers more.
(DIR) Post #ASlsVEv4QUjFvc1zhg by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:03:38Z
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@Derekhardwick @MagicLike Exactly.. The first row on top is from the denist, all other under it is from the debt collectors
(DIR) Post #ASlsYlpeVxWMsEBGAC by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:04:16Z
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@abid @SusanHR it's manderory here, so if you want or not.. one shall pay each month
(DIR) Post #ASlsaxjfEFXWN2QOi8 by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:04:42Z
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@stux This appears to be a letter where a court bailiff wants to seize your money ('dit beslag'). Which probably means you have been sentenced by a judge to pay an outstanding amount of money if this isn't a scam from some trickster.🧵1/5
(DIR) Post #ASlsazCllWPovb39iS by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:04:42Z
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@stux Another possibility might be that a debt collector has requested a judge to allow conservative seizing of your bank account (conservatoir beslag) and you will be subpoenaed in the near future.🧵2/5
(DIR) Post #ASlsb0rvZyvs5XJXVY by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:04:43Z
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@stux If you have been sentenced, you should have received a subpoena from a court bailiff. During the corona lockdowns, the servicing requirements of subpoenas were decreased (corona betekening). If you moved houses in the past two years but did not register correctly at the municipality, it might be that a court bailiff tried to service the subpoena at the wrong address.🧵3/5
(DIR) Post #ASlsb2VfTiJbB4un5c by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:04:43Z
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@stux I think it's best to contact a lawyer ASAP, because your bank account might get blocked soon. You could try first contacting the Juridisch Loket today, to figure out what happened and what steps you can take.🧵4/5
(DIR) Post #ASlsb4HYt8DgfuKYNc by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:04:43Z
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@stux If you were sentenced by default (verstek) you've got a very short amount of time to object the judgment after you understood you were sentenced to pay. If you let the period pass, that judgment becomes final.🧵5/5
(DIR) Post #ASlsf66C4lfjT2w0My by ranx@mastodon.social
2023-02-17T13:05:25Z
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@stux what does P.M. stands for, POST MORTEM? ☠
(DIR) Post #ASlsqLxTS3R7q8DtgW by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:07:27Z
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@lightspeed Ik denk dat dit het 'vonnis' is 😉 Ben 3 jaar geleden verhuist maar die tandart was altijd een beetje een chaos :sad_dog: Heb zo'n gevoel dat ze de rekening naar m'n moeders adres hebben gestuurd of iets maar die zou het ook laten weten 😟 Een keer wat meer betalen vindt ik tot daar aan toe maar zoooveeeel... Pfff
(DIR) Post #ASlsx550bUEnWFxIp6 by colegonnacole@mas.to
2023-02-17T13:08:41Z
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@stux some perspective for you. It would cost more in the US and if you didn’t pay in 90 days you would start having shit repossessed.
(DIR) Post #ASlsyroAuxj6wBvvUm by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:08:59Z
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@colegonnacole it's insane..
(DIR) Post #ASlszXXHm9AkLyM208 by aurochs@todon.eu
2023-02-17T13:09:08Z
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@stux Are you paying more because you should have paid a long time ago? BTW in Belgium, they are trying to make me pay for a specialist doctor visit that never happened because there was no doctor with that specialty at that place.Fucking nuts and I am also refusing to pay (for me it is easy, as I am not living in Belgium anymore).
(DIR) Post #ASlt2RuDAISnlCSsj2 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:09:37Z
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@aurochs Yup 2 years ago i think..And i would have if i got a bill or anything
(DIR) Post #ASlt6GLK64NT3cxrkW by aurochs@todon.eu
2023-02-17T13:10:20Z
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@stux Fucking nuts, why didn't you get it? did you move or something?
(DIR) Post #ASlt8GUqUrfo74NDo8 by mfreeman@med-mastodon.com
2023-02-17T13:10:41Z
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@stux @Derekhardwick @MagicLike fucking MAFIA
(DIR) Post #ASlt8zF888qAtMMo3k by batou@techhub.social
2023-02-17T13:10:51Z
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@stux terrible times we are living, looks like anyone is trying to rip/compensate inflation by junping on top of the next person in line
(DIR) Post #ASltNdl6I5vobSJ9xA by sevignes@mas.to
2023-02-17T13:13:30Z
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@stux I initially thought it was a utility bill, with so many private companies gouging consumers but this is terrible and I'm not sure how they can justify such a crazy penalty for non-payment (whether you knew about it or not). I hope you have a way to challenge and reverse the cost. 💗 😡
(DIR) Post #ASltXpdUzBNGKtc0qe by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:15:21Z
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@stux Wat zijn die andere posten? Griffierecht, salaris gemachtigde, wettelijke rente, incassokosten?
(DIR) Post #ASltnMBoEeQHdt3zt2 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:18:06Z
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@lightspeed Processkosten, executie etc etc
(DIR) Post #ASltvoSF1wv1camWFU by asha@subversive.zone
2023-02-17T13:19:39Z
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@stux Get a lawyer, or at least free legal advice. I don't know if there is such a thing in the Netherlands., though? ✊
(DIR) Post #ASlu1RE8Iq0FJtrgDA by trebach@masto.ai
2023-02-17T13:20:40Z
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@stux @Derekhardwick @MagicLike Settle the top line with the dentist since you didn't get notice of the bill in the first place. The debt collectors can go fuck themselves with a rusty running chainsaw
(DIR) Post #ASlu7BU3kSGuEO3QSe by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:21:41Z
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@trebach @Derekhardwick @MagicLike Yeah i think maybe there's the best chance
(DIR) Post #ASluLjiRGtj6SBie6S by welterph@mastodon.nl
2023-02-17T13:24:17Z
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@stux @lightspeed dit is inderdaad absurd. Ik zou het voor laten komen met als argument dat de vragende partij naar redelijkheid niet genoeg gedaan heeft om de schuld te innen. Anders dan je nu na 2 jaar ineens een brief te sturen naar het juiste adres?!?
(DIR) Post #ASlumubGuaBu1uKDMu by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:29:17Z
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@stux Ja, dit ziet eruit als een deurwaardersexploot (betalingsbevel). Je bent dan bij verstek veroordeeld (de rechter heeft aangenomen dat de dagvaarding juist is betekend, jij reageerde niet en de rechter heeft zonder jouw verweer summier de vordering beoordeeld). Of het is nep en iemand probeert je op te lichten.Bel zsm het Juridisch Loket om te bespreken of je nog in verzet kunt. De termijn begint te lopen nadat je kennis hebt genomen van het vonnis. Art. 143 Rv.https://wetten.overheid.nl/BWBR0039872/2023-01-01/0/BoekEerste/TiteldeelTweede/AfdelingAchtste/Artikel143/afdrukken#:~:text=verstek
(DIR) Post #ASlumycTy1XIUovEoK by lightspeed@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:29:17Z
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@stux Als je inkomen te hoog ligt voor het Juridisch Loket, bel dan zsm een advocaat om na te gaan of je nog in verzet kunt. Een advocaat is niet per se verplicht voor de verzet procedure, maar wellicht wel handig.Uiteraard goed een tarief afspreken, want je hebt er niks aan om de vordering afgewezen te zien worden, maar vervolgens dit bedrag aan een advocaat te moeten betalen.
(DIR) Post #ASlv4DMUPSvN8mf3nU by paulkater@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T13:32:24Z
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@stux Dan is daar een fout gemaakt. Bellen en laten rectificeren. Een of andere trien met een tikfout. Voor 11 meier kun je je geraamte laten vergulden.
(DIR) Post #ASlv6LFe2zsiBmTSSG by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-02-17T13:32:49Z
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@stux I'd offer to pay the original amount.
(DIR) Post #ASlvcq03GDgaovfxOy by opendna@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-02-17T13:38:39Z
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@stux I'd send them a check for the original amount and, by registered mail, reject the added fees and invoke GDPR in a demand for proof of service for the bills they claim they sent.Much more unpleasant than a brick.
(DIR) Post #ASlvkGmA6fUftLisFs by cl3mcg@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T13:39:59Z
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@stux I don't understand, I thought there was basic dentist coverage in NL ?Is it the basic public coverage that is shitty or your additional/private insurance ?I am asking as I am thinking about relocating to NL 😉
(DIR) Post #ASm0E43iLs8gxHOaGW by sashk@mastodon.social
2023-02-17T14:30:10Z
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@stux in usa this sounds like regular bill for a minor visit to dentist. for $170 you can't do a thing here :(
(DIR) Post #ASm14XvOYYxEdmWt4C by aurochs@todon.eu
2023-02-17T14:39:40Z
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@stux Can those motherfuckers argue that you should have actively searched for a way to pay 2 years ago?
(DIR) Post #ASm16kQd2SkO02BkdE by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T14:40:01Z
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@aurochs I think they chose the 'easy' way
(DIR) Post #ASm17PkDQXmC8efTM0 by hu_logic@mastodon.social
2023-02-17T14:40:06Z
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@stux Here in the Great State of Texas we have a fukton of toll roads.God-forbid you don't pay your toll. Or even worse - they have wrong address on file and you never get toll bills.Result? A $5 toll charge bloats into a $3,500 fine, full of administrative/filing fees...
(DIR) Post #ASm1Bl0UJdczF1LlZ2 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T14:40:51Z
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@hu_logic Dayum.. :amaze: Do you also pay road taxes and car taxes besides that? 😮
(DIR) Post #ASm1FnFLvk41LWEARU by hu_logic@mastodon.social
2023-02-17T14:41:41Z
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@stux Of course we do! Nobody said that capitalism and corporate socialism can't co-exist!
(DIR) Post #ASm1YORyLaFbwY01gm by Piloot@mastodon.nl
2023-02-17T14:44:56Z
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@stux Rustig, rustig. De oplossing:Geachte (naam tandarts),ik ontving van u een aanmaning voor een rekening die mij onbekend voorkomt. Ik neem aan dat oorspronkelijke rekening terecht is en zal dat bedrag dan ook direct voldoen.Zodra u mij kunt aantonen dat de oorspronkelijke rekening bij mij bezorgd is zal ik het resterende bedrag aan u overmaken.Ik zie uw verdere correspondentie met vertrouwen tegemoet.Met vriendelijke groet,enz.
(DIR) Post #ASm1jvruRGq2m2dKsq by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T14:47:08Z
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@Piloot thanks ❤️ dat is mijn plan voor maandag inderdaad.. (bellen voor de zekerheid)Maar los van mijn rekening, ik kan er niet bij dat het bedrag x10 is.. dit voelt zoo crimineel aan
(DIR) Post #ASm2FeN51pw1m2KzQ0 by Piloot@mastodon.nl
2023-02-17T14:52:53Z
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@stux Jawel, maar met klagen voordat je het oorspronkelijke bedrag betaald hebt wek je de indruk dat je niet *wil* betalen. Dat valt altijd verkeerd.
(DIR) Post #ASm328QuYx70uPFUjA by driesverlinden@mastodon-belgium.be
2023-02-17T15:01:38Z
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@stux @JesseKlaver Idd niet leuk. Kan de tandarts in kwestie bewijzen dat hij aanmaningen gestuurd heeft? Want een inbeslagneming is wel een geladen woord hoor.
(DIR) Post #ASmGVNCE3G6cUveTtg by markdevries@mstdn.social
2023-02-17T17:32:37Z
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@stux I had this once, years ago. I sent them a letter stating I had never received the original bill and asking for the original and followup letters. It may have been sent to the wrong address. The impound company told me this happened a lot. I never heard anything ever after that.
(DIR) Post #ASmS7xjbkYVQJsryVs by aurochs@todon.eu
2023-02-17T19:42:48Z
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@stux 🤦♂️