Post ASle5XdApwM54aVobw by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #ASlUWRALyw1TIeDZSK by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T07:58:07Z
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Can I just say how annoyed I am that I might have to start checking any #golang software I use to see if the developer disabled telemetry?It's a prime example of how #OpenSource does not necessarily imply #FreeSoftware. And yes, I mean free as in "freedom."
(DIR) Post #ASlUXNd4cJSUcW6KH2 by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:03:22Z
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@ascott So far it's only discussed and not implemented, right? I'm also not a fan of the idea although I don't even use Go (yet).
(DIR) Post #ASlUXOHUC3midr0bGS by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T08:22:34Z
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@theDoctor @ascott Look at how they do date formatting... go is not a sane language.
(DIR) Post #ASlUoCggYF51bkoRCy by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:23:21Z
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@sotolf @ascott I'll take anything over bash. But yes, I know about your opinion on Go. You really must have an alert set up :P
(DIR) Post #ASlUoDCadcbJChjuwC by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T08:24:41Z
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@theDoctor @ascott Secrets of the trade ;)
(DIR) Post #ASlUoDfIurZMdlAqh6 by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T08:38:10.235034Z
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@sotolf @theDoctor @ascott are we pointing out we don't like Go? I don't like Go. I think my main concern would be disabling of telemetry in Forgejo and Tut... both of which I'm fairly confident will remove it anyway.
(DIR) Post #ASlVGRhyIXWSInsgoS by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:41:05Z
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@paul @ascott @sotolf https://imgflip.com/i/7bhqbm
(DIR) Post #ASlVHRqdGRI11cPTv6 by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:43:27Z
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@paul @ascott @sotolf You just became the victims of my first ever self-created meme.
(DIR) Post #ASlVJN5HwiikpXBMmm by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T08:43:52.136642Z
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@theDoctor @ascott @sotolf I, for one, am very happy to be victimized in this way :rofl:
(DIR) Post #ASlVK8LCFON9OTzEbg by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T08:43:21Z
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@theDoctor @paul @ascott Ah, that hit well, thanks for making me grin :)
(DIR) Post #ASlWmqavPGdUhsbCvg by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:44:42Z
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@paul @theDoctor @sotolf The thing is, it's really good at what it does. I've had a fair degree of success writing small networking and microservice applications. Gitea, Forgejo, etm. are great examples of that as well. I think that makes it especially annoying, as telemetry in the toolchain means I don't want to develop with Go either. (Even when/if it is actually the best tool for the job.)
(DIR) Post #ASlWmrCV9Yh4aQBDV2 by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:45:33Z
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@ascott @paul @sotolf Oh boy, here they come...For the record, I don't dislike Go either, it's just that I haven't used it for anything productive yet.
(DIR) Post #ASlWmrn0xntuPfGNPc by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:51:40Z
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@theDoctor @paul @sotolf Who's "they?" Like it or don't, I don't care. I'm only saying it makes it extra annoying for me.
(DIR) Post #ASlWmsMSq0G0BbqgfQ by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:52:38Z
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@ascott @paul @sotolf The Go haters on here :)Not that you should care but it's a recurring theme. I hope it doesn't come to it that you don't wanna develop in Go anymore because of this telemetry issue. We'll see.
(DIR) Post #ASlWmsz6WLAK7RvXtY by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T09:00:20.227853Z
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@theDoctor @ascott @sotolf I@m happy Go developers exist, there's some good software made in it. I just don't like it myself, even having developed some software in it.Sort of in the same way to do not like C#.NET ... even though I have developed software in it... though I do try not to use dotNET software :rofl:There's an old trope I think... probably from Reddit or something"Pick any programming language. Ready? ... it's crap" :rofl:
(DIR) Post #ASlX5Byee2CeEjRiGu by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T09:01:52Z
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@paul @ascott @sotolf Well, have you heard about our Lord and Saviour Rust :rust: 🦀 yet?
(DIR) Post #ASlXIEPWuNnfY4EaLA by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T09:06:01.050020Z
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@theDoctor @ascott @sotolf You know what, I kinda like Rust... I just don't think everything needs to be rewritten in it It's like the spiderman movies or the programming world :rustcrab:
(DIR) Post #ASlXOt0esMIpCWm3Pc by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T09:07:01Z
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@paul @ascott @sotolf Heresy! Burn the witch! 🔥
(DIR) Post #ASlXUV2otGo6c0Sh60 by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T09:08:05Z
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@paul @ascott @sotolf We will not rest until every single node app is rewritten in the language of our Lord! :rust:
(DIR) Post #ASlXZDTrcTwPaRMPmy by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T09:09:08.264644Z
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@theDoctor @ascott @sotolf oh...well if you're doing node apps then you have my blessing :blobcatmeltthumb:
(DIR) Post #ASlXiFiQgCKn7mTxEu by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T09:10:12Z
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@paul @ascott @sotolf Same goes for all the Python scripts, all the R stuff, all the shell scripts and of course every piece of JS used for the web.
(DIR) Post #ASlYtCcobuKag9dpwG by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T09:23:19Z
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@paul @ascott @theDoctor Well, it can be pretty much defended that go is more crap than others, but sure all programming languages have crap things, But no sane person would listen to me, I dislike both go and rust :pBut just as you I also don't steer clear of stuff written in go, I just find it utter painful and unpleasant to use, so I never use it myself.People are free to have their own opinion, and if they like the language, more power to them :)
(DIR) Post #ASlZ9TzNoquhAKxbhQ by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T09:24:28Z
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@paul @ascott @theDoctor Like rust? The syntax is so unpleasing, and hides away logic problems, I don't like it. And the hype, I really wish I liked rust, I want to join the hypetrain, and cheer on the leading horse as well, I just can't.
(DIR) Post #ASlZ9UcjSYOB8NN224 by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T09:26:51.808032Z
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@sotolf @ascott @theDoctor Yeah... well «like» is probably the wrong term... «comfortable» maybe?I think it's because I did some stuff in C#.NET and there's similarities between the twoI feel I'm going to get some insults now because I compared C#.NET and Rust...
(DIR) Post #ASlZB53jTkDUQUkyiu by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T09:25:17Z
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@theDoctor @paul @ascott No, no, python and R needs to be rewritten in Julia from what I heard, not rust, it's not hype for sci-prog :p
(DIR) Post #ASlZTkahnr3qRo59FY by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T09:29:04Z
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@paul @ascott @theDoctor I used F# and surprisingly didn't hate it :) It's probably even closer to rust than what C# is, just that it's not as hideous ;)
(DIR) Post #ASlcFT2SZ6vdomwdXs by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T08:58:07Z
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@theDoctor @paul @sotolf For some reason I interpreted your other comment as saying I was defending the language. Oops lol. Sorry if I sounded hostile.Yeah we'll see. It wouldn't be the end of the world. You'd think I'd be used to Google ruining things with their insane data collection.
(DIR) Post #ASlcFTdKM2Q3f8C50i by underlap@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T09:47:04Z
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@ascott @theDoctor @paul @sotolf The community *could* maintain a fork with telemetry off by default. But that's unlikely to happen because Go is essentially owned and controlled by Google and I doubt the external community has enough resources to maintain a fork.
(DIR) Post #ASlcFUO7Y3qk0G5Rwm by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T10:01:31.647326Z
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@underlap @ascott @theDoctor @sotolf Yeah, that would be cool, but ultimately wouldn't help with the concerns as it requires *everyone* to switch to that maintained fork which isn't likely as not everyone thinks like us FOSS advocates :ablobsmile:
(DIR) Post #ASlcdhh9izwaDxXLVY by paul@notnull.click
2023-02-17T10:05:55.705714Z
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@underlap @ascott @sotolf @theDoctor potential names for a community fork of Go:- Gone- No- Jan22016150405-langI encourage more ideas :rofl:
(DIR) Post #ASlcyEuHxBqL1KTJDM by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T10:09:19Z
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@paul @ascott @underlap @sotolf oG
(DIR) Post #ASle5WyPHVkH29RG4G by underlap@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T10:13:19Z
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@paul @ascott @theDoctor @sotolf- GolangConsideredHarmful- Rust--- Stay
(DIR) Post #ASle5XdApwM54aVobw by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2023-02-17T10:14:14Z
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@underlap @paul @ascott @sotolf GolangHarmfulConsidered, GHC in short. Wait...
(DIR) Post #ASlgGjv3gl6CHLLSCW by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-17T10:46:11Z
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@paul @ascott @theDoctor @underlap - NoGo- GoAway- GoWithGenericsAndBetterDateformatting
(DIR) Post #ASlkxbWTBMuwVQXSca by niclas@angrytoday.com
2023-02-17T11:39:13Z
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@ascott There are reasons why most large corporations have firewalls in both directions to datacenters.