Post ASkTtkQaEsEaaTOuy8 by Granwalder@poa.st
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 (DIR) Post #ASiSa3huMOu6JrdFpo by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:29:07.194166Z
       
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       aww heck yeah nice ZERO buttons way better than the few buttons we have now nice smart smart smart good work, honeywell team thank youActually I’ll take this over the other twitter ads, but only barely
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiSfhNoH2n6osv96G by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:30:09.351373Z
       
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       aww cool you mean like that BMW wheel thing? Where you “just draw shapes with your finger and the system knows what you’re writing!” That doesn’t work so hot. This shit’s gonna get some poor bastard when he ends up blasting into somewhere he shouldn’t because the system is too busy freezing up interpreting handwriting
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiSnCz7B5vUrEx0Iy by Paultron@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:31:31.064742Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot and i thought the ford i rented today that made me use a touch screen for the window defrosters was bad
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiSuvDr6Ljk5NWWe0 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T21:32:49.261976Z
       
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       I can't wait for the first fatal accident caused by spilling coffee on the touchscreen, trying to wipe it up, switching the plane's GUI into swahili and not being able to switch it back.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiTDrHfy6MZNCL9ai by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:36:19.526259Z
       
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       aw bitchin. I was gonna say, could you hook it up to my phone? that would be awesome. Perfect, exactly what I want: Apple carplay in the plane, too
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiTLCNPweJColWfD6 by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:37:38.415915Z
       
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       @Eiregoat I hate it all. Everyone says “well cirrus market survey said that nobody wanted a glass panel GA plane!” so now every bad idea is greeted with “oh if smart people push back on it then it’s GOTTA be a good seller!” The only good news is that nobody likes honeywell decks
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiTRnRp1pqvWrjSMK by MeBigbrain@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:38:50.146701Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot Every engineering choice has to be made keeping in mind that this tech will be used by sheboons. They have to attempt to make it easy enough for the negress even if it becomes more unwieldy in general, as long as the downsides affect everyone equally.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiTZIyWD1IlKvbdNg by Bro-Drillard@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:40:11.508766Z
       
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       @MeBigbrain @WashedOutGundamPilot It's just another instance of the general nigger tax on everything.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiTcZmq9zZyLUhfrU by PunishedD@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:40:47.597214Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot "Hello, we're from the FAA, we're trying to figure out why your plane crashed.""FUCKING AUTO-CORRECT".
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiToDQT7ggSTBn0EK by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T21:42:52.205858Z
       
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       I'm not a pilot, but I'm also suspicious of glass cockpits a bit. I was always taught to navigate assuming electronics could and would fail at any moment. Even had it happen once: I was sailing form southampton to arklow and the GPS died. Fortunately we had everything worked out on paper so it was no big deal.I get you can't do that in an aircraft but I'd still like actual analog instruments just in case.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiUgJYEZ7md6XDYzA by Rayfield@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:52:40.097949Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot I used to work for a vessel assist type company where we would run out in a small overpowered speedboat to help people who got into shitty situations. A surprising number of calls were due to 'the gps stopped working! huh, charts? I thought those were for decoration, I don't know how to read this!"
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiVX9i5suDDvn1hB2 by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:02:10.993550Z
       
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       I heard a story from a local about a guy who wanted to sail around the world. He had a few people on board before he set off to show off the boat, one of them asked about his route, he pulled out his "map" to show them. It was a single school atlas type thing of the entire globe. He had no detailed charts of any of the areas he planned to sail though. This was before e-plotters too.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiVq7qb2Dlvei35hQ by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:05:38.802073Z
       
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       @Rayfield @Eiregoat Literally had this argument with that lady I was flying with. She spends all her time flying by staring down at her lap, watching the moving map. For the visual legs I just look outside, since that’s where the traffic is, but she’d get backseat drivery all the time. “uh I thought this leg was 320º”, then I’d point outside and show that I was following a valley to have a safer descent. The tech is nice but many have a tendency to just let the ipad fly the plane, they aren’t acting as a captain anymore. The more I fly with late-model pilots the more poor airmanship as a whole has become.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiW3h7hBw9opHW7c0 by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:08:06.081782Z
       
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       @Eiregoat We usually have a primary and secondary display, with one backup system so we have SOME redundancy. Add in our ipads and you have a functional 3rd. Outside of the airlines and well-equipped bizjets we often carry our own little gadgets like laser gyros, ADSB-in, GPS, etc. just to make sure we’re as accurate as possible even on our backup (esp. since you never know how your plane will be outfitted) Overall the glass panels have less issue than the steam gauges, those tend to be sloppier from installation error, calibration, slow response time, vacuum pump issues, precession, etc. Lots more to go wrong, and you always have to babysit them.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiW6dPNSYRUApBoRM by chainsaw_appreciator@poa.st
       2023-02-15T21:40:44.431519Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot >HoneywellThe guys who make those construction site latrines? That honeywell?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiW6fFWc9kXsqayMS by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:08:37.006797Z
       
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       @chainsaw_appreciator Probably? I think that’s “Honey Bucket” though. Honeywell does a lot
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWKYZ8GG1bCzOHxY by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:11:07.884287Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @Rayfield So many stories from that era end with “He went sailing on Feb 2, 1967 and was never seen again” along the coast. Heck, I just saw a vid of a dude repairing a watch, it came from the guy’s daughter when the sheriff’s peeled it off his corpse when it washed ashore
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWO5zcR6KzkYT29I by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:11:34.642663Z
       
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       I had to do that before but it was for instrument training. They tape up all the portholes and make you sit at the chart table yelling instructions to the helm. They don't let you use the gps though, that'd make it kind of easy.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWV5BdpcEfHEQFVI by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:12:59.708285Z
       
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       Oh interesting. I assumed the glass cockpit thing was just for user friendliness and packing more instruments in. I didn't realise the old ones were unreliable.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWYpXzv7y7vkfNYm by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:13:43.662201Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @Rayfield I like the saying that “a pilot without an instrument rating is only half an aviator” because it’s true. It’s a whole diff. game that requires a higher level of professionalism.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWezCwuq6rd5kxmq by Rayfield@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:14:51.417370Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot pov: your keel has met a rockbad end
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWtB5bXN7CX95WVs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:17:14.752216Z
       
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       I really enjoyed it, it was fun. There's a huge range of methods you can use to get the job done and they leave it up to you. My favorite story was about a guy doing his test near some cliffs and he ordered the helm to sound the foghorn, then used the echo to estimate his distance from the shore.I was boring and just used the depth sounder, log and a stopwatch.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWxnCvkyuZugiPdg by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:18:12.072112Z
       
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       If you fail the exam that hard then the examiner has more to hide than you do, so you'll probably get a pass.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiWzjtH3o5IClRvIe by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:18:35.669125Z
       
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       @Eiregoat It’s the little things, and you add in the fact that you get weight savings, too. Stuff like the heading indicator has to be reset every 15 minutes if you’re doing a lot of turns and stuff, which people tend to leave out, so you’ll end up seeing it goes from 2º, then 5º, then 15º, etc. off from your actual magnetic course as time goes on. The vertical speed indicator has a pretty good lag too, since it’s just pressure tubes measuring the differentials. If you’re ever bored the FAA does all the textbooks, they’re free and actually handy if you’re interested in the history/gear that goes into some of the older stuff.  Civil aviation is kinda stuck 50 years behind. http://www.tc.faa.gov/its/worldpac/standards/8083-25/PHAK%20-%20Chapter%2007.pdf
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiX22Q98WkkFpvBFg by UnityOstara@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:19:00.767477Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot @Rayfield That's kind of like how the "he will not divide us" flag got snatched
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiX5Dz2bQiez6lKUa by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:19:32.806973Z
       
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       Oh yeah! Forgot about that. Good times.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiX7SAUppsbYbBQVU by UnityOstara@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:20:00.027635Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot @Rayfield Autism: Weaponize it!
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiXFSwVq70EH9SmDA by Evil_Bender@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:21:03.457180Z
       
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       >implying there havent been implications to the implicit use of weaponized autismngmi
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiXLKChFAdWuSpKKm by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:22:28.785944Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @Rayfield See, I want to do something like that. I have very little in the way of seamanship, have been meaning to get better at that. I like working with the old guys because they’re more grounded that way. I like paying attention to the geography and the landmarks, flying like they used to before all the tech. I can’t help but get the impression that too many of us would be utterly lost if every screen in the cockpit just died at the same time. You can point outside and ask people to find a mountain on their chart and they’ll be pinching their map, zooming in, staring into the distance, all while a little moving plane is RIGHT there. It’s like they’ve divorced the IRL outside from their map in their head
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiXRHFd8PEjUQ2NdY by UnityOstara@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:23:34.460879Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @Rayfield @WashedOutGundamPilot Back when Trump was fun. Had Demoncrats on the run. Had statues not for MLK. Not every thing was fake and gay. Those were the days!
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiXffn8gs3FeeZjhw by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:26:08.766920Z
       
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       I talked to an old school pilot and he used to do all the maritime navigation stuff. Like they'd have a little dome at the top of the cockpit so you could stick your head up with a sextant and take a sun sight. There's little pantograph chart tables you can get too to make quick plots. I think a bomber navigator invented them.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiXs2wYREJwvxsaMy by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
       2023-02-15T22:28:18.335495Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot >zoomers and young millennials probably can't figure out how to use a road atlas
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiY3V0KRtD39H6cpE by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:30:13.851059Z
       
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       Man... that's actually a good point. I haven't even seen a road atlas in years. If google maps and whatever iphones have went down at the same time, would there just be chaos?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiYAuF50sjrRwXO2i by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T22:31:39.293711Z
       
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       Libraries without drag queens, groomers too scared to walk the streets. Boys were boys and girls were girls, those were the days!
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiYF5b0k5Atoxn3gW by johnnyappleseed@poa.st
       2023-02-15T22:32:35.050761Z
       
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       @skylar @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot >people can’t read a paper map. Is this one of those millennial/zoomer problems that I’m too intelligent/paranoid about technology to understand?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASicO4Tof1WsmZxn1c by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T23:19:00.867087Z
       
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       @johnnyappleseed @skylar @Eiregoat It’s more of a “kids raised in captivity have no mental modeling to connect abstractions of reality to their real world counterparts” thing. Guys are rarer in having issues, probably because of video games, but I find women REALLY struggle with overlaying a map with the terrain in their head. It’s like they’re two unbridgeable, unrelated concepts
       
 (DIR) Post #ASicSPhbhLOblFU6Mq by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T23:19:47.044532Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @skylar Maybe. Something I notice sometimes is that some people just fly the line into the airport and only really see it when it’s RIGHT there, like finding the interstate exit when it’s an eight of a mile in front of you
       
 (DIR) Post #ASicXVanE5htTcj7cO by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T23:20:42.624299Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @Rayfield I’d love to do that. Stellar nav is so cool. Then again I have to go and look up how to use the slide rule every few months because I no longer trust I’m doing it correctly
       
 (DIR) Post #ASicby6Z9x7J45iOSe by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-15T23:21:12.610055Z
       
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       I actually never learned how to use a sextant. I would like to though.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASickaa7zI3aiPeXg0 by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T23:23:04.584752Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @Rayfield I looked into it once. There’s a really good old nav manual from like, 1812 or something that the navy used. Was kind of interesting to skim. Likely takes quite a bit of practice, and until all the satellites are blotted out it’s probably very tough to know you’ve got a fix
       
 (DIR) Post #ASidHI7BfRuQzvi47k by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-15T23:28:59.638922Z
       
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       @skylar @Eiregoat 
       
 (DIR) Post #ASidYVxXRomIrHPRMO by LordMordred@poa.st
       2023-02-15T23:32:05.617017Z
       
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       @johnnyappleseed @skylar @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot I can read a paper map use one all the time in Daggerfall got the other maps of Tamriel too
       
 (DIR) Post #ASidfMPBMsp9FnbVJY by Victor_Emmanuel@poa.st
       2023-02-15T23:33:20.512061Z
       
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       @skylar @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot I know how to use a map and compass better than a road atlas
       
 (DIR) Post #ASikbTraOdbouCzEOW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-16T00:51:01.683277Z
       
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       Very few satellites are geosynchronous, and they're way too high orbit to be mistaken for stars. I suspect the biggest problem would be finding said stars with all the urban glow.The book sounds neat though.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASikpBznclEZXpMnCq by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T00:53:32.215144Z
       
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       I’m thinking of all the LEE garbage they’re filling the skies with. It’s fairly visible, to the point Starlink said they’d start providing a way for astronomers to request dimming for select regions some time. I think they have like, 50,000 satellites in their constellation. I looked to see if I had it in my faves, found this which may have something fun. The book I’m thinking of was literally something like “Essential Navigation for the American Seaman”, and it was in use for more than 100 years in service, as a kind of do-all book for sailors. Should be kind of famoushttps://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/celnav
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiksFd0ZjtjgAAH3o by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T00:54:05.632923Z
       
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       Duh, it was literally in that link: “The American Practical Navigator, first published in 1802, was billed as the “epitome of navigation” by its original author, Nathaniel Bowditch. The text has evolved with the advances in navigation practices since that first issue and continues to serve as a valuable reference for marine navigation in the modern day.The publication describes in detail the principles and factors of navigation, including piloting, electronic navigation, celestial navigation, mathematics, safety, oceanography and meterology. It also contains various tables used in typical navigational calculations and solutions, including the formulas used to derive the tabular data. Many of these solutions can also be found using the on-line calculators located in the Nautical Calculators section of this Web site.The 2019 edition, updated to June 2021, of the American Practical Navigator is published in two volumes, which can be downloaded as complete PDF documents by selecting the hyperlinks below.”https://msi.nga.mil/Publications/APN
       
 (DIR) Post #ASil85apeZe1BmhP0K by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T00:56:57.244898Z
       
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       Hell of a way to go out
       
 (DIR) Post #ASilbK4atc6sUoYkxk by Bro-Drillard@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:02:15.400999Z
       
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       I passed the Celestial Nav test in the aughts. Couldn't do it now without relearning most of it. I still have a 2002 Bowditch around.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASim8BB4zQeCSoGCNU by Bro-Drillard@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:08:11.302715Z
       
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       I have a few old slide rules around, but can you even buy them these days?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASimDfXVX6bs4pMuXY by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:09:11.032969Z
       
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       Probably, but if they’re anything like ours they suck now. Every time I see a wizwheel it’s al cardboard and plastic, no more metal pressed ones like they used to make
       
 (DIR) Post #ASimQyIp5E422BqKgq by Bro-Drillard@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:11:34.666451Z
       
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       My oldest slide rule is made of wood, I inherited that one. Then I have a metal and a couple of plastic ones.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASimYY7kIaT99wH7g0 by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:12:57.448463Z
       
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       I looked up the model and the first result is for the air and space museum: You can still find them but it is depressing they’re so underutilized. If you get speedy with them they get pretty handy. I knew an old guy flying 757’s who used to keep his handy because it was easier to track fuel burn that way
       
 (DIR) Post #ASimr1hp3KfM7OxbNI by Paultron@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:16:18.391178Z
       
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       yeah i actually had to use a slide rule in university (fuggin weird tbh, i'm not even that old) and it was a cheap pos of chinese plastic with cardstock inserts
       
 (DIR) Post #ASinAMIQipmNTrIkl6 by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:19:47.742251Z
       
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       AFAIK we still issue them as part of the usual pilot pack to the entry guys, because it’s useful and still allowed on all the written tests. Most of us just forget about it once we move into stuff w/ better avionics. Or start using an ipad. Kind of hard to stick with it when you can plug in your specific aircraft and get a running, minute-to-minute fuel burn estimate adjusted for conditions
       
 (DIR) Post #ASioZPsscSjrnmrZMe by dew_the_dew@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-16T01:35:32.040404Z
       
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       plot twist, the copilot is a native swahili speakerthen the plan crashes anyway
       
 (DIR) Post #ASip6T0A392j1j1oga by InquisitorVendee@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:41:21.243934Z
       
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       The fact that the IMO now allows ships to sail without paper charts is an absolute joke.ECDIS is utter wank. I made a decent living training people how to use them, and I still hate it.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiqLl7z2UcfXfXjAu by rher@mugicha.club
       2023-02-16T01:55:29.780009Z
       
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       What's a Honeywell Deck? Is that an on-board thermostat?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiqT547JHHxP9E3BA by InquisitorVendee@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:55:20.538672Z
       
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       American Practical Navigator by Bowditch is basically the bible.msi.nga.mil/Publications/APN
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiqWKViLFnKAwgQbI by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:57:23.655088Z
       
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       The whole cockpit upgrade where you rip everything out and install their lineup at the same time, instead of just doing a few pieces. Lets you sync up autopilot, FMS easier without niggles
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiqbxRX1EooN2PW2C by InquisitorVendee@poa.st
       2023-02-16T01:53:06.081617Z
       
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       Generally, anything up there that isn't a celestial body isn't going to cause you any problems for celestial nav for a couple of reasons:1. They move too quickly to get a sextant reading from. You are looking through a small telescope with a very narrow field of view and trying to precisely match it to a reflected horizon. That takes a bit of time.2. You need to identify your star before shooting it. None of the calculations will give you anything useful if you don't identify the body correctly. Most navigators learn a couple of dozen major stars and their positions within constellations.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASiqlgRj4GGYYG8gYS by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T02:00:10.216874Z
       
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       Oh forgor to add, there’s a school of thought in teaching that using slide rules helps students visualize the relationships between numbers, in addition to being a more hands-on way to retain their attention in tasks. So there’s some rationale to issuing slide rules even today
       
 (DIR) Post #ASir87EMAH4zzba9Kq by InquisitorVendee@poa.st
       2023-02-16T02:03:19.616904Z
       
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       You should. I'll loan you my grandfather's sextant:
       
 (DIR) Post #ASirB825dfNbLiHUg4 by rher@mugicha.club
       2023-02-16T02:04:45.977463Z
       
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       They're still made but you have to order them direct from the map houses. I haven't seen one at a roadside stop or any other place since I was 5.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASirIKchE5fOQOq1ei by rher@mugicha.club
       2023-02-16T02:06:04.590155Z
       
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       Can you give a quick rundown for zoomer retards such as myself?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASirIW5SbUD9ynNeW8 by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T02:06:06.312521Z
       
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       Beautiful. If I had the money to spend, I’d grab one of those old marine chronometers
       
 (DIR) Post #ASirNvv7z1ajY3893o by rher@mugicha.club
       2023-02-16T02:07:05.324709Z
       
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       Behead those who replace dials, knobs and buttons with touchscreen panels inshallah.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASirTdcavn6iX5BLJw by rher@mugicha.club
       2023-02-16T02:08:07.512004Z
       
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       Honeywell did everything until they sold off their missile and computing divisions in the 2010s.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASirpW1HsIZRKLAD4K by Tovarish_Pedal@poa.st
       2023-02-16T02:12:04.817584Z
       
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       what does this do?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASirzONR93vaWGEXYm by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T02:13:51.320965Z
       
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       https://www.rei.com/learn/expert-advice/navigation-basics.htmlThere are some good little guides like this that outline it. If you’re smart, or accustomed to games w/ maps it’s more intuitive than you’d expect, from the amount of whining people do about it. In my experience it’s really just this thing where people look at the map and fail to recognize the landmark in front of them. Maybe it’s just the flight charts making things look bigger on paper than they are IRL. That “84” there means the highest point is 8,400 ft in that region, a quick way of avoiding it if you got lost in the clouds. But when you’re at 7,000, which is what most of those hills seem to be in the NE region, students will blank on it and sit there….expecting there to be a 20,000 foot mountain. That’s the weird disconnect. It’s like no matter what they can’t see the map in their head. They think “okay, I’m looking for a mountain…mountains are way tall…..shit there’s nothing super tall here? There’s nothing taller than me? WTF where is this mountain?” until you say “it’s that one right there, see?” because it looks like a small hill from above.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASisHKQkYbJDUYKt6m by InquisitorVendee@poa.st
       2023-02-16T02:09:58.588577Z
       
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       If you aren't bothered about whether they are in working condition, nauticalia generally goes for buttons at antique auctions.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASisrU14OWvNe9Z2Lg by Victor_Emmanuel@poa.st
       2023-02-16T02:23:38.432182Z
       
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       First learn to read a compass. Then figure out how long your steps are. Get a map of a place and try to go from one point to another by using your compass to determine your angle and step count for distance. bring a GPS to check if you got it right.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASj5Q6lI2rSj6qSaVE by skylar@wolfgirl.bar
       2023-02-16T04:44:15.218388Z
       
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       @Victor_Emmanuel @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot i've never actually used a compass to navigate, we don't really have shit you can get lost or turned around direction wise in like forests or mountains.  you just look where the county road is, and if it's so goddamn cloudy or dark you can't tell which way's north/south vs east/west, at most it's a half mile walk to see which one's got a number and which one's got a letter or name.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASjrsKDUPS2ukNAeSu by Victor_Emmanuel@poa.st
       2023-02-16T13:47:17.889628Z
       
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       @skylar @Eiregoat @WashedOutGundamPilot >I don’t need a map for a place I’m familiar Yea no one does.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkS8r0bqx8DQwKLi4 by InquisitorVendee@poa.st
       2023-02-16T15:39:18.765608Z
       
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       @Tovarish_Pedal @WashedOutGundamPilot @Eiregoat @Rayfield It is an entirely mechanical, yet very accurate time piece that was essential to deep sea navigation prior to GPS.Having accurate time-keeping is required for running by dead reckoning (we have gone for x time, in y direction, therefore should be in position y) and for accurate calculation of a ship's position by sighting stars.To take an accurate celestial fix you need an accurate time and a rough idea of your ships position (within a few hundred miles works, but the closer the better).Effectively you compare what you DO observe in the sky at your true position against what you SHOULD observe in your estimated position at the same time. The difference between observation and reality allows you to calculate your true position.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkS8ra3j9UJCsuexs by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-16T20:28:53.168970Z
       
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       Just to point out, you don't need a really accurate chronometer for dead reckoning since your COG and SOG are going to be inaccurate anyhow. An hourglass is enough. You can also use local time with a sun sight or star sight since there's no need to compare to grenwich.Chronometers were absolutely game changers for calculating longtitude though, you're dead right.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkSExvl1zRgddyKGW by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-16T20:30:39.665027Z
       
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       I just noticed what the eagle's grabbing. Nice.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkT5FPxGALVvq1hnU by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T20:44:12.646199Z
       
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       @Eiregoat @InquisitorVendee @Rayfield @Tovarish_Pedal People still don’t quite appreciate how magical the humble quartz watch is today. It’s still damn amazing that ten bucks will get you something you could use for navigation for a straight year without synchronizing. Mechanical springs and balance wheels could only go so far. (This one was a tuning fork movement, not quartz, but still very impressive for its time when your “cheap” bulova didn’t need to be synced with the radio tone twice a week like your boss’ rolex
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkTOx6N4EluuyGJvc by IAMAL_PHARIUS@poa.st
       2023-02-16T20:47:46.386729Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot Worst thing they did was introduce touch screen to domestic kitchen appliances. What happened to knobs
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkTR0hIfalyeHW6ca by Eiregoat@nicecrew.digital
       2023-02-16T20:45:25.290404Z
       
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       Right. It's nuts that only a few generations earlier it was a massive problem that was sinking whole fleets of ships. Now it's an everyday item.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkTdKlHtfuyLtG4uG by graf@poa.st
       2023-02-16T20:50:21.610783Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot you will never be a real plane, you have no yoke..
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkTt2bjA50KgIHCEK by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T20:53:12.047779Z
       
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       @graf Everyone’s gone to the HOTAS crap now because…..well I know they love ripping off the military but I’m actually pretty sure it’s because too many pilots are fat as shit and their belly gets in the way of a floor-mounted joystick or yoke. Now we get silly things like this: https://youtu.be/sLUvoYIi1vo?t=50
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkTtkQaEsEaaTOuy8 by Granwalder@poa.st
       2023-02-16T20:51:55.040188Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot cockpit looking like a free to play mobile game
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkUFN29tiUmP3HqZk by WashedOutGundamPilot@poa.st
       2023-02-16T20:57:14.515427Z
       
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       @IAMAL_PHARIUS Well there IS a point to the idea. If you have a screen, why NOT make it as big as possible? Then you can see more stuff. For these, the bigger screens show more of the map and allow you to distinguish terrain in 3d view.  With the added real estate, you can put the engine gauges on the secondary screen, too. to me, the peak so far is still the first few generations of the garmin panel. Kept the cake knobs and the work flow from their well-designed older stuff, while keeping plenty of screen space for flight use. Best of both worlds. Now, they’ve pared down the knobs in favor of touchscreens, which is not so much an issue when you’re flying a glassy smooth, heavy transport plane, but definitely is when you’re less than 12,000 lbs getting bounced around like a hamster ball rolling down the stairs
       
 (DIR) Post #ASkWtK6CQcaonCM6d6 by 1967GTO@poa.st
       2023-02-16T21:26:53.038098Z
       
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       @WashedOutGundamPilot @graf It's like a mini-excavator. Push one control forward while pulling the other one back and you can spin around.