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(DIR) Post #ASfzko7TMxKuApRWxU by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T16:56:43.153473Z
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FUCKING DEMIURGINALI'm glad I grew up on an internet before all this handholding moralising GARBAGE
(DIR) Post #ASfzojY8Io339smkka by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T16:57:26.368511Z
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It's like those cursed gooner pictures where the viewer has an implant installed to cover naked female bodies automatically, except for profanity
(DIR) Post #ASg6G5fKmZldIIa7Wa by marine@breastmilk.club
2023-02-14T18:09:36.928130Z
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@hermit those what???
(DIR) Post #ASg8D4HbfOka2sAaRM by Paradox@raru.re
2023-02-14T18:31:27Z
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@hermit I literally switched to third party launchers because I just don't care enough about Minecraft to switch over to Microsoft. I was using T Launcher. Not as many options but it made setting up the modpack for your ftb server way easier.
(DIR) Post #ASgCNUpGEff94x8hJA by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T19:18:10.148351Z
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@marine I can't remember the tag so I can't find it on GOON HENTAI but I discovered it when I was briefly investigating that cursed place.The mythos was that the visual censor imlpant was forcibly installed into "loser virgins" and girls could increase the intensity of it to punish them, potentially to the point where the girl cannot be perceived at all.
(DIR) Post #ASgCUySGTQy6zzwssq by marine@breastmilk.club
2023-02-14T19:19:31.766283Z
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@hermit jesus fucking christ.
(DIR) Post #ASgCVyHmaVQIlRWO9Y by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T19:19:41.224665Z
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@hermit whats the deal with thoselike why do people find it appealingyoure my 'sexual behavior in the human male' consultant
(DIR) Post #ASgHJKLnjuzDCfBuyW by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T20:13:26.557477Z
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@marine Yeah, it's an interesting kind of depravity for sure. I guess I KINDA get it? But I don't jerk off to shit designed to make me feel pathetic.
(DIR) Post #ASgHjOdOR3G01Bqmki by marine@breastmilk.club
2023-02-14T20:18:09.955201Z
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@diceynes @hermit i’m not into it but money is money.
(DIR) Post #ASgHjShRJws2ctm4cC by Leaflord@leafposter.club
2023-02-14T20:18:10.522310Z
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A findom enjoyer. Very powerful
(DIR) Post #ASgHv7MsSP15wUiMRU by marine@breastmilk.club
2023-02-14T20:20:17.117413Z
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@diceynes @hermit lame. :meowRollingEyes:
(DIR) Post #ASgIBeEq0ucgWNpuiW by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T20:23:14.359408Z
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@clora I think it's partially about submission to women, which results as a fairly ordinary paraphilic headspace in men because men get hornier more often than women generally and need less excuses to fuck, so they spend a lot of their time wanting sex with women who won't give it to them. They're not blind so they perceive the power dynamics at play, and react to it in different ways - either by fetishising the power that women have over them in some way, or by flipping the fuck out about it and trying to reject the whole thing (a lot of incels for example, an extreme example would be that guy who was sick of women holding sexual power over his psyche so he MASTURBATED TO NOTHING BUT INSECTS for years.)In a sense, it all stems from a cope.Copes are very easy to sexualise, for example men who experience erectile dysfunction can end up fetishising their own impotence, or women with low sex drive (but who are frequently desired by men) can end up fetishising their own impenetrability by the needy.The question is, just how far is a person willing to sink? It's one thing to enjoy a woman ruining your orgasm or giving you a mischievous handy and telling you "no pussy today~", but it's another thing to fully embrace your powerless. A lot of NTR fetishists fall into this category: they perceive themselves as inferior men without a chance of seducing a woman, so they come to fetishise their own complete lack of sexual access.I have a PET GOONER who has fallen even further than this, embracing terms such as "pussyless virgin" and "handfucker" as self-descriptive monikers and fully leaning into the angle that they will NEVER get to fuck a woman. From there it's a short hop to more extreme forms of this dissonance and deprivation: an NTR fetishist who started by getting off to watching his waifu get fucked might progress to fetishising her NOT letting him watch, and having sexual encounters behind his back.The censor implant fetish takes this a step further: The man is now literally deprived from even seeing the attractive parts of a woman. I think all (straight) men deify women to some level, even if their reaction to that deification is to objectify or try to repress their power because the divinity scares them and must be controlled, and they do not wish to give its power a chance to flourish. The kind of "healthy" deification I prefer involves a "divine joining": I have a masculine divinity of my own that can interplay wth their feminine divinity. But what's being observed in the fetishes we're discussing here is a deification in which the woman is elevated to the highest pedestal imaginable and the man enjoys feeling weak and pathetic before her.As an aside, said pet gooner went through a phase where he would only allow himself to look at AI-generated hentai, because he "only deserved to get off to low effort slop porn."
(DIR) Post #ASgIKKgm4EdiUp2oxE by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T20:24:50.257838Z
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@diceynes @marine Based tbh
(DIR) Post #ASgIpquqIYvRQIeeAK by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:30:31.476498Z
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@hermit ok yeah that makes a lot of sensealso y'all are fucked up, damn
(DIR) Post #ASgIy8J1Wi5FfquhZw by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:32:00.879626Z
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@hermit @clora wow
(DIR) Post #ASgJ6JEGnWX1rvaZ3g by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T20:33:29.803596Z
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@clora You're fucked up too! Who would get off thinking about a man pushing them up against a wall and holding their weak wrists as they struggle? About his needy breath on their neck as primal urges take over, inhibitions break down, and the need to breed becomes so urgent that they're willing to take you by force? About trying to push them away, saying "g-get off me..." as they start just directly groping your most intimate and protected parts, your little hands held in just ONE of theirs while the other one does whatever it wants with your body? About a man's erection RUTTING on your stomach due to the height difference, mindlesly looking for anything to fuck with animal instinct?
(DIR) Post #ASgJJKbYzhfZtrh3uC by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:35:51.535176Z
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@hermit tbh i dont think thats especially fucked upits not incompatible with having self-respect and it follows naturally from the instincts ive had ingrained in me, biologically & otherwise
(DIR) Post #ASgJORqlU5BXooFB6u by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:36:45.497353Z
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@clora @hermit yea i think that the whole simulacra of NTR and unattainability and the insect thing wouldnt emerge naturally in a way that a lot of other stuff
(DIR) Post #ASgJTJjR5wlY5X8acC by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:37:39.662990Z
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@errante @hermit yeah. the thing i am is a perfectly reasonable thing to be given the circumstances—like, i am a freak of modernity, but in a way that follows from first-order natural archetypeswhereas the stuff hermit is talking about is a resublimation
(DIR) Post #ASgJYcIXUfjl7O5Frs by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:38:36.463418Z
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@clora @hermit i think i will end up not being a freak of modernity
(DIR) Post #ASgJnCfr2rWnzTwdiS by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:41:14.433316Z
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@errante @hermit damn really? thats super cool. how do you envision your escape from degeneracy happening?
(DIR) Post #ASgJyK2hzOCW1sw7Um by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:43:13.172893Z
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@clora @hermit i will become god
(DIR) Post #ASgKcVXKfro1GDQFZA by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T20:50:32.014123Z
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@clora Definitely, I just wanted to fluster you in public :3
(DIR) Post #ASgKiwylYZpS6qKIDo by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:51:40.775759Z
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@errante @hermit hm ok
(DIR) Post #ASgKkeylS2oKrX8mw4 by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:52:00.332494Z
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@hermit thats somewhat more difficult
(DIR) Post #ASgKnDRGInUGJfgmI4 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T20:52:27.410876Z
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@clora @errante I don't think trannies are freaks of modernity and I don't think they're degenerate, if anything history has AMPLE examples of androgyny being embraced or even cultivated (usually via castrating young boys) and I think these conditions arise naturally. I think binary gender is a MYTH.
(DIR) Post #ASgKx0fQdoUJbNzA92 by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:54:13.250492Z
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@hermit @errante i think the existence of trans women would probably be fine if they had a meaningfully defined cultural category to occupy, but since nobody does theyre just as vacuous and shitty as everyone else, only worse, because they're conditioned to approach everything from a perspective of simulation, internalized dissonance, & paranoia over threats to legitimacy in a way that is characteristic of the rootless person but taken to an extreme
(DIR) Post #ASgKzyxBT81J9jhwMi by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T20:54:46.534123Z
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@clora Yes, like breaking your compsure through breeding. It's difficult work but it's God's Work.
(DIR) Post #ASgL39ykvvKcDexTfM by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T20:55:20.907510Z
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@hermit hm
(DIR) Post #ASgLkpCrWg4EXJNSym by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:03:13.017518Z
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@clora @hermit @errante > i think the existence of trans women would probably be fine if they had a meaningfully defined cultural category to occupythey did, or used to, in a wide number of places - this role was deliberately wiped out. unfortunately, they weirdly /do/ have one (or two) established in a prominent quasi-mythological send. they are:- striped sock wearing linux user bpd+cptsd FAANG employee (mattress on floor) - prostitute who will be murdered before age 30which both suck> but since nobody does theyre just as vacuous and shitty as everyone elseamerican opinion> they're conditioned to approach everything from a perspective of simulation, internalized dissonance, & paranoia over threats to legitimacy in a way that is characteristic of the rootless person but taken to an extremeread some guy debord
(DIR) Post #ASgLt2UW19cw3SYFf6 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:04:42.766717Z
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@clora @errante I don't understand this fascination with validation through societal niches and roles and this focus on roots. You're not the only person I know who thinks like this by any means, it's just thoroughly alien to me. I pride myself on NOT being easily categorisable, and I deliberately cut my roots away.I think validation arises from the self, not from others. If you rely on others to feel valid then you're just restricting what you can do and be, and letting others tell you what to do and be.
(DIR) Post #ASgLtABJQR1HuDd1qC by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:04:44.722857Z
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@errante @clora @hermit i havent read the thread but im gonna just assume its about horihone saizou
(DIR) Post #ASgLwEwMBlXtX96HY0 by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:05:17.780971Z
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@cracky @errante @hermit i literally just read the society of the spectacle i am aware of that framing & think its very contentful. we have talked about this.> american opinionmaybe. seems like other places are also increasingly 'no one to adjust, no one to drive the car'
(DIR) Post #ASgLxzOmwUSZubEVrE by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:05:37.185882Z
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@cracky @clora @errante nHentai is turning up results with a range of art styles that really don't look like the same artist at all. Mind posting an example of their work that you enjoy?
(DIR) Post #ASgM02wAl1cpSupT1c by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:05:59.519705Z
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@cracky @clora @errante Oh I'm a retard, they're anthologiesThat only makes them a pain to comb..... so the request stands!
(DIR) Post #ASgM4nlkZzZXs1DoEi by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:06:51.126419Z
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@cracky @clora @errante >this role was deliberately wiped out. unfortunatelyI WONDER WHO DID THAT 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔
(DIR) Post #ASgMK6gwVabctvGrzs by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:09:36.078493Z
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@clora @errante @hermit > i literally just read the society of the spectacle i am aware of that framing & think its very contentful. we have talked about this.well you need to read it again because what you said about the artificiality of trans women doesn't make senseany role anyone has in the spectacle is inherently artifice. transness was at least once radical as a spectacle-unrecognized axis of autonomy, but no longer has any inherent radical potential since the invention of picrew lol. all the rest of the gender/sexuality shit lost its radical potential with the queer theory psyop laying the groundwork of turning these identities into more conveniently utilizable marketing demographicssomeones impulse to body mod w/ hrt is literally exactly as assimilated and system-recognized as you being a faggot
(DIR) Post #ASgMNmyBm9sItR5rX6 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:10:15.022508Z
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@cracky @clora @hermit id like to insert an opinion on simulation in here but idk where but my opinion on the role of trans woman as woman has neccessarily come into conflict with my ontology and also my strongly held opinions surrounding simulacra in food
(DIR) Post #ASgMYuRmJdw3GjEioK by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:12:17.106673Z
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@errante @clora @hermit there is dissonance there for sure that i ended up personally resolving by resolving to not give a shit about iti never really saw much to utilize in either side of 'trans woman' contra 'woman' after watching people constantly talk about it for a decade so i put it in the deep freezer and have been happier and more relaxed ever since
(DIR) Post #ASgMbNC8P5Kd0W5tAW by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:12:42.476613Z
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@cracky @clora @hermit i enjoy consistency. it lets me approach things
(DIR) Post #ASgMesivdVV9f46dua by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:13:21.377127Z
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@cracky @clora @hermit basically like i have a couple of conflicting opinions:- desire for trans liberation (generally manifests as 'trans women are women')- libertarianism /satrean ontology (you are defined by your actions, objects are defined by their use rather than their creation/mewtwo/at what point does something become chopsticks/anything is a dildo if you're brave enough)- my massive hatred of quorn and other imitation meats for trying to be something they fundamentally couldnt be and will always be worse off than
(DIR) Post #ASgMu8bsqxxlHA5NGi by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:16:06.362431Z
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@errante @clora @hermit > desire for trans liberation (generally manifests as 'trans women are women')the way i resolved this that left my ideology consistent is that rather than manifesting it as "trans women are women" i manifest it as - people can do what makes them feel good- i regard someones identity as what they self-proclaimand i dont need to do a categorical comparison between these categories which never made much sense to me anyway
(DIR) Post #ASgMy1Gc6399eyzI4e by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:16:48.650828Z
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@cracky @clora @hermit ya im getting to that
(DIR) Post #ASgNByecbjJpbvsB5U by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:19:18.016820Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit the quorn thing develops into a notion of recognising things for their own merits, but conflicts with the ontology. quorn meat is meat because you use it as meat, the material composition is irrelevant. a chair is whatever you use as a chair; doesn't matter if its a table. however, my position on quorn and food would have me take on a more.... from purpose argument around ontology. a mushroom is a mushroom, unavoidably, and it can't be beef, but its great at being a mushroom, and trying to turn a mushroom into beef always leads to worse results than just using a mushroom for its own merits.i can synthesise the Anything Is A Dildo If You're Brave Enough ontology with the trans women are women thing with the notion that what being a woman is is a use in the social sense and that's being recognised as such.but! my other fundamental worldview, the extent to which i am annoyed at beyond burgers (ask me more about this and you can understand a lot of my political alignments), would have me recognise and acknowledge things that trans women wouldnt particularly like, in that i can't accept the two together in the same way that i can't accept a quorn chorizo as a chorizo, my ontology is in conflict with my pragmata
(DIR) Post #ASgNLN2rIAWJrdgkfQ by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:21:02.698706Z
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@cracky @errante @hermit > someones impulse to body mod w/ hrt is literally exactly as assimilated and system-recognized as you being a faggoti acknowledge this, as well as the rest of what you said, esp. the part about the conversion of *being*/intrinsic identity to sorcery by 'queerness' as an interpretable ontology.i think maybe what i need to be clear about is that i view the modern post-new woman as effectively the same thing—an empty signifier. i recognize that womanhood isn't any more holy at this point, but for me there's still an underlying transcendental category from the experience of it, the inalienable nature of it, that is reprocessed into vacuous-ness, but the underlying content is present in a way that's distinct from transness. things don't have to have that underlying cause, objects can be causa sui, but having it makes the simulation over it all the more terrifying and disgusting to me.
(DIR) Post #ASgNNWMHdW5JKOnduS by MercurialBlack@leafposter.club
2023-02-14T21:21:26.430782Z
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disgusting
(DIR) Post #ASgNO6RVTZeZF1WK36 by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:21:32.272715Z
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@errante @cracky @hermit >neccessarilyhave u tried not upholding dissonance
(DIR) Post #ASgNQM5iGZPELyOtW4 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:21:57.128501Z
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@cracky @clora @errante
(DIR) Post #ASgNQaFRdBVcGD3rd2 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:21:57.249786Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit yea im trying buddy
(DIR) Post #ASgNTyyOA2EpoPhiq0 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:22:36.430471Z
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@errante @clora @cracky What the fuck philosophical tradition are you all using the terminology from? This is totally alien to me.
(DIR) Post #ASgNWSy1c9S3PsibeS by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:23:00.979075Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky im making shit up as i go along and then explaining it
(DIR) Post #ASgNWYVX10DybFQw4W by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:23:02.307984Z
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@pawlicker @hermit @errante yeah its not a specific issue
(DIR) Post #ASgNY0ilbUHuOMJmCG by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:23:18.603904Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky a lot of words have shapes! when i can suss out a shape for a word that i like, i slot it in there
(DIR) Post #ASgNeR20hAAJjINlRo by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:24:29.609403Z
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@cracky @errante @hermit thankfully i dont really care about identity so the way i like interact with people doesnt cause too much a problem—i recognize that the social category is already fucked so trying to be like 'truthful' on principle by misgendering people isn't going to achieve anything, the label i'm choosing to ascribe or not ascribe exists independent of me and is already stripped of referenti definitely dont view trans women as the same thing as women, but that doesnt like, cause a problem for me. it caused more problems when i did.
(DIR) Post #ASgNiL1gxpheGO5vY8 by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:25:10.643015Z
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@hermit @clora @errante its an heirloom broth of her own devising and i like it
(DIR) Post #ASgNjLsfGyupCdM6j2 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:25:21.195652Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit the position i essentially hold is that trans women realy should try and occupy their own social category and thus be recognised on our own merits and then we can be free of a lot of stuff that we want to be free of, but this also invalidates the desire to fit into one of the categories my anticiv / prim / taoism / luddism / etc etc etc also block me from going Annoying Redditor Transhumanist and saying that yea the gender wont exist in the end because there are these biological realities and a lot of my political positions are also built on the food ontology rather than the satre ontology. my strongest political position is localism; an idea wherein we see what's around us, and try and work with. do we have river? build our life around rivers. what grain works best? ok, none. lets try tubers instead. this is of course, somewhat in conflict with my Anything Is A Dildo, because i AM prescribing uses! in the same way that i AM prescribing uses for the foods. an easy way out of this would be to just have both ontologies at once, at different stages in time. i could have an ontology of material and an ontology of use, but that's boring and doesn't help me when they come into conflict, like they are right now
(DIR) Post #ASgNm4MwpwxhlCofFg by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:25:51.346516Z
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@cracky @hermit @clora theres a few words im trying to be very consistent about, like ontology, which i take to mean the belief about the nature of things
(DIR) Post #ASgNpWiHuVBeXMRjE0 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:26:28.869841Z
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@cracky @clora @hermit my position on words is that of Sonja Lang and Lao Tzu, in that a lot of them mean the same thing as each other at a more fundamental level, and thats why i trail off into the chains of slashes
(DIR) Post #ASgNuJ22CmrPYJxg6C by visualseptica@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:27:05.655940Z
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@errante @clora @cracky @hermit finally a philosophical framework i can understand
(DIR) Post #ASgNuJWsM7Wx5yOJAe by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:27:19.565818Z
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@visualseptica @clora @cracky @hermit which one?
(DIR) Post #ASgNwH1ucTFjvGqIqW by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:27:42.796261Z
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@clora @errante @hermit > transcendental category i appreciate you extending the olive branch to me by using this terminology instead of 'universal'i need to think about how i feel about this
(DIR) Post #ASgO08PEcmv0Koanse by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:28:24.962868Z
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@cracky @clora @errante Now this I can understand and explicitly agree with. I think the quest to define "legitimate transness" is a waste of time for the basic reason that the psyche is fucking phenomenological.
(DIR) Post #ASgO1DQHSQZ6BSb5JQ by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:28:36.524688Z
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@hermit @cracky @errante im sorry for being a hylic wordcel please do what everyone does and infer from context
(DIR) Post #ASgO2lrusHiFIyGViS by visualseptica@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:28:15.184398Z
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@errante @clora @cracky @hermit your clownish posting regarding the false chorizo
(DIR) Post #ASgO2mNoxfEWtvBzRg by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:28:51.208358Z
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@visualseptica @clora @cracky @hermit i think about food a lot. its central to my understanding of the world
(DIR) Post #ASgO4wOUiDOOWoXQ6C by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:29:16.465428Z
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@errante @cracky @hermit > localism; an idea wherein we see what's around us, and try and work with. do we have river? build our life around rivers. what grain works best? ok, none. lets try tubers insteadfood in the situation
(DIR) Post #ASgOBnpSxGUjzXQSe0 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:30:29.817939Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit this is mostly a strong held opinion where someone argued to me that marxism is the only politicial ideology that adapts to the world around it (in spite of it not doing that) because it performs dialectical analysis and if current me was talking to them, i'd have kicked them in the nuts and said ' are you fuckign retarded'
(DIR) Post #ASgODS8oYqZvJ5GLxo by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:30:49.076216Z
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@errante @visualseptica @clora @hermit food honestly provides some really effective and understandable metaphors for things
(DIR) Post #ASgOGtKBwxEwU3Dwlk by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:31:25.504963Z
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@cracky @clora @hermit @visualseptica oh i dont mean metaphor. im one of those agarian type fellas . a primmie. i think tht we should really be more connected to our food production
(DIR) Post #ASgOK5IbsxcgUU0TnE by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:32:01.242974Z
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@cracky @errante @hermit one of my friends (prof at my uni) who was mentored by latour said a cool thing last time i talked to her where the ascription of inherents or membership in transcendental categories is a sort of privileging of one's own intentionality that requires the exercise of a particular sort of will against spectacular 'truth' or something, in that to declare something inherent you make it uncaused and therefore cause it purely through your relationship to your own will
(DIR) Post #ASgOKAmvTfqNVxEGEy by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:31:54.261116Z
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@MercurialBlack @clora I think it's present within us all to some level, it's just about how it manifests. We can't do anything to control what we find arousing, but we can manifest it in shapes and ways that are helpful or reinforcing.Personally when I have "dark desires" in this sphere I just talk through a fantasy about them with a trusted partner who also finds them erotic. This is what I don't understand about the reactions of immediate and inherent disgust to NTR, for example: it's not as though you "get the brainworm" and from there you're sliding down the slippery slope, even extreme and deranged NTR fantasies can just be.... talked through during sex or masturbation, roleplayed, whatever.But maybe that's just me. Maybe for some men it really IS a matter of taking one step into the quicksand and being sucked in. The idea of observing that happening to someone is amusing and intriguing, potentially even arousing. I'm glad I'm not the one in the pit~
(DIR) Post #ASgOTlzEXmE9UQYzWy by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:33:44.811370Z
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@hermit @clora @errante oh also ive just been reading debord again so im using his words (and he uses baudrillard's words)
(DIR) Post #ASgOUFmrkK9xul0XQ0 by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:33:51.500067Z
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@errante @cracky @hermit real. reading Debord and then a bunch of Stein has given me a fun perspective bc a bit of marxism that i like was accidentally developed like 40 years earlier with priors i'm much more sympathetic to by a poet who hung around with people whose motivations for seeing the world 'as it is' were much more straightforward.
(DIR) Post #ASgOWhUhhdwoQRgBDE by MercurialBlack@leafposter.club
2023-02-14T21:34:17.848071Z
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I mean yeah, you can have desires which you think are disgusting, but as long as you don't let it envelop your personality, and you're still capable of normal sexual interaction, and you can talk about it, it really ain't that much of an issue.If you're completely isolated for so long and never have a human outlet then I can understand getting stuck in the quicksand.
(DIR) Post #ASgOatuvSNPU73wnBI by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:34:55.389446Z
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@errante @clora @cracky
(DIR) Post #ASgOeANygQfq3f5qVc by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:35:38.481570Z
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@clora @errante @hermit its dawning on me that laura riding was working on a very similar line to debord, just like 40 years earlier than he washttps://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.223132 this is v high on my to-read list after i finish some current things
(DIR) Post #ASgOhknVlH0Tr8kN84 by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:36:17.801896Z
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@clora @errante @hermit also im digitizing a bunch of stuff TONIGHT i PROMISE U ALL THIS!!!
(DIR) Post #ASgOi5nDhYFeyJlw5g by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:36:21.723831Z
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@cracky @errante @hermit >just like 40 years earlier than he wasdamn she just like Steinim so glad stein gave me right situationism and cured everything thats wrong with me
(DIR) Post #ASgOiovbtChWxN2luq by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:36:29.603200Z
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@cracky @errante @hermit based
(DIR) Post #ASgOles9jUVwdcmUy0 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:36:59.454609Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Oh I'm not at all criticising your style of conversation, if anything it's actually quite similar to my own in some regards. You're just drawing on a lot of terminology I've literally never heard before. I think I asked Clora to explain the "spectacle" to me once and was still utterly bemused because the explanation relied upon even more terminology with which I was not familiar.I'm acutely aware of running into this problem when explaining myself too, which is why I've been trying to get better at "scaffolding" terms from the most immediately relatable and essential upwards. It's what I did in last night's extended conversation with Brea and I think it was successful, she truly understood what I was saying.
(DIR) Post #ASgOn22175uKkp34dc by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:37:13.094725Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit ive yet to find a resolution to this, so i'll put what i just elaborated into simpler terms (lol) and analogy i have an ontology, in that things are what you use them for. think about chopsticks. aristotle would say that something becomes chopsticks as soon as you like, inscribe it with your intent and give it a purpose as chopsticks. thats why a table is a table, not a chair.of course, aristotle's argument is kind of fucking stupid because CREATION and INSCRIBING WITH PURPOSE are incredibly vague. like, if i take a pair of sticks off the ground and use them to pick up food, i have created chopsticks, despite doing literally nothing to the pair of sticks other than using them. so whats to say that im not creating a chair every time i use something as a chair ( a log, a chair, a neat rock i found in the forest, a table). picking up the twigs and using them as chopsticks definitely turned them into chopsticks, but theyre not permanently so. thats why we get to an Satre Ontology ™️. things are what we use them as; same way as our purpose is what we make of it. thus, Anything Is A Dildo If You're Brave Enough. if you use it as a dildo, it is a dildo. if you sit on it, it's a chair. mewtwo is because mewtwo said in the second movie:I see now that the circumstances of one's birth is irrelevent,it is what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are.which is basically inline with what satre said and that common idiom
(DIR) Post #ASgOoyxxTvYbpH52bw by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:37:35.187402Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky what terms are you having trouble with? i dont know what clora and cracky r on about either, ive not read debord
(DIR) Post #ASgOpCSvI73Bh4fSBE by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:37:38.695175Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Obviously you don't need to do that here since you're mostly talking to Clora and Rats in this thread and they already seem to have a grasp of what these terms mean, I'm not saying you need to scaffold them just to include me in your discussion, I'm just bemused by where these terms originate from.
(DIR) Post #ASgOpHeS0gF5mH6ELI by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:37:39.441304Z
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@clora @errante @hermit im gonna force you to write an essay explaining whatever it is you mean by that for a project im gonna do in some form or another soon so be thinking about it
(DIR) Post #ASgOqfO7FAH9gW7Ooy by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:37:53.710628Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky im talking to you!
(DIR) Post #ASgOrX81RDUKMF0JEW by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:38:03.130960Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky im trying to find a resolution to my conflict
(DIR) Post #ASgOtT2raefCGzVsqu by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:38:24.912371Z
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@hermit @cracky @errante im bad at saying thingsmy brain works weird so they have the wrong shapes :)thankfully i think i have okay language skills so if i spend enough time building foundations w people i can get a lot of that across
(DIR) Post #ASgOx81dgPZ0EvgbxY by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:39:04.079420Z
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@clora @cracky @errante I'm just remembering Eris' post from a few nights ago about "proletariat" vs "lumpenproletariat" and its similarity to "cereal" vs "asbestos-free cereal," lol.The way I see it, trans women are women. Cis women are women. "Women" is a category that includes both. But they are not the same.
(DIR) Post #ASgOypRpizuDCZkVrk by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:39:22.784504Z
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@errante @cracky @hermit are we talking about sartreyou keep saying satrei havent read either one of these people if they are two people
(DIR) Post #ASgP0gtSV7KnFYYhOK by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:39:41.630210Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit i forgot there was an there
(DIR) Post #ASgP1kR2onp0WXlwGW by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:39:54.813688Z
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@cracky @errante @hermit STEIN WANTS TO REINSTATE CYCLICAL TIME USING PORTRAITS
(DIR) Post #ASgP6bMA05lPoYnmwS by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:40:46.567915Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit sartre is like, an entry point because a lot of people implicitly understand him. he kind of won because his philosophy is like, implicitly accepted > Existentialism is the philosophical belief we are each responsible for creating purpose or meaning in our own lives
(DIR) Post #ASgPDpgt6WXOIZwfRo by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:42:05.268707Z
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@errante @clora @cracky I like to look at the etymology of the words I use in order to see the ways in which their essential meaning has changed over time. A lot of words that we consider synonymous in modern colloquial conversation actually mean different things from each other, and in using them interchangeably we lose the nuance.
(DIR) Post #ASgPEtJR7kzjoxTs3c by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:42:14.028913Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky ok so proles are workers and lumpen proles are Thieves and Prostitute.marx doesn't define them in relation to each other. but he has proles, and then BAD PROLES. which like, frames them in terms of each other. by seeing BAD PROLES, your mind refiles the proles as GOOD PROLES. in the same way that if you went to the cereal aisle in the store, and looked at the cereal, and one of them said Asbestos Free! you'd think that the other cereals have asbestos in them, even if they didnt say as much
(DIR) Post #ASgPUTWykNo8UhFKHQ by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:45:03.597542Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky im not after the nuance! im after the fundamental understanding closer to the soul / heart / mind. the dao de jing is a meandering text, because if it named the concept and was done with it, it'd be pointless and no one would get it.lao tzu takes u on a trip, trying to guide you to the understanding of the concept. he names it, but he doesn't say what it is, he says about it, never pointing directly.my use of the slashes is to say that there's something in the overlap here; that the nuance doesn't *matter*. im after the kernel, the core.
(DIR) Post #ASgPXBZFzTS7ePbW9g by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:45:35.016970Z
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@clora @cracky @errante I can't, because the sentences rely on other words that I don't understand either. Not enough of the words are clear for inference through context to be possible. Besides, it's really obvious that a lot of them (particularly "spectacle") refer to some specific philosopher's notion of something, deferring to dictionary definition or etymology will only give me so many clues.If I said "A reconciled shadow becomes a persona" to someone who wasn't familiar with Jungian psychology, they wouldn't have the slightest fucking clue what I was talking about, they're common words and their Jungian meanings are only vaguely suggested by those words. If I explicitly refused to say "These are Carl Jung's words" and instead started saying things like "It's just how I say things" then they wouldn't even know what to google to find out what I was saying. That's the exact position I'm in here.
(DIR) Post #ASgPjHCqqtAQc6tDMG by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:47:43.103512Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit i also have a pragmatism. things are a certain are the way they are! inevitably so. i hate cars because they ignore this fact, and i hate fridges because they ignore this fact. i also hate quorn mince because it ignores this fact. all of these things stand against The Inevitability Of Reality. fridges try to delay decay, but fermentation works with decay. soya doesn't give off a mixture of fat and muscle juice when fried, but meat does. fridges ignore reality, and quorn is a simulation, not the real.things, in this world view Are As They Are, Inevitably. this is a conflict with Things Are What You Use Them To Be. hope you can see how this applies to transgenderism because this is where i cut off for simple
(DIR) Post #ASgPpNsOxv0L2REjbM by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:48:22.327660Z
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@errante @clora @cracky "dialectical" is one of the words that enrages and triggers me the hardest because the apparent and direct meaning is almost never what someone is actually referring to when they say it, because it's used in Marxism (which fucking LOVES doing this with common words, e.g. "critical.")I'm THIS CLOSE to going on another tirade about the word "God."
(DIR) Post #ASgPqMkid66VqH6xay by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:49:02.631971Z
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@errante @hermit @cracky >if it named the concept and was done with it, it'd be pointless and no one would get it> there's something in the overlap here; that the nuance doesn't *matter*. im after the kernel, the coreim toying with an idea of a common thread here that gets at a lot of things... 17th c. metaphysical conceit, Stein's style (repetition & so forth), cubism & other fragmented forms of representational abstraction, and more. it's a sort of informational-object/rhizomatic process of drawing together by removes, negating away extraneous semantics, narrowing on a thing that is not the sum of its parts by intersection, effectively. carving a sphere by tangent planes.
(DIR) Post #ASgPuErltOLiXeFyuO by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:49:45.461224Z
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@errante @cracky @hermit to be clear by 'toying' i mean developing specific terminology and a prescriptive project for an artistic situationthis is obviously a thing, i just think i have an interesting way of naming and looking at it
(DIR) Post #ASgPws9omQdWyoxCAS by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:50:13.382120Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit bestie. i have no cluenwhat the fuck ur talking about
(DIR) Post #ASgPymMfHx1haps7Zg by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:50:34.718859Z
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@cracky @clora @errante @visualseptica I'm obliged to post it, sorry
(DIR) Post #ASgQ2uASDdMyx67z5E by cracky@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:51:19.461056Z
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@hermit @clora @errante
(DIR) Post #ASgQ3LbgCWBs3M4blg by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:51:24.612654Z
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@errante @cracky @hermit > in this world view Are As They Are, Inevitably. this is a conflict with Things Are What You Use Them To Bethat's very succinct. some things are (in themselves) what you use them to be, in that they are like comprised of final cause in their essence or something, is i think the way i personally resolve this. all things are as they are, but the nature of some things is an instantiation of a meta-category of use
(DIR) Post #ASgQ42fO6bhrbJ8g1A by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:51:31.660313Z
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@errante @clora @cracky @visualseptica Is that even possible in 2023, on a global scale?Perhaps...... billions must die?
(DIR) Post #ASgQAiJkA4NuW4CEl6 by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:52:43.122961Z
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@hermit @cracky @errante @visualseptica >billions must die?'key of history is in the lock'—missed our chances, each one :(
(DIR) Post #ASgQFSLKysLiQ9Cf3o by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:53:35.711996Z
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@cracky @clora @errante Thank you, finally a direct answer!!
(DIR) Post #ASgQTT7urexSuAbiHw by CentaurBreeder@bae.st
2023-02-14T21:55:56.904192Z
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@clora @hermit @cracky @errante @visualseptica billions must die1b94278efcc0ccc223a7c3a951cd6d092cc7ce0a2b16d9adfb2ebecf85e9454a.jpg
(DIR) Post #ASgQXhmOKN0hVZYjke by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T21:56:50.558586Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky @visualseptica lol. you're missing my subtext! ive been repeating a word, pragmatism - my views are practical. i am going to practice them. im going to achieve a reconnect, im going to be an agarian, and im going to open it up so tht ohers can too
(DIR) Post #ASgQbj2zYXEybAF0hE by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T21:57:31.556287Z
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@MercurialBlack @clora Hm, perhaps it really IS that simple. Perhaps the reason I don't feel tortured about my desires or consider them disgusting at all is because I have that human outlet.
(DIR) Post #ASgQphwaSGH1EMudaC by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:00:08.802471Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Basically all of them but tbh I'm pretty tired now and still apparnetly replying to messages from 22 minutes ago, so I'm just gonna bow out
(DIR) Post #ASgQuzshBy3KJHcA3U by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:01:06.204438Z
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@errante @clora @cracky I don't think I UNDERSTAND your conflict
(DIR) Post #ASgR0059s8DaNhpUWG by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:01:57.194491Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky haha. im conflicted between a notion of 'THINGS ARE AS THEY ARE' and 'THINGS ARE WHAT YOU USE THEM AS' and the consequences this has on the concept of Being Transgender
(DIR) Post #ASgR11aBmLTPKBpf8K by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:02:11.463232Z
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@errante @clora @cracky No I know, I understood all that already, I was holding it up as a direct and brilliant example of what I was trying to say re: "women" vs "trans women"
(DIR) Post #ASgR1KRJfYfJoApLRQ by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:02:14.019493Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky awww. dont bow out! i like t see your responses. if theres any terms that stick out to you later, ask! ill do my best to explain them
(DIR) Post #ASgR2exkqlKtkWdPO4 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:02:28.294740Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky ooh, yes, didnt realise that
(DIR) Post #ASgR9cNWrB2tlH0Zto by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:03:43.876016Z
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@errante @clora @cracky But the kernel is often IN the nuance. For example "joy" and "ecstasy" are used interchangably in modern English conversation. "Ekstasis" is gone as a term for "being taken/stepping outside of yourself.""Enthusiasm" and "Passion" are used interchangeably, and thus we have lost the word for "Infusion with the divine spirit, divine inspiration, divine possession."
(DIR) Post #ASgRKFdbkKTQPybDxA by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:05:38.781383Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky yes, but in this case, im trying to get at the fundamental concepts behind these. in the case of the word for infusion with the divine spirit, id use passion / divine possession / propheticism / a bunch of other words that would lead you to the conclusion, and possibly that experience if you had it
(DIR) Post #ASgRLAbRx1cF5n1o0G by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:05:50.011607Z
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@errante @clora @cracky @visualseptica I wish you luck!
(DIR) Post #ASgRV3XP4fc44kqjIm by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:07:36.438407Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Oh, right. Personally I come down firmly on the side of "things are what you use them as." I was discussing this in an animist context yesterday, talking about how the purpose of the clothes peg is usually to hang clothes, but because we use a drying rack, in this house we usually use them for keeping partially consumed bags of food closed for freshness. While talking, I was idly fidgeting with one. It's an object whose purpose is to hang clothes, keep food shut, to be played with - it depends on what I'm doing with it.
(DIR) Post #ASgRb4dJukyZD7UDoG by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:08:42.475862Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Thank you for being so friendly! It's partially just that after doing a quick wiki of the names Cracky mentioned I decided that this was a philosophical framework so rooted in ideas that are unfamiliar to me that it would take a lot of time and energy to really "get." I appreciate your offer of explanation, but I feel you successfully articulated the core of what you were saying to me in the end anyway.
(DIR) Post #ASgRiimb2O2Rl9TK4m by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:10:05.290935Z
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@errante @clora @cracky But those three terms mean different things, I'd say. I'd take "divine possession" as the most direct analogue for "enthusiasm" but it's still not exact, just as there's a difference between "Atman" and "witness-consciousness" (which is why I generally only employ the latter term in order to give a broad idea of what "Atman" means to people who I suspect don't know.)
(DIR) Post #ASgRj9CMpC6LgbjGr2 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:10:06.694185Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky oh, like i said, my terms are unconnected to clora's and cracky's like, i dont... have a philosophical framework explicitly?
(DIR) Post #ASgRoZO0t13wM1lJei by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:11:05.181318Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Sure, but we still borrow the tools we use to explain things from somewhere. I frequently employ terms from both Hinduism and Jungian psychology because they explain something like what I mean, but I don't really subscribe wholly to either framework.
(DIR) Post #ASgRvlOocYi3dfZFpI by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:12:23.512168Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky > But those three terms mean different thingsthats the point :)if you ponder their centre, their overlap, you can arrive at the concept intended.
(DIR) Post #ASgTopXd1QKsMnVmE4 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:33:34.827485Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Divine possession is related to the prophetic experience, but they're not the same thing. A prophet speaks for a god, which could be done without divine possession (albeit in my own ontology, not legitimately,) and someone who is divinely possessed could never speak, or speak on other topics. "Passion" is even further removed, meaning, apparently, "suffering" in the literal sense. If anything I'd say it's plausible (though I can't be bothered to do the requisite investigation) to argue that the usage of "passion" in the modern context of having strong animating feelings about something could potentially be a product of the word being used, for a long time, in relation to Jesus.This particular overlap doesn't make sense to me. "I don't see what passion has to do with enthusiasm." That's a sentence that makes no sense at all in modern colloquial english, but it makes sense here because I've separated the words.Besides, how could someone like me, who is explicitly caught up with trying to separate concepts which I think have been insidiously conflated as part of a literal trap (e.g. "Christ" and "Messiah") ever get on board with trying to distill an innate core between multiple different words like this? In the example I just gave, I thnk considering the two to have an essential overlap, i.e. reducing them to an essential core, only means that when we later refer to this core (especially in a different, less attuned state of mind) we are more likely to fill in the missing context erroneously. (For example, a person whose primary exposure to this concept is through Jesus may fill in the missing information with context regarding being chosen, or even suffering and martyrdom.In addition to this, I'm an advocate of scrutiny. I think the more closely we examine a thing, the more we come to realise the ways in which it is made up of component things that are not quite the same as each other. As a random example based on an object on my desk: sea salt is not rock salt is not "table salt." They are all salt. To say "I like salt" would be true, but "table salt" (the cheap finely granulated salt sold in big bottles by Saxa for example) is my favourite. I don't think I'm achieving anything essential by either deliberately stripping that nuance when conveying my preferences to someone (which is only likely to result in them giving me a type of salt I like less than my preferred type) or trying to put myself in a mindset where "I like salt" is enough.It's not that I'm trying to tell you that your way of working is wrong, I'm intimately familiar with "passing through the eye of the needle" (Peter Carroll, to drop the name of the person whose terminology I'm using here) which requires a kind of reduction to the absolute, the essential, even the inscrutable, and CERTAINLY to the wordless. I'm also intimately familiar with knowing/experiencing something essential which can only be described by its absence or shape, as you say, talking around it without ever directly describing it. I've had to do a LOT of thinking about this lately as a result of conceptualising this book I'm writing. But I appreciate the power of words for their ability to force things into shapes, to categorise, to order, to change by description or even observation. He who picks the words defines.
(DIR) Post #ASgTzEU38rikcTnWhE by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:35:27.741129Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky aye, thats completely fair. i agree that the specifity is neccessary often! but, i tend towards simplicity. im an anti-intellectual. an antipolitician, antiphilosopher. im trying to get people to understand the simple things, as simply as possible
(DIR) Post #ASgUDzqLrAElYcGkzY by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:38:06.046456Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky i can explain all of my political and philosophical positions in a couple of sentences. i can argue for them convincingly at length, and guiding you to how i concluded them is what takes up the length of the discussions. i dont need a book the size of my head, however
(DIR) Post #ASgUPYKZyNqphhv0Vs by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:40:12.212825Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit a recent thing i find is that the more i look at it, the more i like it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YecBv-5JXmQ). the simplicity of my analysis and aims lets me shortcut to a lot of things that people are trying to recreate with their complex analysis and aims and worldviews. a lot of things are just, naturally consequential
(DIR) Post #ASgVfVW2J7hRYnRtrM by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T22:54:18.924159Z
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@errante @clora @cracky Yes, I think any philosophy HAS to be reducable to these succinct and essential tenets in order to be clearly understood, related to, and in order to intrigue and influence others. But also, I think authentic philosophy should describe something essential that holds up to scrutny from any given angle. Part of the reason I'm so unattracted to Marxist philosophy is because it needs "leftist meme" style walls of ant text to explain, and in my opinion that's because it's not describing something authentic or essential whatsoever, it's just a concept-scaffold to a foregone conclusion (see also: Confucianism.)Your position definitely comes as no surprise from a Taoist, because at the centre of it all is one thing, and one thing only: "Dao"
(DIR) Post #ASgVh1CRzZt07H0aNk by clora@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:54:35.026263Z
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@errante @cracky @hermit you posted elephant talk but youre quoting indisciplinelove that album thoughi wonder what hermit would think of 'man with an open heart'(ill read the rest later i need to do work rn)
(DIR) Post #ASgVmJB2a3eNJss5iq by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:55:31.285873Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit yes, i forgot, and i edited the post
(DIR) Post #ASgVpW8QrMo2NQBJmi by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T22:56:07.405334Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky sadly the notions of dao aren't so present, so ive started throwing around terms like INEVITABILITY
(DIR) Post #ASgXlz7zK5Or2wPvY8 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T23:17:54.643294Z
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@clora @cracky @errante I'll give any music you like a try later, right now I'm in voice chat and passively watching a Magic The Gathering match between Runa and Alice so I can't really listen to stuff
(DIR) Post #ASgXvoQpwfKmlkv4ym by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T23:19:40.454272Z
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@errante @clora @cracky I guess what I was trying to say is that the philosophies that attract me stem from a singular wide-eyed "prophetic" (heh) moment of "I KNOW" that cascades into other realisations, all of which are compatible with one another by virtue of their common root, rahter than philosophies where some crying soyjak came to conclusions about how muh society should be structured and then desperately tried to argue for the essentiality of their ideas
(DIR) Post #ASgY08jYPBXytPjoMS by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T23:20:26.350753Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky singular wide-eyed "prophetic" (heh) moment of "I KNOW" that cascades into other realisations, hey, thats me!> conclusions about how muh society should be structured and then desperately tried to argue for the essentiality of their ideasi think this is inevitably also me, but im trying to like, do stuff
(DIR) Post #ASgYAXZEvfXooCsBKi by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T23:22:17.862009Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky an issue i fall into a lot is that language is pretty moralistic. my views are, at least from my perspective, exceedingly pragmatic in nature, in that they follow from a fundamental piece of knowledge: THINGS ARE AS THEY AREand a plan:BEST NOT TO IGNORE IT
(DIR) Post #ASgYI6LzzacmixHjJA by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T23:23:40.649045Z
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@clora @cracky @hermit inevitably stuff like this sounds like moralism. my ought is generally, that this is probably the best thing to do. rather than a divine commandment, an assessment of the scenario
(DIR) Post #ASgYU3PUlKi74NcU8O by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T23:25:52.267615Z
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@errante @clora @cracky I'm not societypilled so I don't need to worry about the second partBut yes, the first part is LITERALLY me and I can even pinpoint exactly when that moment was.
(DIR) Post #ASgYoCew5ICBXxRx6e by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T23:28:13.032060Z
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@errante @clora @cracky I greatly enjoy this.
(DIR) Post #ASgYqHzHFI7GeOxWDo by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-14T23:29:52.602998Z
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@hermit @clora @cracky thats what my entire philosophy and pragma is based on
(DIR) Post #ASgYyE3BlbaCl0Zacq by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T23:30:08.487018Z
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@errante @clora @cracky This is something I feel insulated from by my cognition of the Ishvara (What Atman can known of Brahman, limited by Maya) because it renders *everything* relative but the inscrutable "absolute reality" itself: a single monad.By being naked about this, I can explain my Ishvara all I like to people without worrying about being directly and absolutely prescriptive. In fact, that would be the only thing I could even do to "sin."
(DIR) Post #ASgZSCPmPde2N7QrnE by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-14T23:36:43.648001Z
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@errante @clora @cracky I'd answer in kind with similar brevity but that would be rushing something I want to give more careful thought to, and honestly, that's something I'd really rather just shove in the book.
(DIR) Post #ASjfykXsEYNygx0DK4 by Rasterman@detroitriotcity.com
2023-02-16T11:33:59.964338Z
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@hermit Children will grow up without readding "faggot" and "nigger". They are trying to erase the core Minecraft experience.
(DIR) Post #ASk3ANC7AxFWgtKufY by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-16T15:53:48.483212Z
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@Rasterman SWASTIKA BUILD DETECTED