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(DIR) Post #AScH4Z2W4DZhmgI8VE by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-12T21:50:58Z
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Behold the tale of a Facebook data scientist fired because he refused to run a little test that his bosses demanded ...... in which he'd update Messenger so that it drained some users' batteries fasterThe data scientist accurately noted that this was unethical as hell -- it could literally endanger people who rely on their phone as a lifelineAs @pluralistic notes, it's part of why "feudal security" -- trusting a big tech firm to keep you safe -- never really works: https://medium.com/@doctorow/when-facebook-came-for-your-battery-feudal-security-failed-c8c1e3beb279
(DIR) Post #AScHVTyJ18thsw9q9g by baruch@babka.social
2023-02-12T21:55:21Z
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@clive It’s a tale as old as time.
(DIR) Post #AScHnkfhfME4tLATxY by CassandraZeroCovid@mastodon.social
2023-02-12T21:59:11Z
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@clive @pluralistic Also, how does that help Facebook?
(DIR) Post #AScHuj3k3i8puzjmPA by mckra1g@mastodon.social
2023-02-12T21:59:27Z
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@clive @pluralistic This. It’s infuriating. “The ultimately, irresolvable problem of Feudal Security is that the warlord’s mercenaries will protect you against anyone — except the warlord who pays them.”
(DIR) Post #AScISVa4g6DrxeyAWO by sabogato@sunbeam.city
2023-02-12T22:06:35Z
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@clive @pluralistic this article was the final straw to uninstall all but the essential apps from my phone.
(DIR) Post #AScJvPc42scvnvFL60 by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-12T22:21:35Z
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@sabogato @pluralistic It's a mess, eh
(DIR) Post #AScK1W4qvMFvafcfRo by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-12T22:22:17Z
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@CassandraZeroCovid @pluralistic No idea -- they clearly felt it'd yield some data, somehow? But damned if I can guess what
(DIR) Post #AScK79SJwXOjAWHpyq by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-12T22:22:33Z
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@baruch Very true
(DIR) Post #AScKFui28jbk2UoYMK by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-12T22:21:49Z
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@mckra1g @pluralistic yep yep
(DIR) Post #AScKMF27UMauoJE85g by tracingcovid@mstdn.social
2023-02-12T22:23:39Z
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@clive @pluralistic
(DIR) Post #AScKXXvHb6eCa6Q4G0 by wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org
2023-02-12T22:28:38Z
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@clive @pluralistic I couldn't read this on Medium (only the first paragraph was available), but it's on the Pluralistic website too: https://pluralistic.net/2023/02/05/battery-vampire/
(DIR) Post #AScLYgTJOlUvL4RVhI by pgs@aus.social
2023-02-12T22:41:15Z
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@cliveAdding this to the list of reasons I refuse to have Facebook apps on my phone.@pluralistic
(DIR) Post #AScMOadWL5k8Iby6Nc by polyna@toot.community
2023-02-12T22:50:38Z
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@clive @pluralistic And yet we’re living in a world where Zuckerberg is hailed as a forward-thinking visionnaire, while Stallman is denigrated as an unreasonable extremist. Guess which one was proven here right – again?
(DIR) Post #AScMxS9TsOKw7WXdia by infosec_jcp@infosec.exchange
2023-02-12T22:56:59Z
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@clive @pluralistic I thot that when Mark said, 'dumbfscks don't trust him (users to Meta' was telling a d cade plus ago but wot do I know? 🤦♂️🤭😆
(DIR) Post #AScNEgHCcB6GqkMt1s by infosec_jcp@infosec.exchange
2023-02-12T22:59:17Z
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@clive @pluralistic I thot that when Mark said, 'dumbfscks don't trust him (users of Meta's services') .... was a telling quote he said of Facebook Public Messenger (due to eDiscovery!) a decade plus ago.... but wot do I know? /$ 🤦♂️🤭😆
(DIR) Post #AScP3uNI3d8BIVCs8e by smpaley@universeodon.com
2023-02-12T23:20:11Z
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@clive @pluralistic Why couldn't they just test whatever they wanted to test on their own in-house phones?
(DIR) Post #AScR9kNeKQaTwlHpJo by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-12T23:42:51Z
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@smpaley @pluralistic no damn clue
(DIR) Post #AScRHR7Vp06WWqPAtE by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-12T23:43:51Z
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@polyna @pluralistic yepMy sense is that, the deeper he digs into this metaverse money pit, the less Zuckerberg is seen as a visionary these days, even by his admirers
(DIR) Post #AScTmWzWF7MxcgcZSy by Citizenkahn@tech.lgbt
2023-02-13T00:13:22Z
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@clive @pluralistic @Citizenkahn thanks. Boosted, shared, and then cleanup up a bunch of apps. Apps are convenient but for most things I can just use a browser. I got safari and Firefox. Firefox gets the untrusted (I stopped using Facebook after the sms collection thing happened a few years back) and safari gets the slightly more trusted.
(DIR) Post #ASccZApqCryyjJneYS by Katrags@mastodon.ie
2023-02-13T01:50:39Z
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@clive @pluralistic Deleting Facebook in 2016 was one of the best decisions in my life- up there with going to college.
(DIR) Post #AScdYNEUj820qSVuim by wasootch@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-02-13T02:02:51Z
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@clive @pluralistic I'm still very weirded out by this.
(DIR) Post #AScfePX1ID9JcXBXsm by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T02:26:25Z
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@Katrags @pluralistic I've heard the same thing from many other folks!
(DIR) Post #AScfu8UwOHoXQQi9VQ by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T02:26:35Z
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@grant_bailey @pluralistic alas, yes
(DIR) Post #AScfzMf59sRQnhwpIO by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T02:25:56Z
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@wasootch @pluralistic Understandably
(DIR) Post #ASci1bgoSJUZtdxE9Y by wasootch@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-02-13T02:51:50Z
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@clive @pluralistic It's just such a weird thing for them to do. Like such a sinister thing. Like did they think they could get someone to pay for them to kill a particular user's phone battery?
(DIR) Post #ASckGLD8CmuL2aDz96 by arvrrob@twit.social
2023-02-13T03:17:39Z
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@clive @pluralistic Obviously, they have no IRB. 🤦♂️
(DIR) Post #AScn1GAixOXAvpbC7s by Meryem_Fuat@toad.social
2023-02-13T03:49:01Z
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@clive @pluralistic After reading this a few days ago, I've deleted FB, IG, and Messenger from my phone.
(DIR) Post #ASco5ecM6uI9rSBNdg by steveinashland@sfba.social
2023-02-13T04:01:00Z
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@clive @pluralistic Also, skip the apps--use a browser instead.And skip using any Meta products entirely.
(DIR) Post #AScrIGiqZ0FPNVvRMu by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T04:36:56Z
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@arvrrob @pluralistic Clearly
(DIR) Post #AScrQnHVOThQfuCZhA by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T04:37:34Z
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@pluralistic @wasootch I want to read more about the goals of that experiment
(DIR) Post #ASctosoafgM0hBI8PI by wasootch@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-02-13T05:05:15Z
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@clive @pluralistic Supposedly it was to test how power-hungry parts of the app were? But is that really the only way you do that? Strange anyway.
(DIR) Post #AScvHsZ4mSK0GtQPWy by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T05:21:43Z
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@wasootch @pluralistic Yeah, and frankly if you're wondering what the performance is like on multiple different types of phones, there are companies you can pay to run those tests on opt-in paid user-bases -- thousands of phonesThat's the ethical way to do it
(DIR) Post #ASd9OlCZx7ZEoz4rmS by reneestephen@mastodon.social
2023-02-13T07:59:46Z
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@clive one of MANY reasons why I refuse to use social media via their apps, and only use them in web browsers (and only in specific web browsers, with settings I manage and adjust.) @pluralistic
(DIR) Post #ASdLprblRQOFxUY2S0 by jobook@social.vivaldi.net
2023-02-13T10:18:40Z
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@clive @pluralistic https://ai.googleblog.com/2020/09/the-technology-behind-our-recent.htmlthis blog post above also plays into more ethical questions of when big tech owns knowledge on peoples safety at scale. what could possibly go wrong?!
(DIR) Post #ASdMeLxcrhfWZgqh4y by escapadesrpg@mastodonapp.uk
2023-02-13T10:28:19Z
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@clive @smpaley @pluralistic to get real behavioural data.Your phone is likely stuffed with cookies that will feed back a TON of other info seemingly 100% unrelated to Fakebook OR battery life, but potentially interesting to sell you more stuff and/or get even more data from you in future.@pluralistic
(DIR) Post #ASdWKpGJDGQxCWunNg by corewill@mastodon.online
2023-02-13T12:16:47Z
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@clive @pluralistic This seems more than likely to be true. I would like to see more coverage about this topic in the Verge and other popular newsletters/magazines.. I hope they also publicize this info.
(DIR) Post #ASdYYHmChxZPJHNbFI by Divinin2000@mastodon.world
2023-02-13T12:41:37Z
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@clive @pluralistic Why would anyone rely on an entertainment platform as a “lifeline” ?
(DIR) Post #ASdZZp5CSeFYqrYtE0 by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T12:53:08Z
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@Divinin2000 @pluralistic The phone is the lifeline here, not Facebook … if the phone dies too early because of Facebook’s little experiment, that can be a big problem for people in countries where their phone is a key connector to work, family, etc
(DIR) Post #ASdjpRUcw08JrcXe3k by wasootch@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-02-13T14:47:25Z
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@clive @pluralistic Exactly.
(DIR) Post #ASdqcQSe9wJ4ZtM7CS by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T16:03:05Z
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@lispi314 @pluralistic Agreed
(DIR) Post #ASdw81ovo7K7C5fSoi by dantheclamman@scicomm.xyz
2023-02-13T17:05:46Z
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@clive @pluralistic Facebook apps generally run terribly on my phone. Instagram doesn't scale correctly to my screen, gets stuck after posting a story needing reset. The other day I discovered posting multiple pictures is just broken entirely. FB has become too sprawling to maintain QAQC
(DIR) Post #ASe4ftNsTllaVZfjeK by sirHermitCroneofHHT@mstdn.ca
2023-02-13T18:41:05Z
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@clive @pluralistic Oh another reason to leave Facebook, glad I left in 2019!
(DIR) Post #ASeBj8znainFTUuIvg by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T20:00:00Z
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@sirHermitCroneofHHT @pluralistic indeed
(DIR) Post #ASeBql9M8KtNpp0bM8 by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T20:00:34Z
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@dantheclamman @pluralistic I confess I don't much use it myself
(DIR) Post #ASeCBwyTMiwUaa1Soy by dantheclamman@scicomm.xyz
2023-02-13T20:02:27Z
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@clive @pluralistic I only use them when there's no alternative to keep in touch with family
(DIR) Post #ASeCNGjsDoNf4aaiWm by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-13T20:05:17Z
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@dantheclamman @pluralistic Same, more or less
(DIR) Post #ASeNRcy4cEa6fYVvdY by Divinin2000@mastodon.world
2023-02-13T22:11:50Z
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@clive @pluralistic If the phone is used as a phone, there is no vulnerability. Only if it’s used as a tool to access an entertainment media does it become an issue.