Post ASc2JkVSDYHkNYbrXM by Bringiton@musician.social
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(DIR) Post #ASbuhGhHtpljFCqfxI by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T17:32:30Z
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Most pathetic thing I've seen in a long time:Rude: https://mastodon.ie/@thelifeofsharks/109761670398817826Whiny: https://mastodon.ie/@thelifeofsharks/109762202453480568Imagine punishing visually impaired people like this *because* people asked you not to. They act like they were "going to do it anyway™ if people would just shut up", but if they were already doing it, no one would have complained in the first place.The fragility they have around being asked to be decent... deeply cringe.So I guess if you don't want to do alt text, just blame others!
(DIR) Post #ASbuhHEbtwQKuYRHtY by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-12T17:41:10Z
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@Fawn sadly the state of things. Yeah we get critism can be hurtful and people need to stop taking it too personally, a lot of the time it's only in an attempt to improve not put down.
(DIR) Post #ASbv1j6I0TBv7wIXy4 by InayaShujaat@mastodon.nz
2023-02-12T17:40:04Z
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@Fawn I’ve reported them for being anti alt-text. Let’s see what happens.
(DIR) Post #ASbv1jiDjRX51a2q5g by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-12T17:44:50Z
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@InayaShujaat @Fawn please don't file reports for stuff like this.Requiring alt-text is not in the rules of mastodon.ie, they are:Don't Be A BalloxNo bigotry, racism, xenophobia, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-Traveller speech or any hate speech.No unsolicited DMsJust making extra work for everyone.
(DIR) Post #ASbvIpqMBnsGxm0IwC by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T17:47:56Z
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@paul @InayaShujaat Did you read the first rule or nah?Seems to apply to life of sharks. It's very unkind to weaponize marginalized groups of people
(DIR) Post #ASbwBEvd8jGoOtPdwm by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-12T17:57:48Z
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@Fawn @InayaShujaat not sure how it would apply, or how any moderator could action that based on the rules.Please explain, does "ballox" mean something different?
(DIR) Post #ASbwXWyaienakHQWQq by InayaShujaat@mastodon.nz
2023-02-12T18:01:44Z
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@paul @Fawn Well, it IS a rule on my instance.You should try to fight the male urge to tell women what they should and shouldn’t do. 😑
(DIR) Post #ASbxfSxnceXaZSP7BY by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T18:14:26Z
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@paul It means don't be a dick. It's a dick move (understatement) to deprive people of accessibility just because your feelings are hurt and your time is "wasted".Do you really want to be on the side of life of sharks right now? Did you look at their posts? Is that your ally?
(DIR) Post #ASbxg5ucoOAtMuDd9U by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-12T18:14:33Z
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@InayaShujaat @Fawn but they're not on your instance...If you want to ban or mute them feel free, but don't be so authoritarian that you try and stop the other 8000 odd people on your instance from interacting with them by attempting to get them de-federated. Seriously?I'll ignore the sexist ad hominem you made. Frankly your gender did not enter my thoughts at all until you brought it up.
(DIR) Post #ASbxsqwPmkbYhW8jGC by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-12T18:16:53Z
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@Fawn I add alt-text to all my posts and would encourage others to do so.That doesn't mean I support bullying and harassing someone and reporting posts.
(DIR) Post #ASbxtHVkzyK96esJxQ by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T18:16:57Z
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@paul @InayaShujaat Fucking yikes, dude. Get out of here. You don't understand sexism, the fediverse, disability advocacy, authoritarianism, or when to shut up lmao
(DIR) Post #ASby1IthjDmviqtxmi by InayaShujaat@mastodon.nz
2023-02-12T18:18:23Z
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@paul @Fawn I can still report them. And ignore all you want. Facts are facts. Stop policing me.
(DIR) Post #ASbyJFh6NQ2504Z7AG by InayaShujaat@mastodon.nz
2023-02-12T18:21:38Z
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@paul @Fawn It’s not bullying someone to ask that they be considerate. What an incredibly odd take, and what a horrible hill you’re choosing to die on today.
(DIR) Post #ASbyJxI8HcCgDNDnM0 by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T18:21:43Z
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@paul White men have such a loose definition of bullying and harassing. One day as anything other than CHWM and you'd need a fainting couch.Listen, comrades don't defend abusers. Your bio is a lie.You're fine with ignoring life of sharks' abuse, but you police Inaya's actions. Ask yourself why that is.Why don't you go to life of sharks and advocate for the visually impaired the way you advocated for life of sharks against Inaya?Misogyny is the answer.
(DIR) Post #ASbyua6dRtOZ1MJBE8 by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T18:28:22Z
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@paul You said you "would encourage others to do so".So go do it. Was that a lie? That's not something you can do in private inside your head. Go encourage life of sharks to add alt text like you promised.Either do that and stick to your values, or accept your "values" are just things you wish other people saw in you without you actually having to do the hard work.stg CHWM use "values" as a list of keywords they want others to associate with them for no reason, not actionable rules.
(DIR) Post #ASbz7Iy4TmM3dHMyv2 by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-12T18:30:42Z
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@Fawn I'm not defending anyone.I said "please don't report for stuff like this" i.e. things not explicitly against the instances' rules.If you want to disagree with that fine.
(DIR) Post #ASc2AHzyq4uzMFNS7c by Bringiton@musician.social
2023-02-12T19:04:33Z
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@paul Bingo. If the rules do not state that we must use alt text then why should anyone be reprimanded for not doing so. Is Mastodon going to be a place of forced inclusion? That makes no sense at all. I really don't care for those people who want to do "good things" just so that someone can say "Hey you are doing good things"... If you feel the need to do something then just do it. Not because you are then going to pat yourself on the back for it.Bullying and harassing is not the way to go.
(DIR) Post #ASc2JkVSDYHkNYbrXM by Bringiton@musician.social
2023-02-12T19:06:33Z
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@paul And right now someone is harassing you for your opinion. All while they pat themselves on the back. Seems to be a bit of a problem with that here. I have run into it before.Thank you for expressing your opinion, which I agree with 100%.
(DIR) Post #ASc2aMSYsLymirB61o by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T18:33:43Z
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@paul You said a lot of things. Sounds like you only intend for the things you say to apply to others, your subordinates. Your rules aren't for YOU to follow. Just us women and disabled folks. The inferiors.Go *encourage* life of sharks.It's a verb, not an incantation.
(DIR) Post #ASc2aMzssSdOOClhy4 by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-12T19:09:32Z
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@Fawn I don't think thats a fair statement to make about me.Do you honestly think me piling into Life of Sharks would make any difference right now? I don't.He's on the defensive and when people are put into a defensive position they're not gonna change - if anything they'll double down on their position like they've already demonstrated.
(DIR) Post #ASd6eqK6Nas9TYZcNk by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-12T18:31:50Z
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@paul Encouraging others to do so is not something you can do just by saying "I encourage you to do so". If you think you can convince life of sharks, be my guest. I would love that. That would be ideal. But it implies you didn't read their posts where they explicitly tell everyone that approach has not and will not work on them.Or maybe you think they listen to white men for some reason. Or you have never been defied, "so why would you be defied this time?"I'm curious now.
(DIR) Post #ASd6eqnAdW7mviApgu by mae@tsukihi.me
2023-02-13T00:48:27Z
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@paul she's got you dead to rights there paul, i'm sorry but this is really funny, i hope you understand@Fawn
(DIR) Post #ASd6erOkNoBMoFkqGG by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-13T07:29:50Z
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@mae no I don't understand to be honest, I just see people assuming a lot of stuff about me.There are plenty of examples of me engaging with people going back 25 years on why alt-text is a good idea. I used to work as a web developer, alt-text is everywhere.But there's no point joining a massive pile on session with someone who is not currently in the mindset to engage and won't be until at least several days or weeks. Others encouraging that are borderline harassing and bullying.
(DIR) Post #ASd74ui4h0FObsDa6a by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-13T07:34:38Z
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@mae no I don't understand to be honest, I just see people assuming a lot of stuff about me.There are plenty of examples of me engaging with people going back 25 years on why alt-text is a good idea. I used to work as a web developer.But there's no point joining a massive pile on session with someone who is not in the mindset to engage and won't be now for a while.Others encouraging that are borderline harassing and bullying and worse just ineffective at getting someone to add alt-text.
(DIR) Post #ASd7Mgsoq3dAwJiiqe by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-13T07:37:50Z
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@mae no I don't understand to be honest, I just see people assuming stuff about me.There are plenty of examples of me engaging with people going back 25 years on why alt-text is a good idea. I used to work as a web developer.But there's no point joining a massive pile on session with someone who is not in the mindset to engage and won't be now for a while.Others encouraging that are borderline harassing and bullying and they're just completely ineffective at achieving the desired result.
(DIR) Post #ASd7iCD7YiuqBITG3k by mae@tsukihi.me
2023-02-13T07:41:43Z
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@paul this started as someone politely asking for alt text to be included, which was then rudely dismissed, and that caused a small pile on.you have the harm backwards here, you see the pile on as awful, but fail to recognise the harm being done to disabled people thru their exclusion from culture and society.you're essentially advocating for people to not speak up because it might make someone who isn't disabled upset.
(DIR) Post #ASd8E7ANqfc5ntPW2y by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-13T07:47:30Z
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@mae no I'm not, stop assuming my position.I'm merely pointing out piling in on someone when they're already worked up over something - wrongly so, as I said in my very first comment, is just a completely ineffective strategy to get someone to change their behaviour.And now when you try and talk to them about alt-text they're just going to have an emotional reaction due to previous pile ons.Bullying and harassment is not acceptable and just won't work at getting them to add alt-text.
(DIR) Post #ASd8OOpX1w1RTyYs7c by mae@tsukihi.me
2023-02-13T07:49:21Z
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@paul they had an emotional reaction and dismissed the needs of disabled people and got socially shamed for it, calling this bullying and harassment indicates to me you've experienced neither
(DIR) Post #ASd8xAl9KvZfyj5ocS by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-13T07:55:37Z
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@mae yep they did.Question is how do we get them to come around to the position of wanting to add alt-text?I say calm, gradual thoughtful dialogue over a long period of time, they're clearly not the sort of person that'll do an about-face, as they've already shown by doubling down on their position.Not pile ons.And again assuming stuff about me.
(DIR) Post #ASd9F2bCPpy9sixVwG by mae@tsukihi.me
2023-02-13T07:58:51Z
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@paul then do that, in the mean time you're telling people affected by his shitty attitude to shut up.why do you see that as worse than what he did in the first place?
(DIR) Post #ASd9XPu2VkoVMzX8wC by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-02-13T08:02:11Z
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@mae I'm not saying shut up, if people wanna pile on that's up to them.I'm also not saying its worse than what he did, or his reaction.I'm saying piling on is a bad strategy and winds up being totally ineffective.
(DIR) Post #ASd9gRjn3jMDfN2ri4 by mae@tsukihi.me
2023-02-13T08:03:48Z
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@paul so it comes down to this: you didn't like their tone.
(DIR) Post #ASd9mBmFJQqnu4vqxk by Fawn@ohai.social
2023-02-13T08:04:50Z
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@paul @mae Welcome back. Here's what you missed while you were gone:https://ohai.social/@Fawn/109853180060028104" But it implies you didn't read their posts where they explicitly tell everyone that approach has not and will not work on them.Or maybe you think they listen to white men for some reason. Or you have never been defied, "so why would you be defied this time?" "" Is that your ally? "https://ohai.social/@Fawn/109853400936418424
(DIR) Post #ATXE315KHGBCYn9IJM by paul@mstdn.dasmirnov.net
2023-03-12T09:16:31Z
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@Fawn right its been about a month, let's see if Sharks is adding alt-text now, after I said encouraging a pile on, bullying etc wouldn't work.Oh their account is gone, so what happened...The Life of Sharks went back to Twitter to 6x as many followers and of course no alt-text.And then said to everyone "Mastodon is worse than Twitter, if that’s even possible. So we’re going to post here again." when asked why they replied [the] "users".24,000 people saw that post.