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(DIR) Post #ASXqfGTSRvYHOcRE00 by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-09T15:53:12Z
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That's an important take on the verifiability of AI.I'm not terribly concerned about getting back a wrong answer from, say, ChatGPT because I don't trust Google or MSFT to offer me answers that I don't verify on my own.When you're taking information from multiple sources -- as AI is want to do -- it's the same sort of thing we do. How do we come to know things? How do we properly credit what we've come to internally colonize as our own thought and view on the world?#AI #Learning #Knowing
(DIR) Post #ASXqfIOvHl73N8KdCy by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-10T01:14:02Z
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@david Was reading about the Google AI mistake and thought what if it wasn't a mistake at all, but a problem with context. I'm paraphrasing but the question was what new things has the James Webb Telescope discovered and one answer was pictures of the first planet outside of our solar system. A European telescope did that 20 years ago....BUT, it would have been a first for the Webb telescope. In that context the answer would be valid....a pipe cleaner and a strand of yarn look similar.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfIz57K2JBHFVZI by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T13:21:11Z
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@marleybits39 @david It's the same problem, really, with *any* google search. It ignores what you know are the important key words and instead just grabs anything even remotely related that's 1) boosted for pay, 2) from a high traffic website, or 3) common words easy to find and probably already indexed. They're greedy & lazy. You can't find anything on google anymore due to the incredible amount of garbage it returns. Therefore their AI is doomed to be stupid. Even if their searches were good, recognizing patterns of words is still not *understanding* words and all their nuances. That's why google gives you nonsense completion suggestions. It's just mimicking. It can't look at the patterns of the sources it pulls from and see that they're misinformation or humor. It can't even look at the searches you've been doing to see what you're trying to find. Everything is essentially one-off. Human understanding is cumulative. We know a bad actor in one area is not trustworthy in other areas.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfJQjSW9cZ2BafQ by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-10T13:25:33Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 Yes, those are wonderful and insightful thoughts -- but Google exists, as does Bing and ChatGPT and we have to find a way to survive in the world with them spinning around us.I'm old enough to know how hard it was to find anything reliable, or truthful, without spending hours in a physical library. Having "the world in your keyboard" is such a fantastic reality that I have a hard time condemning it. I understand access to information costs money and/or privacy.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfJu9h7gq2Hx5Wq by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-10T14:52:19Z
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@david @ShekinahCanCook It really comes down to being able to understand the limitations if AI and adapt in order to utilize AI. David has a wonderful and colorful way of utilizing AI and I don't understand how that could be "flawed", even if AI uses yarn instead of the implied pipe cleaner, it's still a striking piece of work. It's a case of don't let the imperfect hinder the good. Computers are simply on off switches and good for logical deduction not nuance.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfKRThELRhdXhT6 by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T14:58:36Z
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@marleybits39 @david The point is they're not actually good at logical deduction if the dataset is manipulated by misinformation, inherent biases, profit motive, and outright falsehoods that are widespread on the internet.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfKr0AKlGynU5Fg by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-10T15:06:37Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @david That's true for all reasoning and deduction though. I totally agree that the veracity of the data set is crucial to accurate outcomes. But we're talking about two different problems, manipulation of fact and the ability of a machine to process information like a human. I believe that AI will eventually get there because I believe our brains are indeed a form of chemically driven on off switches....that has the ability to learn and remember nuance. AI will catch up.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfLNyBl8Id2uPdg by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-10T15:09:25Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @david I think the bigger problem with AI will be one of morality and ethics will be in conflict with logic. The logical answer isn't always the moral answer as we all know.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfLrOQMfW6IfuV6 by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-10T15:15:12Z
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@marleybits39 @ShekinahCanCook That makes a lot of sense. Morality tends to be rubbery for some, so see which will bends what way will be a fascination!
(DIR) Post #ASXqfMNeUQTNiLlfma by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T15:57:21Z
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@david @marleybits39 What AI needs is some sort of "3 laws of robotics" ala Asimov, but there's no way the profiteers who are developing AI will do that (until it's too late, and then it won't be possible). AI need to prioritize human needs over predatory capitalism, rational science and equality for all over white nationalism and christo-fascism (or any religious ideology), etc and so on. And the people funding AI development don't want that. So it's drawing from a deeply flawed dataset AND it will be programmed by people who completely ignore basic human rights in favor of class balkanization and the very false idea of western cultural superiority. Every textbook it reads from in the US will be a white-washed history that completely skews the reality that Native Americans, African Americans, and other minorities experience daily. It is literally not possible to make good or moral decisions using false history and false ideologies. And the internet is full of those.
(DIR) Post #ASXqfMwkNwXtTCBhU8 by rbos@mastodon.novylen.net
2023-02-10T18:33:05Z
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@ShekinahCanCook One thing to keep in mind about Asimov's laws is that his entire story series was about why those laws don't work: no simple set of rules can encapsulate all behaviour. It's not true for robots any more than it is for humans. With this reading in mind, Asimov's robots make more sense: he put up some pins just to knock them down.
(DIR) Post #ASY3CmxhscuTA5L3om by AmIBlue@freeradical.zone
2023-02-10T17:42:01Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @david @marleybits39 lol -- was talking about this with my husband last night... and his first response was literally to repeat Asimov's laws.But we also need the zeroth law: A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.You're right about the difficulties of getting anywhere near this, because of who is funding the research. All you need to know here is that Shell Oil lied about climate change for DECADES.
(DIR) Post #ASY3CnUfu3HUoKlOCm by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T18:05:33Z
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@AmIBlue @david @marleybits39 And as long as the republican controlled govt and judges let that slide, nothing will change. The bigger problem is environmental collapse won't stay in a box. It affects everyone, not just the greedy people.
(DIR) Post #ASY3CnvyGZ7EAzXBke by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-10T18:19:59Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @AmIBlue @marleybits39The environment might be the one last thing that saves us from ourselves. There's going to be a time when it has to be faced, or else!
(DIR) Post #ASY3CoezZB80Qcb8vQ by AmIBlue@freeradical.zone
2023-02-10T18:26:31Z
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@david @ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 My only consolation (also my biggest worry, for my kids/grandkids) is that will be esp true in the deepest red parts of the country. If we continue on this track, in 20 yrs, Austin will be largely uninhabitable--extended periods of time where temps are 120F-135F. (I thought Phoenix was bad!) Red states will be screwed.It's also clear that some of the smarter Republicans are aware of this & are solidifying control now, while they can. Fascism in action.
(DIR) Post #ASY3CpKp3eaYWMAY7s by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-10T18:28:12Z
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@AmIBlue @ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 If the Reasonable Right would just stand up, they would overwhelm the crazy. They'll have to do it sooner, but I think they're scared of a living Trump, and that means we all have to wait for some sense of normalcy to return.
(DIR) Post #ASY3CpmTOqhru76dE0 by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T19:55:56Z
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@david @AmIBlue @marleybits39 I don't think the old normal is ever going to return. I just came back from the store, and I saw that my tarragon is coming up, as well as some buttercups in the yard. In the middle of February. In zone 7b. They'll die, of course, when the next freeze hits. The last several years all our fruit trees have budded early and then the buds have been killed off by cold snaps, so we have not gotten more fruit than a few handfuls. And if that's happening to home gardeners, it's certainly happening to commercial growers. The food shortages are coming eventually, and then the right wing crazies will be out in force, with guns, robbing people, saying it's a conspiracy or some such nonsense, and feeling they're entitled to take what they want. Honestly, it would be great if the US broke up before then. So they'd be stuck in their Somolia-style dystopia alone.
(DIR) Post #ASY3CqEphPOLK4NHQe by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-10T19:59:13Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @david @AmIBlue I've actually given that a lot of thought. I live in an unincorporated part of the county and I have a well. It's my most important resource. That's what people will want when the utilities go down. It actually gives me reason to stay put.
(DIR) Post #ASY3CqmVgCKX0W8AvA by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-10T20:20:32Z
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@marleybits39 @ShekinahCanCook @AmIBlue Why prepare when you have Prepper friends who will prepare for you?
(DIR) Post #ASY3CrIlkG8OcZDwCe by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-10T20:38:39Z
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@david @ShekinahCanCook @AmIBlue Why even prepare for such a miserable existence? I turned 65 last year, a good number of close friends have passed in the last few years, others gone by the wayside for political reasons, and I have no children and my wife passed. My sole responsibility is taking care of my senior dogs. My life so far has been a pretty fulfilling ride and I totally enjoy retirement...but, I have no interest being the last standing in an apocalypse and what that entails.
(DIR) Post #ASY4b9k2wApWiR8GUC by OlDude82@mstdn.party
2023-02-10T21:10:16Z
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@david @AmIBlue @ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 Can't really agree with that. I think that they're aware that without the crazys & the gerrymandering there would be little chance of ANY Republicans getting elected to national government & their "way of life" would be subjugated to the despised liberals. Conservatism, white supremacy, and Christofascism go hand in hand. The "reasonable right" has faded away.
(DIR) Post #ASY4dVmDyxK5dTH49Q by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-10T20:43:21Z
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@marleybits39 @ShekinahCanCook @AmIBlue Those are fascinating facts and I thank you for sharing them! We have similar and parallel pathways!I think there's the game. It's all a game to them. Last one standing. King of the Hill. Last human alive. That's their angle. That's their game. If you want to survive, you have to disappear, be invisible and let no one know you were ever alive. That's how you make it to the end fire.
(DIR) Post #ASY4dWGMAvQT8vN87M by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T20:54:03Z
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@david @marleybits39 @AmIBlue They think they can control the fire, but it will run wild.
(DIR) Post #ASY4dWqW0ULix4I0Tg by david@boles.xyz
2023-02-10T21:00:01Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 @AmIBlue They'll welcome the fire -- mistaking it for a sign of the rapture.
(DIR) Post #ASY4dXUDcs6mwCriMa by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T21:04:25Z
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@david @marleybits39 @AmIBlue Lols, there will be some poetic justice to see them whining about the rapture not happening when they literally have no food, water, or escape from devastating weather, or real plagues.Side note: Covid was just a warning shot across the bow. Eventually we'll have something that kills 30% instead of 3% and I have no doubt republicans will still refuse to mask or get vaccines. On the upside, there will be a lot less of them after that.
(DIR) Post #ASaP85tEnUvPqzE3xA by AmIBlue@freeradical.zone
2023-02-11T23:17:40Z
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@david @ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 Been thinking about this since yesterday. Libraries reflect the biases of those who create them. (Why the sources I found for a HS "research" paper all insisted slavery wasn't bad for slaves--haunts me to this day.) Hard science and history both require not just "fact" but interpretation & the elimination of bias by intent.So how DO we as humans teach AI to be better? It's hugely difficult at best--look at Google's early results trying to hire with AI.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL2JP0LF12OUPpo by OlDude82@mstdn.party
2023-02-11T02:13:34Z
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@david @AmIBlue @ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 Convince me that "conservative Democrat" isn't an oxymoron. I can't conceive of how a person could hew to the Democratic platform and at the same time be "conservative".
(DIR) Post #ASbdL2ntAzcyYwklM0 by WJJH@mastodon.online
2023-02-11T06:25:07Z
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@OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue @ShekinahCanCook @marleybits39 The Democratic party suggest it’s a big tent platform. Nothing wrong with having fiscal conservative “John Locke” liberal views and to believe in self-responsibility, self-reliance and balanced budgets, instead of the spend and pay later views.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL3LDB6HaEILNIG by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-11T13:48:34Z
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@WJJH @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue @marleybits39It's a matter of priorities. As a social liberal, fiscal conservative I do believe we should only spend what we take in. But we should be taxing the rich a lot more, we should not be subsidizing for-profit industries, and we should not be expecting taxpayers to cough up money for imperialism when their basic needs aren't being met. And yes, it is in fact govt's responsibility to make sure everyone's basic human rights to food/water, housing, utilities, and medical care are provided, regardless of ability to pay. And of course, nobody's religious beliefs should be legislated or imposed on the public - and such laws against lgbtq folks, against women's autonomy, against POC and non-christians et al are absolutely unconstitutional at every level of govt: city, county, state, or federal. We are not and have never been "a christian nation." The bush and trump tax cuts are an abomination and should be repealed. I want Eisenhower era rates.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL41kcwJIMEFLbE by WJJH@mastodon.online
2023-02-11T14:45:32Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue @marleybits39 As someone who grew up in the 1960's in Europe I am not very enthusiastic about the Eisenhower tax rates or the excessive taxation we had in Europe. Neither about wealth tax and the attacks against personal achievements. Taxation must be balanced and fair, but but “fair” is an elusive term and the principles of taxation are controversial and have been discussed through history and terms and objectives has been interpreted differently.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL4VsouPfrgLPZA by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-11T15:02:49Z
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@WJJH @ShekinahCanCook @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue Fair is an elusive term. We're all born into this world the same yet some are born with wealth and some without. Fair? When a person is born they don't have an equal right to the world's resources that they were born into, only partly because of my first point. Fair?From that point forward "fair" is really a joke
(DIR) Post #ASbdL4w7FNOfB2cMSG by WJJH@mastodon.online
2023-02-11T15:22:11Z
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@marleybits39 @ShekinahCanCook @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue True, life is not fair, but my remark referenced to fair taxation. Interesting these differences in life start at an early age, evidenced by the fact that a child which is raised by educated parents hears up to 3000 words a day, a child from a single parent hears around 800 words. With the US percentage of single parents at a level of 25 %, being the highest in the world, this can be hardly be viewed as a positive development.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL5MLfqNeUOtJLM by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-11T15:41:50Z
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@WJJH @ShekinahCanCook @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue Agreed...that's why we need to focus on educating everyone. Most single parents work, sometimes 2 jobs so quality time with kids are reduced. Would society as a whole be better subsidizing education, think being paid to attend school, as an investment in the future to correct what we all agree is an unsustainable inefficient system?
(DIR) Post #ASbdL5rXnrKm39UDy4 by WJJH@mastodon.online
2023-02-11T15:48:00Z
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@marleybits39 @ShekinahCanCook @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue This are complicated issues and inequality goes back to the times of the Roman Republic. I have made a some scribblings about this and the US as a civilized society on my bloghttps://wjjh.blog/2021/09/23/a-house-divided-against-itself-cannot-stand/
(DIR) Post #ASbdL6N5uYZTd0FQ92 by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-11T16:21:14Z
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@WJJH @ShekinahCanCook @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue Excellent read. I generally agree with you analysis although being a glass half full guy believe we'll straighten this out. It will require open minds and humility however. "The answer to these issues is not more collectivism at the cost of individualism, but austerity measures and reasonable tax increases which hardly can be avoided."I believe our expectations of individualism is the root cause of a lot of our issues.Insightful article.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL6nKL1YSwMWN28 by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-11T21:03:36Z
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@marleybits39 @WJJH @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue Austerity is exterminating the poor, elderly, and disabled by other means. Anyone advocating it is a right winger.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL7IWT2VaV77Heq by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-11T21:29:58Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @WJJH @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue Not when it's corporate austerity....which is where I would take the conversation. There are utilities, railroads and airlines, petrochemical not to mention a host of other industries taking subsidies they can't justify. And there is waste in social programs, that's why billions in COVID relief went to scammers. We need to reign it all in.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL7vA9NPuQxC8sy by ShekinahCanCook@universeodon.com
2023-02-11T21:36:35Z
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@marleybits39 @WJJH @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue Agree completely, but congress's Wall St leash holders will pull out all the stops to prevent that from happening, while the compromised members of congress are still defending tax cuts for the wealthy, especially themselves.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL8RmC7VM46SBii by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-11T21:42:36Z
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@ShekinahCanCook @WJJH @OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue Agreed....but the choice is to accept a dissolution of the US or try and change it. There is still a chance that in the next 4 - 8 years we can course correct without a political civil war, but only if we talk to each other and understand (maybe not agree) all sides of the issues. Its worth the effort....
(DIR) Post #ASbdL92dz2zluRhdBY by OlDude82@mstdn.party
2023-02-12T01:26:42Z
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@marleybits39 @ShekinahCanCook @WJJH @david @AmIBlue We have been having a "political civil war" for the past 20 years. I don't see any possibility of compromise, and I also do not accept "dissolution of the US". So ... we simply have to hold the line and outlast them. Since they insist on denying science, they are killing themselves off faster than we are.
(DIR) Post #ASbdL9XU8NfJS68GG0 by WJJH@mastodon.online
2023-02-12T11:23:22Z
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@OlDude82 @marleybits39 @ShekinahCanCook @david @AmIBlue Have you read👇A analysis of the current polarization and paralysis. George Packer is breaking down the differences and finding a way to renew the idea of self-governance. There is a bias towards the utopian ideas of socialism, but this gives him room to analyze the social and economic issues of today. I think his analysis is excellent and gives food for thought.
(DIR) Post #ASbdLA0uMzCWvLtl7Q by WJJH@mastodon.online
2023-02-12T13:03:57Z
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@stux I do not wish to litter the Mastodon floor, but #CW is sometimes beyond my comprehension. Why a book cover of George Packer "America in Crisis and Renewal" is qualified as "Sensitive Content", ignoring books and politics are a major part of contemporary life.
(DIR) Post #ASbdLAdC4dpGq5oKnI by stux@mstdn.social
2023-02-12T14:26:28Z
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@WJJH because we can 👌🏻🫶
(DIR) Post #ASbfloMTBE73UvorRY by marleybits39@mastodon.world
2023-02-12T14:35:36Z
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@OlDude82 @david @AmIBlue @ShekinahCanCook I don't know, I've always considered myself a fiscal conservative and social progressive. But in my model of "conservatism" you invest in the programs that benefit the public good...infrastructure, education, safety nets, and defense, not the top 1%. In real conservatism the burden is EQUALLY shared by all, the system isn't rigged to shift the shared burden to a specific group or groups. The only real issue is defining fair to everyone's satisfaction.
(DIR) Post #ASd8Oqj7JNWo0Bm90i by WJJH@mastodon.online
2023-02-13T07:49:20Z
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@stux Thank you for your understanding and delightful answer, indeed the most logical explanation.