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(DIR) Post #ASXzAQXnrHHxEpqCRs by rabia_elizabeth@mefi.social
2023-02-03T07:49:51Z
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I am NOT a fan of the trend toward studiously accentless voices in #English language #Audiobook performance. Robotic and boring. I have some ideas on why the publishers might be going this route, for wider availability and ease of comprehension all over the world . But in the end I think it's about #Capitalism steamrolling individuality and local culture. @bookstodon
(DIR) Post #ASXzARAnWITrBm5LEG by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T20:12:26Z
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@rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon The beauty of capitalism is there is nothing forcing you to consume those goods, and to boot, there is nothing stopping you from competing with them.
(DIR) Post #ASXzg2vfC6yLGQ4vku by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-02-10T20:18:09Z
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@elliswyatt @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon đ¤Ł
(DIR) Post #ASXzjzbxTJmi8Fk9YW by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T20:18:53Z
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@albnelson @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Wonderfully well thought out argument, I am glad you piped up and added to the spirited debate.
(DIR) Post #ASY0geQhrqpHWZS1Sa by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-02-10T20:29:28Z
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@elliswyatt @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Publishing is one of the most consolidated industries on the planet. Sure, you can publish whatever you want, read whatever you want, but it ain't due to **capitalism.** It's due to the First Amendment (in these parts at least).
(DIR) Post #ASY0xJKjYYq51BbL4C by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T20:32:29Z
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@albnelson @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Capitalism affords a person the ability to profit from his efforts, his property. This is not a possibility in socialism when you can not individually own the MoP, and worse in communism when you can't at all.So yes, it IS about capitalism.
(DIR) Post #ASY14W5yVRdIcr8Mca by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-02-10T20:33:47Z
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@elliswyatt @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon brb gotta buy a printing press
(DIR) Post #ASY18EjyyMITxXcYue by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T20:34:28Z
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@albnelson @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon You are typing to me on the modern press Andy.
(DIR) Post #ASY1NWmw9bwgHEIJ8K by albnelson@lor.sh
2023-02-10T20:37:12Z
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@elliswyatt @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon ya gotta work a lot harder to earn an Andy, Ellis. See ya in the marketplace of ideas. âŽď¸
(DIR) Post #ASY1SMwYBVtFBv6Dlg by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T20:38:06Z
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@albnelson @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I don't exist to earn anything from you Andy.
(DIR) Post #ASY2uEDWK2egBoswAS by HLGEM@lor.sh
2023-02-10T20:54:20Z
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@elliswyatt @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon That is some of the most white male, classist drek I have ever read. Lots of things stop people from competing with current businesses. Try getting a business loan when you are a poor black woman, for example.
(DIR) Post #ASY35qOOj9ARm3Vn5E by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T20:56:27Z
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@HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon You don't need a business loan to record audio on a smart phone or to type text.I'll let you in on a secret, poor white men can't get loans either, that's why they're still poor.But enjoy seeing your neighbours as enemies, I'm sure it will work out for you eventually.When you learn it won't work out, come back to me.
(DIR) Post #ASY473DwbcPHoVlHNo by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:07:51Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Iâm surprised to see that youâve just acknowledged and validated the concept of a poverty trap, the lower class being kept poor by an external system If you know of anyone who successfully broke into the mainstream audiobook industry with no funding and a smartphone microphone, let me know
(DIR) Post #ASY4S9qpA4hKRs0na4 by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:11:41Z
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@zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Well the reality is, it's not so much a trap as it is a speed bump. And the real limitation of wealth creation is ambition, drive and capability. Growing inside the current messed up fascist system that exist is quite capable, simply more complicated than it ought to be.And again, if there is a market for human voiced audiobooks, there is nothing to stop a person from using the basic tools that are readily available to them to do the job other than a defeatist attitude and an unwillingness to do the work.
(DIR) Post #ASY4TanMT9oIIu4n2W by vivsmythe@mastodon.au
2023-02-10T21:11:50Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon back to your original claim, I sincerely doubt that unauthorised audiobook recordings of copyrighted content could be marketed without legal action being taken to cease and desist, and to also remit any earnings made thereby to the copyright holders, possibly with an extra amount imposed by the judge as a penalty for breaching that copyright. In some jurisdictions, if the income made from breaching copyright is above a threshold amount, incarceration could even result.So it's simply not true that anyone can compete with the audiobook recordings licensed by publishers on behalf of their contracted authors.
(DIR) Post #ASY4bbeh9fBdHwqO24 by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:13:23Z
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@vivsmythe @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Precisely the regulatory capture I was talking about. Copyright shouldn't exist because IP is not property in the first place.
(DIR) Post #ASY4iVuQuw5NUhUzz6 by HLGEM@lor.sh
2023-02-10T21:14:37Z
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@elliswyatt @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon It does take money to create any sort of competitive business. It isn't enough to create the words, you have to market them. And when you are subject to the same constraints that the majority of people in this country are, then you come back and talk to me. BTW, you just invalidated your own argument that anyone can compete with your poor white men example. Pointing out the flaws in your arguments doesn't mean I hate all white men or that they are enemies. That statement is pure gaslighting.
(DIR) Post #ASY57MGftsuypdkVSS by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:19:08Z
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@HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon It does take money to start a business, simply nowhere near what you are thinking. Hell I parlayed a lawn mowing business when I was a kid into what I have now. Cost me next to nothing to get started.And no, I didn't invalidate my own argument. Anyone can compete for business, in that they aren't physically being stopped. Whether they have the skill, ambition or drive to do so is a whole other matter.Attributing the purported flaws of my arguments as being a result of my sex or race is most assuredly a hateful claim, and not at all gaslighting. You brought race into a discussion where it did not exist, and you used white and male as a pejorative when you did so. Racism is bad when you do it too, being a "Progressive" isn't a get out of jail free card in that regard.
(DIR) Post #ASY5B513z4gcU7DnhA by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:19:47Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Ah, you couldâve fooled me, what you said sounds an awful lot like a poverty trapâI'll let you in on a secret, poor white men can't get loans either, that's why they're still poor.â^ This was correct, and thereâs numerous other âspeed bumpsâ that sort of surround you until you find yourself in a trappedAnyway, sounds like you donât know of anyone who successfully competed with the audiobook corpos with a phone, correct?
(DIR) Post #ASY5Cn2plx5PKIriAi by HLGEM@lor.sh
2023-02-10T21:20:05Z
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@elliswyatt @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon So you want people to steal your words and profit off them? Odd idea.
(DIR) Post #ASY5Ig10ovVPGLouVU by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:21:11Z
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@zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Define compete? Because if the big guys are using robot voices, they aren't competition in the "we want to listen to human voices" market.
(DIR) Post #ASY5SfkSfSexKYqRmq by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:22:56Z
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@HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I don't own the english language or the voices of others. If they wish to read my books and be paid for the process, all the power to them.The issue is when you see profit as a function of the states involvement of protecting ideas, and I do not. I am paid exclusively by bounty and by being first to market when I am not. I have no interest in the states involvement in what I do.
(DIR) Post #ASY5h2utKFQ3EvZrFI by vivsmythe@mastodon.au
2023-02-10T21:25:32Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodonYour original claim was "there is nothing stopping you from competing with them". While I agree that corporatism has transformed the original provisions of copyright (that protected authors' rights for a few decades only) into an over-regulated profits grab that will probably protect The Mouse until the planet boils, that wasn't part of your original dismissive response to the OP.
(DIR) Post #ASY5rH9hEzyQIRNdLM by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:27:23Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Ah I see, you didnât read the original post or at least didnât comprehend it thoroughly OP described recent human audiobook performances as accentless and robotic, this is not a thread about computer generated narration If youâd like a definition of compete, Google is free of charge
(DIR) Post #ASY5wtx0QcBy497vW4 by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:28:27Z
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@vivsmythe @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon The complaint was "capitalism" was creating a world with robot voices.I was simply pointing out that no, capitalism isn't creating that world. The fascist control of the market is, capitalism presently doesn't exist outside the black market, and even there marginally so since the states forces typically jack up prices.
(DIR) Post #ASY60XapUmjpsoUPKK by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T21:29:04Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I think the question of how involved the state should or shouldn't be is a separate issue. I think the issue raised here was that capitalist incentive structures push toward consolidation, which makes it hard for small independent firms to compete, and then capitalism incentivizes the large consolidated firms toward blandness in the name of mass appeal. See walmarts next to shuttered mom-and-pop stores, the 57th Marvel movie, etc.
(DIR) Post #ASY69GI5C8CApKsZiS by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:30:41Z
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@zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I understand it clearly. There is ample room for OP to record human voices, and make them available, letting the market decide which is more enjoyable. The superior product, regardless of the backing, will win.
(DIR) Post #ASY6Ly6e7DGMC3aZI8 by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:32:57Z
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@pjandy @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon There are however, still mom and pop stores where the market (i.e. the consumers) exist. Same with indy films.What remains is the effects of the state in the market.
(DIR) Post #ASY6R6UONJCvdn91SC by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T21:33:52Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I think that's a fairly reductionist, idealized view of one individual person's ability to successfully compete against the likes of Amazon.
(DIR) Post #ASY6VMUsneSqRlP8s4 by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T21:30:41Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon that might be fine for you in terms of how you make a living, but it generates a bland, soulless culture in the process, which sucks to have to live in.
(DIR) Post #ASY6VNkAAKHUJRYrKK by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:34:40Z
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@pjandy @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon The issue is, the desires of those who want bland and those wanting thought provoking are two separate markets, neither of which compete. It's like automobile vs churro markets, they aren't in direct competition for the same product.
(DIR) Post #ASY6WpvcrOvW13cHgm by vivsmythe@mastodon.au
2023-02-10T21:34:54Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I'm not going to participate in this derail from the OP's point any more. If I happen across you discussing this somewhere else that isn't hijacking an existing thread, I may possibly be interested in engaging. Muting you for a while now.
(DIR) Post #ASY6Z4T3m5fTgiJvxg by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:35:21Z
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@pjandy @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Amazon isn't producing human voiced audiobooks ... so they aren't competition.
(DIR) Post #ASY6df5rXhSERIevs8 by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T21:36:07Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Amazon owns Audible, which is the biggest producer/seller of audiobooks
(DIR) Post #ASY6eSfhDGEUCcnk1o by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:36:16Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon As youâve said in other replies, you believe that capitalism doesnât exist outside of the black market However, you also argue here that in the current state of the market the best product will winWhich is it? Letâs at least establish a baseline ideological consistency
(DIR) Post #ASY6gaKJipZ0WXoX20 by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:36:42Z
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@pjandy @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Which doesn't produce the product that OP wishes to produce, or wishes that was produced.
(DIR) Post #ASY6oBUBxmK3nZ3ZJY by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:38:04Z
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@zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon You are misrepresenting my argument.OP claimed capitalism was producing this bland robotic world.I pointed out that capitalism doesn't do this at all.I never made the claim that what exists today is capitalism. OP did that.
(DIR) Post #ASY6ssvuN0OrhnGJPs by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:38:53Z
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@elliswyatt @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Actually, Amazon owns arguably the biggest audiobook seller/producer on the marketGoogle is a free service, no harm in using it before you comment on something
(DIR) Post #ASY6yNXvygq66BfTtI by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T21:39:52Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon You're saying audible doesn't produce audiobooks? ...I think they do. Let's assume they don't. What difference does that make for the larger point that "capitalism => bland soullessness"?
(DIR) Post #ASY7KLLyoMYNfWYALo by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:43:52Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Ok so you have two arguments running right now and theyâre mutually exclusive 1) Anyone can create their own product and the market will accept the best of the offerings2) Capitalism currently doesnât exist outside of black markets Which is it? (You also did imply that what we have today is capitalism by introducing the âperson with a phoneâ bit)
(DIR) Post #ASY7XkH5SzPCizeUb2 by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:46:18Z
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@zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Asked and answered above.
(DIR) Post #ASY7e0n4yPXTgZbWKW by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:46:08Z
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@pjandy @elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon To clarify, Audible (Amazon) does produce audiobooks with human narrationIâm unsure of where Ellis is getting their information, maybe an alternate reality?
(DIR) Post #ASY7e1GrBhMHAvXIkC by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:47:26Z
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@zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Then OP was wrong in stating otherwise, in which case the market for human voiced audio books is being met by the entrenched parties.
(DIR) Post #ASY7lZscuTeEXao4ae by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:48:48Z
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@pjandy @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Per OP, audible produces bland and robotic audiobooks, and not human voiced flavourful audiobooks.Those are two separate markets. One of which audible apparently doesn't fulfill.
(DIR) Post #ASY7lfgRKhSsXX9QQa by mraharrison@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T21:48:48Z
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@elliswyatt @pjandy @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Wow, dude you're really not making any sense tonight. OP made a good point, not sure what you're trying to prove here but you're not making any friends.
(DIR) Post #ASY7oemBAAymauG7Ye by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T21:49:21Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon If I have to rely on audible for sales of my exciting audiobook, and they have their own boring version, that's the one that's going to get promoted. That's core to Amazon's business model - if an independent seller is doing well, they promote their own version of those produces and squeeze out the little guy. That's a market distortion as much as anything "the state" might do...
(DIR) Post #ASY7sjQdo54yBN7zc0 by mraharrison@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T21:50:04Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Yep, you've totally misunderstood the OP. So maybe take a break? OP said "robotic - sounding", ie human, but accentless. Bland.
(DIR) Post #ASY7t986FdhFtOeYK0 by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:50:11Z
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@zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Being abrasive doesn't make up for having a poor argument.The position OP had was that audible doesn't produce human voiced audiobooks, and instead produces bland and robotic audiobooks.
(DIR) Post #ASY7xsX3O6kjrda7Oa by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:51:00Z
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@elliswyatt @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Like I said before, OP never claimed that they werenât producing audiobooks with human narration, the claim was that the human narration is increasingly robotic/accentlessTo make sure weâre absolutely clear this time, the original post in this thread is not about actual robot narration If you donât understand this after itâs been laid out multiple times, Iâll assume youâre deliberately misunderstanding
(DIR) Post #ASY85SN2XW0b2gVl2W by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:52:23Z
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@mraharrison @pjandy @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon OP's point was that audible doesn't produce a given product and blamed the lack of the product they want on capitalism.The desire for a product being met by someone who profits from the production of that product is the basis of capitalism.
(DIR) Post #ASY89EWLyUUtFKfV2m by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:53:00Z
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@elliswyatt @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Once more, the position OP had is that mainstream audiobook narration is trending toward robotic-sounding narration, not narration done by non-humans
(DIR) Post #ASY8JSqpY9aYaR7nyy by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:54:55Z
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@pjandy @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Squeezing out is not something that happens in differing markets.Your local steak house, owned by a mom and pop is in the same town as a mcdonalds. They both sell beef, yet the former still exists because people prefer the superior product.The same can happen in the audiobook market in terms of what capitalism provides. However, the state prefers limited and captured markets that favour entrenched parties.
(DIR) Post #ASY8RcgirO9xPcHsTg by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:56:24Z
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@mraharrison @zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Again ... if there is a market not being met, people who prefer flavourful voices, then there is nothing capitalist that would stop that market from being met.McDonalds and steak joints exist in the same town in spite of McDonalds being a ridiculously large business.
(DIR) Post #ASY8XPMbJUNLpAdNSK by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T21:50:41Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon same as walmart's practice in the 90s of lowering prices until the competition went under, and then raising them back up with they were the only game in town. ...the idea of a "pure market" is a myth - everyone with any leverage is creating distortions. The only question is in whos interest.
(DIR) Post #ASY8XQBIH0vQMOLrTE by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T21:57:26Z
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@pjandy @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon How is the market being served by the lowest bidder a problem exactly?
(DIR) Post #ASY8n9ReGYKr5SVBpI by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:00:18Z
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@zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon You are mired in the minutia. You are stuck on robot vs robotic, really doesn't matter.Point is, OP has a market she prefers, flavourful voiced audiobooks, that's not being met. They blamed capitalism for this lack, however, capitalism is all about meeting market wants for profit. What stops niche markets from being met is gov't intrusion, in this case the captured market that comes with IP.
(DIR) Post #ASY8p8wP6v1O6SpzLE by mraharrison@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T22:00:38Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Hoooboy. I don't know where to begin with your "anyone can compete with McDs" position. Just no.
(DIR) Post #ASY8rSrQ1Mb0Shc2Yy by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:01:04Z
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@zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I literally used the word robotic here, not robot. It would seem you are being obtuse.
(DIR) Post #ASY8wy2Rf538jbHkAq by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:01:39Z
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@mraharrison @zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon How does the steak joint exist when mcdonalds does then?Hell, why do other burger joints exist?
(DIR) Post #ASY8yVcuGdf9CC4hhA by bhalpin@better.boston
2023-02-10T21:53:39Z
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@zamallama @pjandy @elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodonThe guy you all are arguing with is on a server run by the movement that literally got a New Hampshire town taken over by bears. They're REALLY not worth arguing with, and the auto-boosts are just giving oxygen to their views.
(DIR) Post #ASY8yWHJqNzNDWyyga by Jennifer_Pinkley@zirk.us
2023-02-10T21:55:50Z
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@bhalpin @zamallama @pjandy @elliswyatt @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I was just going to say this entire convo looks like crap I used to see on Twitter from fake/spam accounts. Do not engage and move on with your day.
(DIR) Post #ASY8yWmVyOwUmHZtJI by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:02:19Z
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@Jennifer_Pinkley @bhalpin @zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Sigh, yet another person attributing malice to disagreement.
(DIR) Post #ASY9PJ64xYw29fUxGq by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T21:56:46Z
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@pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Ah, that explains why Ellisâ logic isnât ideologically consistent between comments. Itâs almost like watching two people operate one account simultaneouslyGoodbye @elliswyatt Thanks for the heads up @bhalpin
(DIR) Post #ASY9PJdkwLsDq7FqlM by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:07:11Z
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@zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon @bhalpin My position has been consistent across all posts.a) capitalism isn't creating bland audiobooks, capitalism doesn't stop markets from being met at all. A heavily regulated captured market does.b) capitalism doesn't presently exist.These two points are mutually exclusive and consistent with each other.
(DIR) Post #ASY9i3tXhmwQVZZrhA by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T22:10:33Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon McD and Walmart have both relied on public assistance to subsidize their workers when they are paid poverty wages, for one. And in Amazon's case, when the person who runs the market is also the lowest bidder and also controls which products are put in front of you when you're in the market, that isn't really a "free market" - strings are being pulled. The fact that its a corporation rather than government pulling them seems arbitrary.
(DIR) Post #ASY9rRQbZvbm6MVyOO by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:12:16Z
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@pjandy @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon I hope you can appreciate that you are proving my point that capitalism doesn't exist, that in fact what we have is corporatism, or fascism. And OP's original complaint that it was the fault of "capitalism" is erroneous.
(DIR) Post #ASYA0bsa5fTx7byKrA by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T22:13:54Z
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@elliswyatt @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon @bhalpin I wasnât going to respond but you provided the two facets of your position and said that they are âmutually exclusive and consistent with each otherâMutually exclusive by definition means that they cannot exist simultaneously Meaning you just said yourself that the two views you hold arenât ideologically consistent, I think this sums up this conversation perfectly
(DIR) Post #ASYAFBUOUTH9cNbmfA by zamallama@bookstodon.com
2023-02-10T22:16:23Z
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@elliswyatt @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon @bhalpin I wasnât going to respond but you provided the two facets of your position and said that they are âmutually exclusive and consistent with each otherâMutually exclusive by definition means that they cannot happen simultaneously Meaning you just said yourself that the two views you hold arenât ideologically consistent, I think this sums up this conversation perfectly
(DIR) Post #ASYAMOCRdDW949eGFE by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:17:52Z
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@zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon @bhalpin Indeed, capitalism not existing, and the products of capitalism existing are indeed mutually exclusive ideas. Not sure why that's an issue for you?If capitalism existed, OP would be free to create all the audiobooks and in whatever flavour they prefer.Capitalism, not existing however, results in the conditions where OP is not allowed to do so.So again, your abrasiveness is not a substitute for a decent position.
(DIR) Post #ASYATR57JcJW1ya4zg by mraharrison@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T22:19:07Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Jeez. How many other outlets closed since McDs arrived? The existence of a single steak house does not prove your point. McDs, and Amazon, have billions of pounds and they spend it to kill competition. Hell, they bought Audible rather than compete with it.
(DIR) Post #ASYAhidmpMtiXmblOy by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T22:21:43Z
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@mraharrison @zamallama @pjandy @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon And in spite of all that wealth, other companies exist. Why? Can you explain that?Competition kills crappy competitors for sure. This is a good thing. Not all businesses make good use of resources.The existence of a steakhouse in the beef products market DOES prove my point. The superior product wins out even if the competitor has more wealth.
(DIR) Post #ASYAtVwrqJVYee9p8C by pjandy@a2mi.social
2023-02-10T22:23:50Z
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@elliswyatt @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon ok it sounded like you were saying they should make their exciting audiobook and let the market decide because capitalism is great, more than making the case that free market capitalism doesn't actually exist. But that's cool. I'd go one step further to say that free markets are a myth, and any society that claims to based on a free market economy is in an unstable state tending toward corporatism, if not there already.
(DIR) Post #ASYEmqZr98r0QJTE9I by elliswyatt@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-10T23:07:28Z
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@pjandy @HLGEM @vivsmythe @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon corporatism is the product of the monopoly on violence which is shared by every form of govt. Capitalism, the free market, can not exist whilst not being free.
(DIR) Post #ASYKt0hJ2413GzHEsi by jodmentum@mastodon.social
2023-02-11T00:15:46Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Sheâs talking about a shift toward human narration with flat accents which lack personality or character. The kind that put people to sleep instead of keeping them awake on long drives. The opposite of the advent of radio stories before TV. đ¤Śđťââď¸
(DIR) Post #ASYy3loeb8g2W5przk by rabia_elizabeth@mefi.social
2023-02-11T07:34:43Z
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@elliswyatt @bookstodon this is a bit overly optimistic given the barrier of obtaining rights for material that's not in the public domain. That barrier ensures that those with financial clout will always be the first in line to record that material.That being said, I am currently recording a work that is in the public domain!
(DIR) Post #ASbicblGxNmrfyiwN6 by AGreenCup@zirk.us
2023-02-12T15:25:48Z
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@elliswyatt @zamallama @HLGEM @rabia_elizabeth @bookstodon Except this is just demonstrably false and evident in peoplesâ every day lives. Youâre right to say capitalism doesnât /produce/ something, it incentives profit margins. And profit margins will always be largest in goods and services that are cheapest to produce. Couple that with large initial capital requirements and competitors who can afford to temporarily take a loss and your entire argument just. Doesnât exist.
(DIR) Post #ASbjA5cWxkJjq2bGy0 by nathangs20@data-folks.masto.host
2023-02-12T15:30:01Z
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@rabia_elizabethPlease don't feed the trolls@bookstodon #english #Audiobook #capitalism
(DIR) Post #ASbjA6854RYRPtMT8y by 8petros@petroskowo.pl
2023-02-12T15:31:41Z
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Block them instead. :)