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(DIR) Post #ASWLYRchJ974D54GqO by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T00:15:24Z
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#DOJInvestigations * * *Jack special counsel Jack Smith subpoenaed Mike Pence.From ABC: "It's not immediately clear what information the subpoena from special counsel Jack Smith is seeking, but it follows months of negotiations between federal prosecutors and Pence's legal team."My pet peeve: Every stage described as an "escalation" or "the most aggressive move yet!!"It's been a steady upward slope and subpoenaing Pence means they're getting close to the end.https://abcnews.go.com/US/mike-pence-subpoenaed-special-counsel-overseeing-trump-probes/story?id=97018886
(DIR) Post #ASWLYSDv4kt44WTzrU by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T00:20:28Z
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I updated my FAQ page: https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/You can see that it has been a steady climb from the bottom (or the periphery) to the top (or the center) depending on which metaphor you prefer.Do I know where this will end?Nope.All I can say is what has been happening: The movement has been steady, and the work detailed, painstaking, and difficult.
(DIR) Post #ASWLYSyMI62AOYD5FI by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T00:26:13Z
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Someone asked about prosecuting/ indictment decisions.The indictment comes from a grand jury, so technically, it's the prosecutors don't make the decision to indict.The grand jury make the indictment decision.The prosecutors make the decision whether to present evidence to a grand jury, which they are doing.At the same time, having read a few grand jury transcripts in my day, I can tell you that the cliche is true: Most juries will indict a ham sandwich if the prosecutor asks for it.
(DIR) Post #ASWLYTtQrtghFYufCq by Cirdan@awscommunity.social
2023-02-10T01:13:49Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Yes, and I think a ham sandwich will be indicted before Trump will.
(DIR) Post #ASWLuVQxouZKOq6DTs by DrewKadel@social.coop
2023-02-10T01:17:49Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Likewise, it seems like most prosecutors, if forced to present a case they personally don't want to prosecute (e.g. police misconduct) can get a no bill when they want to.
(DIR) Post #ASWMLGPDnnvLbr2kam by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T01:22:40Z
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@DrewKadel As a practical matter, I don't think a prosecutor would ever be forced. Prosecutorial discretion and independence is a cornerstone of our democratic system.They shouldn't bow to public pressure and the executive branch is supposed to stay out of it.If an ASUA didn't want to go forward, and the head of the office did, someone else would be appointed.
(DIR) Post #ASWMtjCLGAOCkkS8hs by DrewKadel@social.coop
2023-02-10T01:28:03Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I'm thinking about some high profile cases where the D.A. politically had to present the case to the grand jury, so that they would take the responsibility for not indicting the cop.
(DIR) Post #ASWN0lFy0MLvAFVBtA by alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T01:30:09Z
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@Teri_Kanefield this is a big deal I believe this means we nearing the end of the investigation since Mike Pence is a high level witness
(DIR) Post #ASWN6rsKJFdbQgMA9w by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T01:31:17Z
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@DrewKadel Was that a federal case? The grand jury still makes the decision (in federal cases) so really, it's a way for the DA to say, "I tried." Right?
(DIR) Post #ASWNDHK2bwhI5bNOyW by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T01:32:26Z
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@alfredo_liberal I agree.Given that they've already talked to Trump's lawyers, this seems like the end of the line . . . unless they think they can get testimony from Ivanka.
(DIR) Post #ASWNMYLgfyfXVDZKs4 by DrewKadel@social.coop
2023-02-10T01:34:06Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I think I'm thinking of state cases (Breonna Taylor in KY? maybe Ferguson Mo?)
(DIR) Post #ASWNRtiUesaPDnmisC by skua@mastodon.social
2023-02-10T00:22:17Z
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@Teri_Kanefield "... means they're getting close to the end."And as much as I don't like it, that doesn't necessarily mean that they've decided on whether to indict Trump yet.
(DIR) Post #ASWNRuGAdfWauFXcMi by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T00:25:06Z
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@skua The indictment comes from a grand jury, so technically, it's the prosecutors don't make the decision to indict.They make the decision whether to present evidence to a grand jury, which they are doing.At the same time, having read a few grand jury transcripts in my day, I can tell you that the cliche is true: Most juries will indict a ham sandwich.
(DIR) Post #ASWNRulMlgTiT08WzQ by skua@mastodon.social
2023-02-10T01:35:02Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Thank you Teri.I know it is an extra call on your time and energy educating adults on things they needed to be taught in school so as to have a basis for informed confidence in the justice system.But I value your generous instruction highly, and see it biasing people towards thinking things through rather than going with their (inflamed) feelings.
(DIR) Post #ASWNUs0xRYgYoLq4CO by alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com
2023-02-10T01:35:36Z
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@Teri_Kanefield yes but if she doesn't cooperate then Pence will more than likely be the last witness then comes the decision making the big one
(DIR) Post #ASWOPLozoBwbTNAxkm by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T01:45:49Z
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@alfredo_liberal I just remembered -- there are also some of Trump's advisors who testified before J6 and who haven't been subpoenaed (as far as I know)
(DIR) Post #ASWQsIwfmTiYrIhUn2 by MissPlaced@mastodon.online
2023-02-10T02:13:25Z
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@Teri_Kanefield š
(DIR) Post #ASWSDD3SybFYcpPUzQ by peedee@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T02:28:25Z
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@Teri_Kanefield idk. two years since 1/6... three months since special counsel appointed. I don't think our institutions have the nerve to indict a former president for crimes he committed live on national tv. I can be proven wrong at any moment, but it keeps not happening:
(DIR) Post #ASWV4pKDcRmuZfwMwy by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T03:00:33Z
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@peedee You might want to read my DOJ FAQs:https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/Bonus: Some good stories, including one about a woman in a truck with drugs, and a quiz at the end. You might even get a prize.
(DIR) Post #ASWXaZYxxR0ird6UWe by fmhilton@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-02-10T03:28:39Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I hope so-he has to end this and finally indict the SOB that tried to destroy this country-and it won't be a moment too damn soon! let 'er rip, Jack! Go get the bad guy!
(DIR) Post #ASWXzPG5PGww9279u4 by chrisaferr@mastodon.lol
2023-02-10T03:33:09Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I love that I can see a headline I missed during the day and immediately come to your page for your wise commentary and explanation of our federal justice system. Iām also very excited for your new book. ā¤ļø
(DIR) Post #ASWZIRri2SDXgaM93I by jefftwalsh@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T03:47:49Z
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@Teri_Kanefield
(DIR) Post #ASWZl4y8FJ1r4W0pzk by Npars01@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T03:52:58Z
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@Teri_Kanefield After Clarence & Ginni Thomas, Mike Pence is another link to the Republican billionaire donors funding a growing anti-democracy movement around the globe.Follow the money.
(DIR) Post #ASWbZZwXSTB3ZPuYNs by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T04:13:09Z
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@adufray Wow. If you have any claims of privilege you will get to negotiate the scope of your testimony.If you are ever the Vice President of the United States, and the Supreme Court has held that there is executive privilege, you will get to negotiate the scope of your testimony.Adulfry, whoever you follow for legal procedure, stop following them at once. They are filling your head with cotton.
(DIR) Post #ASWcFLVpVAkGybKnKq by adufray@mastodon.social
2023-02-10T04:20:49Z
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@Teri_Kanefield shouldnāt the process be they object to subpoenas after the fact? rather than negotiating (!) with the prosecutor? Why is it a negotiation and not something settled by a judge?I appreciate your reply. Iām (obviously) not a lawyer, but am just another frustrated American tired of the endless special treatment granted to the former administration and its enablers ā in other words, the āprivilegeā you mentioned.
(DIR) Post #ASWclE38mdUn687Iau by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T04:26:38Z
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@adufray Nope, negotiations are always first.Courts want things negotiated and judges rule of the parties do not come to an agreement.Defense attorneys often meet with prosecutors to negotiate.I will offer two things for you to read.Start here: https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/Then read this:https://terikanefield.com/frequently-asserted-rage-inducing-simplifications/Reading these pages will take you some time, so relax, read them carefully, and if you have any questions after you absorb them, you can ask.
(DIR) Post #ASWjyBPGcZaOLOakpk by adufray@mastodon.social
2023-02-10T05:47:23Z
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@Teri_Kanefield thank you, I enjoyed the articles and mostly agreed. With regard to the lack of consequences myth, you cite examples of some, but omit that most were pardoned, commuted, or received incredibly lenient sentencing (well below the guidelines ā specifically Manafort and how he ālived an otherwise blameless lifeā). I think these people then using their āconsequencesā as battle scars and rallying cries undercuts your point. Thatās what people are upset about.
(DIR) Post #ASWn6kCbR24yRMRTMG by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T06:22:34Z
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@adufray Now read this: https://terikanefield.com/things-to-do/
(DIR) Post #ASWozneWPNOV1SJjto by adufray@mastodon.social
2023-02-10T06:43:43Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I had already read that, actually š I do appreciate your confidence and optimism. After 6 years mine is certainly running low!
(DIR) Post #ASWsqfpEXXnzxPEPjs by Mallulady@mastodon.world
2023-02-10T07:26:53Z
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@Teri_Kanefield That would be nice.
(DIR) Post #ASXKpekbqaix3FN7Ls by peedee@mstdn.social
2023-02-10T12:40:26Z
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@Teri_Kanefield thanks, I did read it, and it is a very helpful chronology. We'll see, of course, but my faith in our institutions continues to diminish each day there's no indictment of TFG.
(DIR) Post #ASXSTuTFWGBD4JORai by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T14:06:10Z
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If you have a link showing a prosecutor who was "forced" to show evidence to a grand jury and did so wanting to secure a 'no indictment' result, show me the link on my blog. I don't want to talk about it here anymore.
(DIR) Post #ASXgty6s0j0FF5FHbE by yodermon@c.im
2023-02-10T16:47:44Z
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@Teri_Kanefield So once a grand jury returns a true bill, is it really out of the prosecutors hand's, legally?Can't prosecutors still decline to indict, or "hold it in their back pocket" for leverage, etc?
(DIR) Post #ASXlr1ru4z4rnkf9PM by StinaLeicht@wandering.shop
2023-02-10T17:43:13Z
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@Teri_Kanefield I've always pictured it as a reptile slowly, methodically consuming its victim feet first. And, you know, I'm good with that.
(DIR) Post #ASXpBQtT2t594Oob0y by brickbat@toot.community
2023-02-10T18:19:44Z
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@Teri_Kanefield Why all the negotiating? If I received a subpoena from DOJ, I wouldn't expect a negotiation.
(DIR) Post #ASXtPTQ8qYJ6mJ35SC by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T19:07:54Z
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@brickbat Yes you would. All interactions between prosecutors and defense lawyers start with negotiationsCourts get angry if they have to deal with conflicts before there was an attempt to resolveMultiply this by 1,000 if you are a lawyer or have some other claim to privilege. You are about sixth person who said this to me, which generally means someone is trafficking in rage-inducing simplifications.Where is it coming from? Maybe I need to add it:https://terikanefield.com/frequently-asserted-rage-inducing-simplifications/
(DIR) Post #ASXtYIx18sceufdZ8i by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T19:09:30Z
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@adufray Here is what my life is like. Someone who isn't a lawyer, but has a large influential account (or IS a lawyer but was such a bad one that they're now out of work) spouts nonsense.Then a dozen people come to me and say, "IF I WERE A DEFENDANT I WOULDN'T EXPECT NEGOTIATIONS."This has been going on for years.Read this if you want to know what my life on social media is like:https://terikanefield.com/frequently-asserted-rage-inducing-simplifications/
(DIR) Post #ASXtdqjmx4RJ9G5rHM by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T19:10:30Z
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@adufray Almost all of the rage-inducing simplifications amount to this: "I really HATE rule of law because it means people I don't like get treated the way I would want to be treated."
(DIR) Post #ASXuX68LPY9mpEvKYy by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-10T19:20:28Z
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@yodermon Read this:https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/chargingA prosecutor convenes a grand jury because he wants to prosecute someone. If by "leverage" you mean trying to get a plea bargain from a person indicted, a guilty plea is the same as guilt after a trial. There are corrupt prosecutors, but why would anyone waste months in front of a grand jury to be able to say "ha! I have a secret indictment against someone that I have no intention of using."
(DIR) Post #ASZYdehG8pAZDAmtOK by brickbat@toot.community
2023-02-11T14:24:34Z
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@Teri_Kanefield More delays and negotiations while not one of the principals in an insurrection against our government has been indicted after so long a time should induce rage. Is that simple enough for you?
(DIR) Post #ASZaKjyYUR6TzRzCMK by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-11T14:43:34Z
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@brickbat Hi, Brickbat: Did you read my DOJ FAQ page?It's here:https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/If asked, "Do you want a rule of law government or do you want a strongman in charge" will say "rule of law" . . . until they realize that rule of law means procedures that apply to people dislike.Then they prefer authoritarianism (or a focussed authoritarianism: "Suspend the rules for this urgent situation," which effectively creates authoritarianism.)This time try my DOJ FAQ page. Or not š¤·āāļø
(DIR) Post #ASZc3fkz7dg7tIcygK by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-11T15:02:54Z
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@brickbat If you read my page on rage-inducing simplifications, I don't think you understood it. You might want to try again.If you haven't read what I've written, it's probably not appropriate to tell me that I'm wrong :)If you have read what I've written, and you think I'm totally wrong, you should probably just leave my feed.Is it really productive to keep telling a person you think she's wrong?Just leave.
(DIR) Post #ASZj9F322ON0THfhya by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-11T16:22:19Z
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@brickbat If you want to learn from an expert, read: https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/If you have a question about the law, ask respectfully. (I am a lawyer. You are an architect. I will not try to explain architecture to you. You should not try to explain the law to me.)If you make another rude comment, I will block you.
(DIR) Post #ASZkcv03ExJqw1zaT2 by Teri_Kanefield@law-and-politics.online
2023-02-11T16:38:53Z
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@brickbat Wow that was rude!I considered a few possible responses.I'm sure that as a retired architect you feel qualified to lecture me about the criminal procedure and speak to me snidely.But actually . . . you're not. If you would like to learn how things work, read this:https://terikanefield.com/all-new-doj-investigation-faqs/If you have any questions, as them politely. If you are rude again, I will block you.
(DIR) Post #ASZskx7g1vcdT9tvwO by brickbat@toot.community
2023-02-11T18:09:58Z
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@Teri_Kanefield 1. What does my profession have to do with anything?2. I never instructed you on anything.3. I never asked you anything except rhetorically.4. Your deduction that I am victim to a rage-inducing simplification is in itself condescending and rude.5. Block away. I am cringing in anticipation.