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(DIR) Post #ASVl7xuXYeO2BEUKAq by kuketzblog@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T14:32:24Z
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Sneak-Preview: Heute Abend stelle ich den Text/Analyse zu #CalyxOS fertig. Morgen früh wird der Beitrag erscheinen. Vorab kann ich sagen: Er wird CalyxOS-Nutzern vermutlich nicht gefallen. 😉
(DIR) Post #ASVl7yVPLZsS1Zjldg by marsmux@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T15:32:53Z
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@kuketzblog Mich stört im Diskurs dazu die immer wieder angeführte Polemik. Mike gebührt hier Dank für seine sachliche Analyse des Datensendeverhaltens, das schafft eine fundierte Basis für die Nutzer - vor allem auch je nachdem wie die Entwickler reagieren.Und ich als Umsteiger von GrapheneOS zu CalyxOS (beides ohne google services) muss letzterem immer noch ein Plus an usability zugestehen. Auf Mike's Analyse von GrapheneOS bin ich dann ebenfalls gespannt.
(DIR) Post #ASVl7zBEq3L07JJAq8 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T18:25:28Z
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@marsmux @kuketzblog GrapheneOS is not harder to use than CalyxOS and has much broader app compatibility. It sounds like you aren't aware of the sandboxed Google Play compatibility layer and exploit protection compatibility.CalyxOS always uses Google services and gives privileged access to Google apps and services. It's not a hardened OS and doesn't preserve the standard security model and doesn't consistently provide the standard full security patches. Regularly has months of delays for them.
(DIR) Post #ASVndYC6uHvRb2tYlE by johndoe@troet.cafe
2023-02-09T18:53:34Z
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@GrapheneOS @marsmux @kuketzblog Hätten die Journalisten, die den Watergate Skandal aufgedeckt haben, Nixon vorab unterrichten sollen? Der "journalistische Kodex" verlangt das bestimmt nicht. Die Argumente, die Graphene gerade vorgebracht hat, sind rein sachlich, nicht polemisch. Und wenn sie nicht genauso sachlich widerlegt werden, dann gilt eben: "Gefühlte Sicherheit" reicht nicht aus.
(DIR) Post #ASVolNN781wYImKyQa by daniel@social.4netguides.org
2023-02-09T19:06:13Z
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@GrapheneOS @marsmux @kuketzblog Why are you guys always discrediting CalyxOS whenever it is mentioned? Is there some kind of competition I missed? Are you losing shares in the stock market? You can't even accept a user's opinion when they say they like the usability better. It would look more professional if you focused on your own strengths instead of generating users by badmouthing other projects.
(DIR) Post #ASVq2xSiIa7R6wu7AO by marsmux@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T19:20:24Z
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@GrapheneOS @kuketzblog Well, it seems there is a distinction to be made between security and usability / ease of use as the clear dedication towards either of them does lead to a tradeoff in other areas.With GrapheneOS I missed some handy features which, according to requests on your Github page, are not on your scope. Such as: -smart charging (battery longevity)-direct WiFi toggle-activate torch via power button
(DIR) Post #ASVsV3Qzt3t3eOcthg by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T19:48:06Z
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@daniel @marsmux @kuketzblog The person writing the post above appears to have missed some of the major features of GrapheneOS including the sandboxed Google Play compatibility layer. They're also missing that the OS they say they're moving to doesn't avoid Google services. Perhaps they're also unaware that doesn't provide a hardened OS.CalyxOS uses a lot of false marketing and spreads misinformation about GrapheneOS. It's fair/reasonable to respond to that by providing the facts about them.
(DIR) Post #ASVsjDCUNFyRzeahzE by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T19:50:43Z
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@daniel @marsmux @kuketzblog Why does CalyxOS feel the need to spread misinformation about GrapheneOS across platforms, misleading their community about it and target GrapheneOS developers with repeated harassment/bullying?It should be noted @daniel is a CalyxOS community member who follows multiple people involved in highly aggressive harassment campaigns targeting our developers. They follow a YouTuber who made an hour long video with blatant fabrications and bullying targeting our lead dev.
(DIR) Post #ASVtKdhCpN32sknzxg by Digitaluntertauchen@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T19:24:26Z
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@daniel @GrapheneOS @marsmux @kuketzblog I dont see this as discrediting. They mentioned, and rightly so, where CalyxOS fails compared to #GOS. And if you look at the Calyx Website they state some google connections which made me stay away from it.On the other hand, I think I read somewhere (community forum or so, not sure) that there is a history between CalyxOS and GrapheneOS. Having said that, I believe the comment from GOS is ok.
(DIR) Post #ASVtKeUpqqkNMg1dJo by daniel@social.4netguides.org
2023-02-09T19:40:20Z
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@Digitaluntertauchen @GrapheneOS @marsmux @kuketzblog I'm not saying that the criticism is completely unjustified. I'm saying that regularly hijacking discussions about other projects to push your own product is malicious intent in my opinion.
(DIR) Post #ASVtKf3ZlgXJ6QHNT6 by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T19:57:27Z
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@daniel @Digitaluntertauchen @marsmux @kuketzblog We responded to a post with accurate, useful information and some corrections. A CalyxOS community member (yourself) responded in typical fashion to derail the discussion with wild accusations and false claims. Spreading their inaccurate talking points about GrapheneOS only reinforces the point. It's a non-hardened OS targeting a hardened OS project with misinformation to promote themselves. They're heavily focused on getting themselves money.
(DIR) Post #ASVtbjf3txAOJ3xFmi by marsmux@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T19:52:30Z
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@daniel @GrapheneOS @kuketzblog Obviously this is highly opinionated and thus hard to find common ground. I'd still argue that, whatever focus one may favour, to at least agree to co-exist and tolerate other point of views, priorities and so forth. For me some security and privacy are common ground. Yet, as with my physical presence, I don't live in a bunker to gain maximum protection against the faintest hypothetical threat.
(DIR) Post #ASVtbkBJy0yFv7314C by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T20:00:33Z
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@marsmux @daniel @kuketzblog GrapheneOS provides a much easier installation process via https://grapheneos.org/install/web and far broader app compatibility via the sandboxed Google Play compatibility layer. GrapheneOS isn't harder to use. Both operating systems have the AOSP user interface for nearly everything with few UI differences from it. App compatibility is one of the major differences and sandboxed Google Play allows using a far broader range of apps. In what way is GrapheneOS harder to use?
(DIR) Post #ASVtnd3KIXULHjyXQW by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T20:02:42Z
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@marsmux @daniel @kuketzblog If you've tried GrapheneOS including trying the sandboxed Google Play compatibility layer and have based your opinion on it through your first hand experience, can you explain in what way it was harder to use? We responded to your comment as one made in good faith based on missing the existence of sandboxed Google Play and the exploit protection compatibility mode, which provide much broader app compatibility. It's a misconception that there's less compatibility.
(DIR) Post #ASVue7nbEFyLhYeRJw by marsmux@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T20:12:12Z
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@GrapheneOS @daniel @kuketzblog Are the repetitive GrapheneOS replies here written by a bot? Anyway: I do see that you like to repeat your focus on the hardened aspects of GOS. And I'm aware of sandboxed google services as I have tried them with GOS for 4 months. However app compatibility without microG on CalyxOS is not an issue for me. For sure there are other compromises from your hardening point of view but to me it's outweighed by usability aspects.
(DIR) Post #ASVum7mLBjgDxHsRDk by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T20:13:39Z
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@marsmux @daniel @kuketzblog CalyxOS always uses Google services with or without microG and gives them privileged access with or without microG. microG does add many more Google services with a special privileged status but it's the case without it too.GrapheneOS does not have any significant compromises from the hardening. Exec-based spawning is optional (https://grapheneos.org/usage#exec-spawning). CalyxOS isn't just not hardened but lacks the standard security model and consistent privacy/security patches.
(DIR) Post #ASVuzC8gHuq1F8YiUy by marsmux@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T20:16:00Z
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@GrapheneOS @daniel @kuketzblog In response to your question: "In what way is GrapheneOS harder to use?"I did argue with some examples of everyday usability already, can you acknowledge these?
(DIR) Post #ASVvA0EWtRcPVIRqdM by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T20:17:57Z
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@marsmux @daniel @kuketzblog In our reply above, we asked you to substantiate what you mean about usability. You haven't give an example of how you think GrapheneOS reduces usability. GrapheneOS is not less usability than CalyxOS and provides much broader app compatibility than CalyxOS. App compatibility is the main usability difference between them aside from the easier installation process for GrapheneOS. In what way is GrapheneOS harder to use? Can you explain what you mean by that?
(DIR) Post #ASVvYymlPgnUFkN2uW by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T20:22:26Z
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@marsmux @kuketzblog GrapheneOS does have smart charging, it does have a direct Wi-Fi toggle and it has the standard flashlight quick setting toggle. We don't plan on hard-wiring the power button long press action to something already available via a quick setting toggle and that for most users is a niche feature they aren't using frequently enough to justify that binding as opposed to something they're doing more often. It's strange to portray a niche UI tweak from LineageOS as basic usability.
(DIR) Post #ASVvpoLDUx5YmdVmuu by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T20:25:31Z
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@Digitaluntertauchen @daniel@social.4netguides.org @marsmux@social.tchncs.de @kuketzblog CalyxOS doesn't accurately document all of the Google and other services it uses by default even without microG enabled on their website. It also gives Google apps/services privileged access even without microG. microG of course uses Google services as part of implementing the Google Play APIs and does not make their usage anonymous as often claimed. It also downloads and executes Google binaries within the privileged microG context.
(DIR) Post #ASVvzsYweqq8lujYwq by Digitaluntertauchen@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-09T19:55:41Z
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@daniel @GrapheneOS @marsmux @kuketzblog in my books, the topic of usability was brought up first and then #GOS replied to it in a more complete comparison answer.Since I believe, Maik will not bring up usability (which to me is a very individual topic), I would claim that it was hijacked not by the #GOS guys but they replied more holistically.Gents: let‘s wait and see what comes out tomorrow and focus on privacy.
(DIR) Post #ASVvzt48mrnGKfKTZY by GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
2023-02-09T20:27:20Z
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@Digitaluntertauchen @kuketzblog Both @daniel@social.4netguides.org and @marsmux@social.tchncs.de are typical CalyxOS community members spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS. You can see that @daniel@social.4netguides.org follows multiple abusive people and has a history of engaging in the same kind of fabrications and underhanded attacks themselves. We responded to the initial reply interpreting it in good faith with some corrections before it was clear that this was the case, but it is now so we'll stop engaging with clearly malicious people.
(DIR) Post #ASWLXYpv0I0aI9pYJc by wernaaa@social.tchncs.de
2023-02-10T01:13:23Z
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@GrapheneOS @marsmux @kuketzblog Regarding the "direct Wi-Fi toggle": I think he is talking about the fact that Google merged the seperate Wi-Fi/Mobile data Quick settings toggles into one "Internet" toggle. Just turning on/off Wi-Fi now needs three taps instead of one.