Post ASU5uSZYTJP5wU9bcW by f4grx@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #ASU2bB3b4OgCFqJsMC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:10:03Z
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🚨 BIG NEWS! 🚨Cloud flare just released Wildebeest, a Fediverse competitor to Mastodon!A key feature is that Wildebeest runs “entirely on Cloudflare”.Is this an attempt to centralize the Fediverse—which, until now, has been built for decentralized social media?https://blog.cloudflare.com/welcome-to-wildebeest-the-fediverse-on-cloudflare/
(DIR) Post #ASU5GqUg76BsY8z22a by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:31:03Z
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Many people will jump for joy about Cloudflare building Wildebeest. I mean, so much of the Fediverse already sits in Cloudflare anyway—so why not go with Cloudflare’s own solution?Others will see this as a Big Tech attempt to seize the Fediverse. They will point out that, while Cloudflare solves one problem, it introduces a whole new set of problems in terms of centralization of the Internet. Specifically, the DNS and hosting aspect of the Internet.
(DIR) Post #ASU5GqySKO0g2UuoSG by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:38:23Z
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In defense of Cloudflare, so much of the Fediverse is resource-intensive. For example, when I post a link, I often take websites down. I've also been told that the mere act of replying to someone taxes 4-core CPUs. To someone who is unprepared, that's shocking!So obviously, a service like Cloudflare is going to be in huge demand for running the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #ASU5GrTeSOxnbFVj4y by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:44:05Z
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Indeed, Cloudflare is one major Big Tech company that *loves* the Fediverse.They don't want to claim the network effect or a social graph. What's it to them whether or not a social media site has a proprietary API or is based on open protocols?The Fediverse creates demand for Cloudflare, especially when unexpecting spikes happen -- and instance operators suddenly have to pay $5,000 during a surge in use.Cloudflare sees money.Cloudflare wants your nodes!
(DIR) Post #ASU5GsBFqHqFmTuY2i by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:51:17Z
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What I've been saying for months: just because you don't want something to be built doesn't mean it won't be built!There's nothing about ActivityPub or Mastodon's API that prevents the existence of Wildebeest.And in many ways, Wildebeest is not just inevitable -- it's the first of many Big Tech projects that are to come.Even if you don't like this, it's near-impossible to prevent. Are you all going to Fediblock not just Wildebeest but every Mastodon instance that uses Cloudflare?
(DIR) Post #ASU5GskhiUCLYQUrIW by f4grx@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:59:12Z
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@atomicpoet we will fediblock wildebeest instances.
(DIR) Post #ASU5Gswkzfq69o8U5I by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:54:03Z
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If you don't want Cloudflare and Google and Microsoft to enter the Fediverse space, you have to engineer Fediverse software in such a way that small operators don't have a need for Big Tech.Cloudflare is here specifically because so much of the Fediverse is expensive to operate.When I post a link from this account, it shouldn't be tantamount to a DDoS!
(DIR) Post #ASU5GtmrrvWUlQW6JE by lamp@mastodong.lol
2023-02-08T23:01:58Z
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@f4grx @atomicpoet Why?
(DIR) Post #ASU5GtphhNn8uDqMjI by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T23:01:15Z
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But Cloudflare entering the Fediverse space is also -- in many ways -- an improvement.Hear me out.Okay, Wildebeest now exists, and Cloudflare is trying to capture as many nodes as they can.Boo đź‘Ž But Wildebeest also interoperates with Mastodon, Pixelfed, Pleroma, Calckey, Peertube, etc.Yay đź‘Ť And because Wildebeest is open source, it's *still* better than Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc.
(DIR) Post #ASU5sc5U7lc6sDCyvI by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T23:06:04Z
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The other positive aspect of Cloudflare creating Wildebeest: it further validates the Fediverse.Again, hear me out.When some middle manager asks you, "Who supports the Fediverse?" -- you can now say that Cloudflare is on board.That middle manager will be impressed. And he'll be far more likely now to let you migrate your organizations projects to the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #ASU5uSZYTJP5wU9bcW by f4grx@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T23:00:50Z
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@90sCraig @atomicpoet wait until cloudflare has a problem and all wildebeest instances go down simultaneously.
(DIR) Post #ASU61IPGfP6mRMbNS4 by lamp@mastodong.lol
2023-02-08T23:10:20Z
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@atomicpoet The "centralization" of cloudflare isn't like the centralization of Twitter because you still have authorative control of your data and you can always *move*. It's like saying Mastodon is centralizing on Hetzner cause a majority of the big ones use it.
(DIR) Post #ASU6H0CW7fdubs7wno by esm@wetdry.world
2023-02-08T22:14:41Z
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@atomicpoet cloudflare offering snake oil, as usual
(DIR) Post #ASU6JNsR4BWCcRs036 by madargon@is-a.cat
2023-02-08T22:13:59Z
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@atomicpoet Could they use it in Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategy?
(DIR) Post #ASU6JPki5sWkR4GrHk by jimcarroll@futurist.info
2023-02-08T22:12:41Z
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@atomicpoet Why subscribe to them evil intent?It's exactly what we've been predicting. A cloud based instance that someone can spin up in an instant. It's fantastic. There will be more of this to come.
(DIR) Post #ASU6JQFYFDCHyihUMC by esm@wetdry.world
2023-02-08T22:15:38Z
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@jimcarroll @atomicpoet because this is cloudflare specifically that we're talking about, a company with the goal to claim as much of the internet as they can
(DIR) Post #ASU6P5lxI8fwCrYp60 by shiruken@octodon.social
2023-02-08T22:30:11Z
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@atomicpoet Isn't Cloudflare already used as a remote proxy and CDN for a huge percentage of Mastodon instances?
(DIR) Post #ASU6P6y2qfwLueDzZw by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:35:27Z
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@shiruken Yes, but that's not without controversy.
(DIR) Post #ASU6SABjKYBglp55eK by ijatz_La_Hojita@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T22:43:29Z
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@atomicpoet Never let ease of use sacrifice integrity and decentralization.There'll always be "easy-to-use" apps, one click away from our Goolag, Amazon or Microsoft jails.But we maybe only have ONE opportunity to fix electronic social networks through a really decentralized Fediverse, even if it requires more efforts, and time to initiate each user to a wiser & more conscious relation to the Internet.
(DIR) Post #ASU6choHBG1PwT8atE by nunesgh@mastodon.social
2023-02-08T23:05:25Z
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@atomicpoet And we are still waiting for @mozilla's announcement of their server.
(DIR) Post #ASU6mfGHVg2AvzzAhc by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-02-08T23:18:52.888291Z
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@lamp @atomicpoet > It's like saying Mastodon is centralizing on Hetzner that's a true statement though, cf (or hetzner) can have an outage or flip a switch and they'll all turn off and there's nothing you can do unless you have fresh backups
(DIR) Post #ASUDCfFQmbOw97MvGS by nila@open-social.xyz
2023-02-08T23:01:43Z
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@atomicpoet Cloudflare is a huge threat to the internet and I can't understand why everyone thinks they are so great. They have done a lot of good for the internet but have also become a problem themselves.Plus, there are alternatives out there.Using a CDN is not always bad. But that everyone is using just Cloudflare is a problem.
(DIR) Post #ASUXH5GVzTpD4zGDc8 by jenniferplusplus@tech.lgbt
2023-02-09T01:03:26Z
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@atomicpoet I'm not as convinced that cloudflare doesn't care about the social graph. I'm sure they don't care for the usual surveillance capitalism reasons. But I think they might want to remove people's and communities control over it.This is the company that fought tooth and nail to keep kiwifarm and daily stormer online. And they still protect quite a few lower profile genocide incubators. I can easily imagine they want to prevent their hosted fedi nodes from blocking each other. And we can be pretty sure they won't respond to reports of abuse coming from nodes they host.
(DIR) Post #ASW31OOcUEhFTDZafg by fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza
2023-02-09T21:46:11Z
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@nila @atomicpoet for sure! It's just a massive MITM