Post ASTjLV2z55vmUSqNW4 by cvnt@freespeechextremist.com
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(DIR) Post #APyIgNcFZ8COufkrfU by evan@prodromou.pub
2022-11-25T19:12:21Z
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Hashtags didn't start out as a software feature on Twitter.@chrismessina proposed their use, and for a long time, they were just a cultural norm.It was months later that Twitter engineers turned them into links that went to a search result screen.Same thing with @-addressing. It was a practice for blog comments that came over to Twitter, but there was a long time that there were no affordances in the UI to support them.Same with retweets. People starting using "RT", and it took off.
(DIR) Post #APyIgOLcqQUlBOz6OW by evan@prodromou.pub
2022-11-25T19:15:16Z
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You and I and everyone here are part of the first 10 million people on the fediverse.We are setting the cultural and technical norms for the next few decades.So if there's something you wish Mastodon did, or ActivityPub did, just start acting like it already exists.If enough people want it or need it, it will get added by the software and protocols later.
(DIR) Post #APyKIOnfi8rRXnn2sy by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-11-25T19:34:51.814198Z
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@evan Or just make it actually exists if you're a developer or can ask a developer to implement it.
(DIR) Post #APyKNeZQVNAZu1dGwS by w@arachnid.town
2022-11-25T19:32:45.996809Z
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@lanodan @evan Or pay them.
(DIR) Post #APyKY17JX3k2j2QOtU by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-11-25T19:37:01.705250Z
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@w @evan Yeah but paying doesn't magically means you can skip the asking part.
(DIR) Post #APyOnwFDobfw40yGTQ by liaizon@social.wake.st
2022-11-25T19:19:55Z
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@evan while I agree with your underlying message there are issues that really really need to get addressed at a level that you can't just act like they exist, and thats safety tools for people who are just joining here for the first time and don't already have a support structure. I have been looking through the posts of many black and indigenous people and its pretty damming what this place looks like for them when they first come in.
(DIR) Post #APyOnwhE8U4pSs4d7o by itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media
2022-11-25T20:25:50.170122Z
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@liaizon @evan the problem is that many of the developers have no perspective, but all of the decision-making power. i have ideas that nobody wants to hear and next to no time or energy to make them exist.one exception is foundkey because I'm tight with one of the devs and they seem to think I have a good idea every once in a while.
(DIR) Post #APyPAnsv3wO0nTRTZw by itzpaquet@novo-atlantis.null.media
2022-11-25T20:29:59.652501Z
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@liaizon @evan I think this touches on a fundamental weakness of free software too. you have to be a highly trained specialist with a lot of spare time to really have a say in how things go. the "freedom" is for already privileged people and the movement is not concerned with changing that dynamic.
(DIR) Post #APyXaNG3TxyLNTy3do by memexikon@mastodon.social
2022-11-25T19:40:09Z
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@evan I want someway to interact with affinity groups, the hashtags just isn’t functional to use that way. But how to act like it already exists…
(DIR) Post #APyYaFCTXaOQLDnMdE by liaizon@social.wake.st
2022-11-25T20:31:16Z
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@itzpaquet @evan I think starting a little "union of developers who care ™️ and people who have ideas" might be a good path moving forward
(DIR) Post #ASNDHo14FYAOgLNm7s by manu@social.hoga.fr
2023-02-05T14:15:17Z
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@evan One thing that really bugs me, is the fact that I will not see most of the replies or likes.I can click on "original page" and read all the replies, copy the link back to my instance to interact with a toot-reply. Also, sometimes I want to check the thread to avoid replying something that has already been said.I'm at the point where I think about migrating my account from my personal instance to a bigger one - which defeats the philosophy.
(DIR) Post #ASNDI15ReaOPDgWxFo by evan@prodromou.pub
2023-02-05T14:54:59Z
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@manu I agree. One way to make do is for the OP to boost replies.
(DIR) Post #ASNDI1pWtFFvWc5l5M by paul@digitalstuntfactory.com
2023-02-05T15:01:54Z
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@evan @manu is this where relays could be helpful? I'm curious if that is a possible solution even though relays seem to dramatically increase resource requirements.
(DIR) Post #ASNErJgYb2BgzYHlYG by ilja@ilja.space
2023-02-05T15:46:25.421361Z
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@paul @evan @manu This got me kinda thinking. Pleroma has a build-in relay. The way it works is that each instance has a relay-actor who announces to it's followers all public posts made on the instance. A similar mechanism can be done here as well actually :blobfoxthink: When a new post comes in, see if it's part of a thread with posts from your own instance, then announce this new post with the same addressing as the other posts in the thread.It requires some overhead because now every time a reply comes in, you need to check the whole thread, but it's one idea and could be a start :blobfoxthink:
(DIR) Post #ASTj7XIHvlbvP9LN8i by chrismessina@mastodon.xyz
2023-02-07T19:01:26Z
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@evan actually, Twitter resisted hashtags for a long time. It was only when they acquired Summize that, like a Trojan Horse, hashtags found native support from the first party platform.
(DIR) Post #ASTjAa1qDfksks6PFA by ummjackson@mastodon.social
2023-02-07T20:43:39Z
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@chrismessina @evan Do many people still use hashtags on the Birdsite though? I did a quick browse over most trending topics and saw very few hashtags in use.
(DIR) Post #ASTjAaZADmPUQDh1BQ by chrismessina@mastodon.xyz
2023-02-07T21:00:36Z
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@ummjackson @evan Explore topics are personalized to you, so if you use hashtags, yes, you’ll see more hashtagged content.Hashtags are probably more popular on TikTok than Twitter at this point.
(DIR) Post #ASTjB7J0Us5txfO556 by nemobis@mamot.fr
2023-02-07T21:02:24Z
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@chrismessina @evan Is support for #hashtags regressing on #Twitter? Nowadays when I click one on the web interface I get to a *word* search. I usually manually type the /hashtag/* path to get to an actual hashtag search.
(DIR) Post #ASTjGvbCvyYhOMfhQm by shoq@mastodon.social
2022-11-25T22:38:55Z
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@evan For today .I just want people to stop focusing it all on"Mastodon." It's misleading. It's sorta like saying "I love Pizza Hut" when they just mean pizza :)
(DIR) Post #ASTjLV2z55vmUSqNW4 by cvnt@freespeechextremist.com
2023-02-08T18:56:20.917164Z
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@chrismessina @evan Isn't the point of using the hashtag that you can just regex it and don't need official support but won't be inundated with a deluge of matched words?
(DIR) Post #ASTjMRbNNNu65vNfAu by vruz@mastodon.social
2022-11-25T20:28:17Z
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@liaizon I've seen a lot of complaints about the inconvenience of the federated architecture and how its design philosophy doesn't match the aspirations of certain specific African American groups, but I have not seen a shred of evidence that anyone is being deliberately or unwittingly marginalised, rejected, segregated, or disrespected by the Fediverse at large. Sure disgusting racists exist everywhere in the world, and we do our best to kick them out.@evan
(DIR) Post #ASTjMSSCD09ejk5qVM by vruz@mastodon.social
2022-11-25T20:31:34Z
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@liaizon Moreover, none of the people who have complained have put a finger on it and said "This is what needs to change, this is unacceptable and here's how I would feel welcome and integrated".Saying "huh but federated feels wrong" and "you're a racist if you don't change the architecture" is not going to cut it.I'm hoping something more serious is discussed, in the meantime we keep building on for the rest of the 8 billion people who aren't Americans.@evan
(DIR) Post #ASTjMSvcRbgsCzrLMm by liaizon@social.wake.st
2022-11-25T20:41:20Z
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@vruz @evan this is 100% not true. There have been large scale attacks against marginalized people on the fediverse for many many years. And there have been many many people who have lead in depth constructive discussions about ways to mitigate this issues and then the developers with the most leverage have not used that power to give the people with the issues a priority
(DIR) Post #ASTjMTajyiaGGX6BSi by vruz@mastodon.social
2022-11-25T22:12:01Z
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@liaizon I was around in 2018 when the Nazis started a number of instances until they were isolated, and I know of at least one instance I used to belong to (which I resigned from) which was under threat of being defederated very rapidly for a lot less. I accept your account of facts and I believe you, because I haven't been here much in the last couple of years.What do we do now? I'm willing to help and to dedicate time helping to design something better.@evan
(DIR) Post #ASTjMU83ypErvsgnOy by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2022-11-25T22:22:16Z
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@vruz @liaizon @evan one current problem is although limited federation (allowlist) exists on Mastodon, activating it means setting the instance in some security mode that prevents non logged in users from viewing *any* timelines; so other folk can't see the instance content to decide whether they want to federate with it! I don't know why things were coded this way (or more importantly, if its easy to split the two functions)
(DIR) Post #ASTjMUllbCzvv1GVHs by liaizon@social.wake.st
2022-11-25T22:29:11Z
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@vfrmedia @vruz @evan another thing that is really important is getting instance listing sites to show the CoC of the instances in the filters, getting jointhefediverse websites to only show instances that are actually moderated to some level and getting software that does any on boarding to explain how moderation works here and to highlight who mods are more front and center in the apps
(DIR) Post #ASTjMVFXoUojPNCHhY by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-02-08T18:56:26.675499Z
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@liaizon > to only show instances that are actually moderated to some levelThis is a terrible idea and you should be ashamed for posting it.
(DIR) Post #ASTjTBanITo4TAK6Ii by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-02-08T18:57:43.272503Z
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@vruz @liaizon @evan until *THEY* were isolated?YOU are the ones that have isolated yourself. You built a wall around yourself and are calling the entire rest of the world isolated.
(DIR) Post #ASTpdp4pwsd5Y7pZCq by chrismessina@mastodon.xyz
2023-02-08T20:06:48Z
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@cvnt not exactly "the point" per se... because hashtags allow for emergent concepts to break out where conventional language lags. For example, regex wouldn't have matched "#BlackLivesMatter" until a community of people decided to rally around it as their bat signal.It's the generative aspect of hashtags that gives them particular power and relevance, especially across social media platforms.
(DIR) Post #ASTpo2nNnZNazaXa1Q by cvnt@freespeechextremist.com
2023-02-08T20:08:44.246292Z
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@chrismessina I think @admin does great work rallying the community around these hashtags. Just phenomenal stuff.