Post ASRlsaiynyc3FMTS9A by hermit@hermitmountain.top
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(DIR) Post #ASRf5uRS6n7mU5gAjo by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T18:59:16.853840Z
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@Tao Oh, you're legit a Taoist? Cool!
(DIR) Post #ASRf9Y6h5gnyN9hml6 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-07T18:59:55.668335Z
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@hermit @Tao same!
(DIR) Post #ASRfHM3DnZbzIXnqXg by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:01:20.024534Z
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@errante @Tao Wait really? Huh!I did a LITTLE research into Taoism for magical purposes, really liked what I saw. At least from the impression I got, Taoism and Hinduism (in broad strokes, not referring to specific sects) actually seem quite complimentary.
(DIR) Post #ASRfeEKydyMi2F135M by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:05:29.094240Z
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@hermit @errante Taoism is simply a philosophy of life. I think you could be a christian and agree with the philosophy of Taoism and Shintoism. I myself want to learn more about Shintoism :jahy_happy:
(DIR) Post #ASRfpF5gBQxHYa6yZ6 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:07:27.588656Z
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@Tao @errante I think Abrahamic religions are designed to be compatible with worldviews that actually convey something innate and authentic about the state of the universe (such as Taoism and Shinto) and I could write yet another long zeal-filled rant about it but I don't think it's the right time!I think Shinto is compatible with these too for sure, in fact I see Shinto as simply being more explicitly concerned with immanence and animism! I feel it's a shame that the transcendental notions they inherited are chiefly from Buddhism, honestly.
(DIR) Post #ASRfu7z620j6xuMUs4 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:08:20.831776Z
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@Tao @errante Sorry, in case the typo correction didn't federate, the word in the first sentence is supposed to be "incompatible" and NOT "compatible." It's important to me that I drive that home even for any observer who simply comes from an instance where edits do not feredate properly.
(DIR) Post #ASRfwfUOQs31SRDCwy by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-07T19:08:48.159349Z
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@hermit @Tao christianity is 100% compatible with Christianity
(DIR) Post #ASRfzJxSwOkVY64k2C by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:09:17.899464Z
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@hermit @errante Buddhism had a big impact for sure
(DIR) Post #ASRfzmLtNAvPbxidzk by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-07T19:09:21.743262Z
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@hermit @Tao uhh taoism oops
(DIR) Post #ASRg0CNYbbhoKehLCS by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:09:21.083148Z
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@errante @Tao Yes, they all run on the systemd of spirituality that is Yahweh
(DIR) Post #ASRg1nF91wngxEWWKe by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-07T19:09:43.182744Z
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@Tao @hermit christian missionaries translated The Word as Tao
(DIR) Post #ASRgDUuh0Roja2XRFQ by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:11:50.661720Z
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@Tao @errante Yeah and I find that kind of a shame because the Buddhist reaction to the Wheel of Dharma/Eternal Dao/Whatever doesn't seem very joyful, their religion seems primarily structured around a kind of ascetic transcendentalism rooted ultimately in self-annihilation (for example they don't believe in the Atman, they seem to think Self is entirely artificial.)By contrast I find Shinto to be full of joy, colour, sound and sensation, and I really enjoy that. It's what attracts me to more Vedically-driven Hindu sects that still have all these rituals where you dance and throw food into fire and throw spices everywhere and what have you.
(DIR) Post #ASRgNONGApu0C9cPNg by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:13:38.460860Z
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@errante @hermit I also think that Taoism is compatible with Christianity, to be more precise with Catholicism (at least to some degree). I forgot which Saint it was but there was a Catholic Saint(maybe Saint Thomas Aquinas) that said that Taoism is one of the philosophy of the east that is the closest to Catholicism.
(DIR) Post #ASRgQWdxsuXIi8vULw by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-07T19:14:11.104769Z
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@Tao @hermit catholicism sucks
(DIR) Post #ASRgSS3xt12d5F0Qts by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:14:32.832556Z
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@errante @Tao Christianity is "compatible" with Tao in the same way it's "compatible" with paganism: through appropriation! They have a fluoridated version of absolutely everything that's explained away as being part of this mysterious umbrella of creation that's ultimately in the hands of a figure described in explicitly artificial terms.As I've ranted about many times, when Abrahamic adherents approach "God," they approach a being enshrined in layers of supporting architecture designed to maintain its existence. This is because they are addressing a parasite. I am of the conviction that approaching God is not like this at all.
(DIR) Post #ASRgb6WtJgf4uAf6P2 by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-07T19:16:06.283632Z
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@hermit @Tao no, absolutely not. the tao is the fundamental order of the world; ie the natural law, the word of god, god's plan etc
(DIR) Post #ASRgnver32PGx5VBgm by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:18:26.465556Z
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@Tao @errante Of course he'd say that!! They're always looking for ways to justify their defective cosmology. Just look at the 19th century craze of Vedic scholarship in Europe, a lot of it was along these lines too ("N-no see it's still compatible because...")
(DIR) Post #ASRgrUJCfpOzHw4W7k by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:19:05.251803Z
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@hermit @errante Based. Yea i agree with you. I respect Buddhism but i line more with the Taoist approach about how to live life (which is a joyful life). I really like this youtuber called George Thompson that spoke on the subject of Buddhist Enlightenment and the Taoist view on it, ill leave the link here https://youtu.be/_gd9ms2d5sc
(DIR) Post #ASRgxu1vxG4Ynd3LSi by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:20:13.786592Z
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@Tao @errante They can do this because it doesn’t really matter what philosophy you embody or even what you claim to believe, what matters is whether the letters you send to “God” get there, or get to Yahweh instead. It’s the most insidious installation of a “fake godhead” I’ve ever seen. For all the literature describing Krishna as “Literally God” there is always the very open and nakedly stated fact that his Vishvarupa is a product of his Ishvara: namely, that his notion of God is personal.The very core of the lie here is that Abraham’s notion of God is absolute.
(DIR) Post #ASRhPxWuXL8PlHv8gC by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:25:19.042374Z
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@hermit @errante Well Saint Thomas Aquinas took alot from Aristotle for his work called 'Somma Theologica' Sum of Theology in english. It is one of the biggest philosophical piece of work of the Catholic Church which comes from a greek philosopher, which alot of people would call a pagan.
(DIR) Post #ASRhR1NzgXDa0kFwwa by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:25:29.795595Z
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@errante @Tao Yes, it's the fucking Dharma! They were observing the same thing!"God's Plan" as understood in Christianity is NOT the Dharma, it is NOT the Dao. Look at who plans and executes it, who oversees it - a being capable of absolute anthropomorphic manifestation that speaks in absolute commands, only to prophets. Look at what it sets out to achieve. Consider, for example, the Kingdom. Look at where dead souls are said to go: they do NOT reincarnate, their souls are trapped in stasis and eternally harvested for either praise or suffering, whichever is easier to extract.They use this global terminology to trick you. In Greek, the "God" of the Bible is "Logos." In Japanese, he's "Kami." In Yoruba, he's "Oroban." I have absolutely no doubt that a Christian has tried to sell their god as "Brahman."
(DIR) Post #ASRhcX6I6zItYbStTk by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:27:35.383451Z
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@hermit @errante what is the dharma ? im a noob when it comes to hinduism
(DIR) Post #ASRhdQFP4oGyan9Rom by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:27:43.700642Z
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@Tao @errante Thank you! I will save this to watch while chilling and smoking later. ;3I'm guessing from the title that the "Enlightenment" referred to here is at least the annihilation of the Self, if not the exit from Samsara?
(DIR) Post #ASRhgzjrZqx5XG6OTg by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:28:23.748036Z
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@hermit @errante yes the annihilation of self
(DIR) Post #ASRi3Dd6byKWzLXSG8 by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:32:24.748381Z
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@hermit @errante im reading about this on wikipedia and im already confuse. i asked many of my indian friends about hinduism and they just made it more complicated to understand lul. since you are knowledgable on hinduism, could you recommend a book or resource that would touch all the fundamental belief of hinduism ?
(DIR) Post #ASRiCyCmoXl22usTjM by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:34:09.546948Z
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@Tao @errante Yeah, the Christian scholarship of Aquinas' time was explicitly concerned with linking their cultural and religious identity to Rome, and ultimately, to Greece too. Their work was definitely made easier by the arguable emergence of a kind of nascent Greek monotheism in the late Classical era, though I've always had some doubts about just how authentic that movement actually was - and to be honest, I haven't examined its notions enough to establish whether it is legitimately monotheistic in the Abrahamic sense or one of the much looser and more slippery notions of "monotheistic" that Christian scholars and clueless atheists frequently employ in a more global context (e.g. "Hinduism is monotheistic because of Brahman")
(DIR) Post #ASRiGKHbBdCHO4jG6q by errante@rot.gives
2023-02-07T19:34:44.460308Z
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@hermit @Tao what was the greel monotheism?
(DIR) Post #ASRiJNjonT4QyKNxpo by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:35:19.814027Z
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@Tao @errante Then I anticipate a lot of smug nodding during this video, thank you~
(DIR) Post #ASRidpmqDoubktYHaa by netdoll@freespeechextremist.com
2023-02-07T19:39:02.070892Z
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@hermit @Tao @errante It really depends on who is practicing and where, but I would definitely say that most strains of neoplatonism were/are monotheistic and that this trait developed in a direct opposition to Christianity in the battle for ideas which characterized the third and fourth centuries.
(DIR) Post #ASRjCxQToL9daFqB7I by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:45:21.212873Z
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@Tao @errante Sorry I can't really, to lay my cards fully on the table I had a revelatory experience and my frequent use of Hindu terminology is the result of a desperate search for adequate vocabulary with which to explain myself. I haven't read a single authoritative resource on Hinduism and bluntly, much of my actual knowledge of it literally comes from Wikipedia.My understanding is that the word "Dharma" is most frequently translated as "Law" but could just as easily mean something like "natural order" or "Way." In isolation it's a loose term used to refer to both the Sanatana Dharma ("The Eternal Law") which is the universal law itself, and the more personal kinds of Dharma (which govern the conduct of individuals.) Hinduism promotes heterodoxy and as a result the amount of sects are massive, they have conflicting interpretations and many of them are coloured by either mistranslations/common mistakes (e.g. conflation of "Brahma" with "Brahman") or the needs of people in the past to ease social tensions through syncreticism (notably Smartism.)As an example, Krishna talks about how the Sanatana Dharma (or universal law) discourages violence, someone whose karma (in this sense, something like a "purpose for being" even though the word more literally means something like "a record of your deeds") is to be a warrior is justified in committing acts of violence anyway, because their individual Dharma takes precident over the universal grounding.When dealing with Hindu concepts I like to try and boil them down to what I see as their true or essential essence, and I don't think that's invalid since the core notion of Hinduism is that there is very little absolute about the universe (in fact, Brahman itself , the "absolute reality," could be consdiered the only absolute) and the rest is individual interpretation and reaction (hence the popular analogy of blindfolded wise men feeling the same elephant, and deciding it is a tree or a rope or whatever based on which body part they're feeling.)In this sense, I am using the word "Dharma" to refer only to that which is extremely apparent as the conditions of nature, in both an immanent and transcendent sense. (For example the laws of physics are a kind of Dharma, but so is the cycle of rebirth.) I'm not sold on the notion of an explicitly moralistic Sanatana Dharma, at least on an academic level, though it's true that when contemplating these things in psychedelic states I immediately come to the conclusion that violence is only "possible" for me because of the Yuga we are currently in, as in the notion of a nonviolent Dharma is more apparent in the Satya Yuga then the Kali Yuga.)This is why I used the term synonymously with "Eternal Dao" - perhaps I did so incorrectly, and upon reading this post you feel inclined to disagree (and if so please do express that, I need more education on Taoism for sure) since my understanding of Dao is that it is the very conditions of existence, reality and the cosmos itself, a beauty of cycles within cycles.
(DIR) Post #ASRjKMgIJNXBwDlmzY by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:46:42.823000Z
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@errante @Tao I dunno lol, I've barely looked into it. Like, seriously, barely.
(DIR) Post #ASRjave05UvP0VaxV2 by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T19:49:42.458578Z
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@netdoll @Tao @errante Now that's interesting, because I have seen Christians cite Greek monotheism as non-Judaic precident for their ideas. In what sense do you think the two schools of thought were opposed?
(DIR) Post #ASRkOV8OvMAJGgS81Y by netdoll@freespeechextremist.com
2023-02-07T19:58:40.408130Z
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@hermit @Tao @errante In a couple of senses. The first is that neoplatonism put a greater emphasis on gnosis (received knowledge) and negative theology compared to the imperial/great church, the fact that it was directly compatible with the imperial cult and didn't disallow idolatry (in the Abrahamic sense), and rather directly it was an attack on the Christian doctrines in the sense of "hey, we can do this too you know!". Of course, Christianity being what it is, the eastern churches served to syncretize the useful parts of it over the span of a couple of centuries and leave the rest to pasture. (Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite comes to mind here, as does the various nascent occult traditions within the Roman cultural sphere of influence which borrowed from it)
(DIR) Post #ASRkVKh68iG6umwJKi by Tao@bae.st
2023-02-07T19:59:54.159704Z
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@hermit @errante well from what you are telling me it seems to be the quite similar to a point that i would also just use the word interchangeably but i need to learn more myself. ill download a couple of pdf and watch a couple of videos on Hinduism now :heh:
(DIR) Post #ASRloNVU0Rjd5v9UNE by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T20:14:32.301341Z
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@netdoll @Tao @errante But did they believe that there was "one God, and all other gods are false," or that there was "one God which every god and all things are a part of?"
(DIR) Post #ASRlsaiynyc3FMTS9A by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T20:15:18.557955Z
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@Tao @errante Happy learning! I should watch more about Taoism myself. :3
(DIR) Post #ASRlvLUht3nisc6y8m by netdoll@freespeechextremist.com
2023-02-07T20:15:48.862436Z
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@hermit @Tao @errante Again, it depends on the practicioner. Julian the Apostate for instance, rather famously, believed in the latter.
(DIR) Post #ASRm91NbT9zAY9JGng by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T20:18:16.657259Z
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@netdoll @Tao @errante Thank you! This has helped to put it into context. It sounds like this movement was specifically a reaction to Abrahamic religions rather than a pregenitor.
(DIR) Post #ASRm9cxhjtqd6pU7hw by netdoll@freespeechextremist.com
2023-02-07T20:18:23.726326Z
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@hermit @Tao @errante But probably the majority principle aligns with the latter, yes. The reason Christianity was able to coopt it so easily was because it was simply able to redefine "the One" as God and leave the rest of it more or less intact.
(DIR) Post #ASRmU4AcI00PHmGpEm by hermit@hermitmountain.top
2023-02-07T20:22:04.908099Z
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@netdoll @Tao @errante I'm really grateful you came into this thread, that's helped to put a lot of things into context