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(DIR) Post #ASRS1iI42wdiEcxO9g by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T16:32:13Z
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**** #Mastodon usage in collapse. Why? Everyone knows why. It isn't user friendly. And the Mastodon Priesthood wants it that way to keep out anyone not like them! ****Active users have fallen by 1.4 million. Many former Mastodon users returning to #Twitter, which is about three orders of magnitude easier to use. Wired reports that Mastodon's founder -- Eugen Rochko, didn't even respond to an email asking about the shrinking number of users. By behaving this way, Mastodon is further empowering Elon Musk. Congratulations!Mastodon shows declined growth, despite concerns with Twitter - https://searchengineland.com/mastodon-shows-declined-growth-despite-concerns-with-twitter-392787The Mastodon Bump Is Now a Slump - https://www.wired.com/story/the-mastodon-bump-is-now-a-slump/
(DIR) Post #ASRSConOCUUhb0u7V2 by guenterhack@chaos.social
2023-02-07T16:34:21Z
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@lauren Do we have _any_ independent reliable data about actual Twitter usage?
(DIR) Post #ASRSjTOEo6awlPi7w8 by wackJackle@norden.social
2023-02-07T16:40:20Z
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@lauren 'Mastodon is empowering Elon Musk' might be the dumbest take this week. It's only Tuesday, but in this day and age it's still fucking impressive how dumb this take is. Congratz.
(DIR) Post #ASRT8vbx1DBTWuGMOO by virtualbri@mastodon.online
2023-02-07T16:44:56Z
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@lauren Yeah, I can feel it on the timeline and it’s a real bummer. A lot of reporters I follow just went back quickly, which is really disappointing.
(DIR) Post #ASRTJ0uKBKFGqsfMIq by BoredomFestival@sfba.social
2023-02-07T16:46:43Z
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@lauren dammit
(DIR) Post #ASRTL3DqXujCbuljE0 by WN1X@noc.social
2023-02-07T16:47:08Z
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@lauren So is there an alternative service besides Mastodon?
(DIR) Post #ASRTOW5nfD2b1Deq24 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T16:47:49Z
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@BoredomFestival What did you expect? Mastodon is a stream of unforced errors, one after another.
(DIR) Post #ASRTQEJGkanYRgm5k8 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T16:48:04Z
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@WN1X Yeah, it's called Twitter.
(DIR) Post #ASRTUJMBvYSpG15UvI by PlayAllTheThings@linernotes.club
2023-02-07T16:48:43Z
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@lauren Well, all I know is that I am infinitely happier here. So I will stick with that.
(DIR) Post #ASRTnRGsj4uvIzj0Iy by codered@chaos.social
2023-02-07T16:52:05Z
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@lauren You understand the the difference between (de-)centralized systems and closed vs. open source? Yea? Why are you expecting an answer from “Mastodon’s founder” on that question then?
(DIR) Post #ASRTpcPOHywEQTkCoK by RedGreenLibre@gnulinux.social
2023-02-07T16:52:35Z
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@lauren I enjoy it here, and find it fairly intuitive. My only big gripe is that months after the influx of new users the interface is still really crap. The 3 colour schemes the web interface offers make it very difficult to navigate. Also, but this could just be my small instance, there is nothing for translation of posts.
(DIR) Post #ASRTtu04pEk48zwkHg by mkarliner@mastodon.modern-industry.com
2023-02-07T16:53:26Z
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@lauren Well, me, ever the optimist, would posite the following.a) I think Mastodon is following a classic hype curve, and that's what the Wired curve looks like.Yes, it had a big burst of enthusiasm, and yes, it's tailed off, but it's put a big kick up it's ass, and the community is actively working on the usability issues. b) How did Wired generate those numbers? I don't know of a reliable way to get Fediverse user stats, please correct me if I'm wrong.
(DIR) Post #ASRTvgr2fiT9x7Zb72 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T16:53:24Z
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@codered Because ignoring the press when you're a personality well known in relation to anything is almost always a bad choice.
(DIR) Post #ASRTxavNgs3O8kVjG4 by HSTG@freeatlantis.com
2023-02-07T16:54:31Z
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@lauren You Twitter refugees didn't belong here. Now fuck off.
(DIR) Post #ASRTy07e0PiYI1RNLM by admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com
2023-02-07T16:54:10Z
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@lauren Do we have any explanation for this? Because it seems fairly normal to me, and fairly difficult to explain through bad UX. This is how every website with accounts works to some degree -- a lot of people who register never really log in again. Personally, I've probably got hundreds of abandoned or nearly abandoned accounts out there. So it seems perfectly normal and expected that shortly after a surge in new registrations, we'd see a dip in active users.And none of these articles point to UI/UX issues being the culprit either...if anything they seem to point to a lack of moderation rather than any issue with the Mastodon software itself. Too many users, not enough sysadmins. But even that appears to be a guess without much evidence to back it up. It'd be nice if any of the people publishing about what is driving users away from Mastodon ever bothered to find and talk to a single person who had left...But I suspect that isn't the point. Twitter is better for these corporations -- it effectively lets them buy reputation -- so they're eager to "prove" that Mastodon has "failed"...
(DIR) Post #ASRTzmjikFXFLy6Kxs by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T16:54:07Z
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@mkarliner Much of it appears to be the stats self-published by the API.
(DIR) Post #ASRU9UMTuudzGDrHJw by nach@bae.st
2023-02-07T16:56:37.975906Z
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@lauren @lauren MASTO CUCKS ON SUICIDE WATCH :top_kek:
(DIR) Post #ASRUIUj7vcJP02kF5U by mkarliner@mastodon.modern-industry.com
2023-02-07T16:56:41Z
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@lauren c) I think the time is coming, if it isn't already here, that we regard Mastodon/Fediverse as a one man band. Even if Eugen keeps Mastdon as it is, other platforms are rapidly coming up.d) However, we can't be complacent. All the stuff you mention needs to be addressed, and we also have to welcome the wider community, including businesses, which is what I'm doing, (please don't shout at me) :-🙂
(DIR) Post #ASRUJQ3InHJon7cewq by WN1X@noc.social
2023-02-07T16:58:09Z
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@lauren Been there... done that... We need a non-Musk Twitter
(DIR) Post #ASRUR9EtBkCUxljB0i by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T16:59:20Z
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@admin There's a pile of obvious reasons. Onboarding is still a mess. Finding people to follow is a mess. Actually following them is a mess. The lack of any real search capabilities renders the platform useless for much of value to most people. I could go on ...
(DIR) Post #ASRUkKazBpMJgcD71k by codered@chaos.social
2023-02-07T17:02:53Z
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@lauren Yea? Is that the reason why Elon fired all PR and does not react to many press requests?
(DIR) Post #ASRUsNmFFDrVs2JeM4 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T17:04:31Z
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@codered Yep, it's bad policy and certainly damaging in the long run to Twitter.
(DIR) Post #ASRVLNztVN7Wx2WwFs by tivasyk@mastodon.social
2023-02-07T17:07:03Z
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@virtualbri @lauren no it's not. reporters want to shout into echo chambers, they don't find it on #fediverse (because of the intended desing decision on that topic), so they go back to t & f. why is this a problem for fediverse users?
(DIR) Post #ASRVLOiunz8JCfatQe by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T17:09:39Z
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@tivasyk @virtualbri Ignoring the press is enormously self-destructive. I've watched people and firms do this for many, many years and the results are always the same. I've done innumerable interviews since early ARPANET days -- print media, web media, radio, TV -- and I assure you that when people who really know what's going on refuse to deal with the press or make them unwelcome, the bad actors will fill that void with their own propaganda, doing enormous damage.
(DIR) Post #ASRVhRjYIGtEuVPCi0 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-02-07T17:13:59Z
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@mkarliner @lauren I refer to the #Fediverse because a decentralized network, by nature, is not dependent on one software package.
(DIR) Post #ASRVrrDIPovipXHZ7Q by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-02-07T17:15:53Z
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@lauren "which is about three orders of magnitude easier to use"I guess the question for me is what we need?I think we should be one order of magnitude harder to use to keep the entertainment audience away.
(DIR) Post #ASRW2KtaudOBmf40eW by Pjobphd@scicomm.xyz
2023-02-07T17:17:23Z
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@lauren Prerequisite #HashtagClairvoyance kills usage. People need to be able to find information quickly, especially wrt #BreakingNews
(DIR) Post #ASRWzL08AE8ZCEFshM by coldacid@noagendasocial.com
2023-02-07T17:28:26Z
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@amerika @lauren I agree, and not just because "NORMIES KEEP OUT REEEEEE"Being more difficult to enter and become established keeps discourse at a higher quality (frenpoasting/shitposting notwithstanding) as people want to get out of the community value equivalent to what they put in.
(DIR) Post #ASRXASbWEiR5xi2y8G by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-02-07T17:30:27Z
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@coldacid @lauren The closer the net gets to television, the more we get nonsensical people who then become a market for nonsense.Best to keep entertainment separate from information-driven networks.Also making it slightly difficult to use -- note key word "slightly" -- serves as an IQ filter.
(DIR) Post #ASRXErOW0bFK0R3wGW by admin@mastodon.slightlycyberpunk.com
2023-02-07T17:30:50Z
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@lauren Are these problems really driving people away, or are these the problems faced by someone who is still here anyway?And some of these (like search) are pretty fundamental to the design of the platform. It's like complaining that my compact car is no good for hauling drywall, or that some big behemoth of an SUV gets bad gas mileage. If you're trying to use the search box to find that guy you went to highschool with, you want Facebook, not Mastodon.There will be a learning curve; there will be habits that have to be changed; that is the nature of any software transition. Solutions that try to conceal those differences will introduce their own problems. Even searching for a celebrity...how do you filter out imposters? You could try to filter by follower count, but that's reported by the imposter's own sever so they could spoof that. And now not only do you have people getting scammed, you have also made all stats collection on the platform way less reliable. You could have all searches go to some central authority that moderates who can appear in the results, but then it ONLY works for celebrities, at the cost of violating what mastodon has promised to all of its existing user base.
(DIR) Post #ASRXqMo6BEBW93uhQu by tomjennings@tldr.nettime.org
2023-02-07T17:37:33Z
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> big kickup, then fall backThat's a common phenom in new site, new software, new drink, new sandwich at McDonald's. A response to novelty.For a single stepwise change, there's a damped oscillation, people try the new thing to varying degrees of effort, some adopt, some fall off. In and of itself (I fkn lurv that phrase) it is a normal course.Not to make light of your concerns. The initial "choose an instance" thing baffled me years ago, and again in 2021 when I pushed through it. And I for one should have been one to grokk it. For me, my personal trajectory etc, when I realized that (on ancient terms belying my age) "oh, I just gotta sign up to some BBS or other" and I can move later -- which is now what I in essence tell people now --- I did just that, and moved twice to this lovely place. So yeah critical response is needed and constructive. I'm far from home ATM on expensive bw so I'll stop here.@lauren
(DIR) Post #ASRZ3wiS5C0VEXJMDA by CloudedJudge@cyberplace.social
2023-02-07T17:51:14Z
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@lauren can you blame the communities that lived here before November 2022 for not wanting to be more like twitter. They are on mastodon because they don't fit in in places like twitter. Can you blame Rochko to serve his original core users and not the twitter expats? It's not their job to stop a billionaire super villains evil plan. They never asked for this. It's unfair to expect it of them.
(DIR) Post #ASRZc9bievsn3rTQga by AbortTheGQPNOW@mastodon.social
2023-02-07T17:57:24Z
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@lauren There will always be that New Kid on the block. Things go up and down. Many of us, me included, are now on multiple platforms and that means less time on one only. Stuff happens. We shall see.
(DIR) Post #ASRa4J2JCF04PeKntg by tivasyk@mastodon.social
2023-02-07T18:02:34Z
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@lauren «Ignoring the press is enormously self-destructive» — for a business built around selling audience, yes.but is #mastodon such a business? and is #fediverse a business at all?besides, following my previous comment, do you think building another «echo chamber» for press, this time decentralized, would serve the best interests of fedizens?and if so, what would you want from mastodon developers? the code's under gnu agpl, nothing stops from building on it, right?
(DIR) Post #ASRa9dQqnCiB7KM3xw by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T18:03:40Z
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@tivasyk Only the mainstream code matters, the forks are mainly fluff with few users relatively.
(DIR) Post #ASRaBRqErBZHkV5v5U by BoredomFestival@sfba.social
2023-02-07T18:03:52Z
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@lauren I expected people to reject over fascism/racism/anti-science-ism, and I was a fool to do so
(DIR) Post #ASRaKOGzUg91Hts6hU by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T18:05:32Z
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@tivasyk It's not just businesses. It's EVERYTHING involved with society. The press is how people form opinions, how they vote, it shapes their world view. Either help keep that accurate or don't complain.
(DIR) Post #ASRaQI5zNGoZrlXUMi by PirateRoberts@defcon.social
2023-02-07T18:06:28Z
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@lauren Mastodon is definitely for the faint of heart. #Twitter will survive, and be stronger for it. Now if we can only get government to follow the spirit of Norwood v. Harrison (1973)
(DIR) Post #ASRd0kg6mYdOqYwnnE by waotzi@stereophonic.space
2023-02-07T16:40:07.873215Z
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@lauren so predictable 🤣🤣
(DIR) Post #ASRd2692SI5piK7ZuS by janne@libranet.de
2023-02-07T16:59:39Z
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@WN1X @lauren Well, there are different apps to browse the fediverse. I'm on Friendica. Then there's Misskey and Calckey. And a couple of others.If that's what you're asking.
(DIR) Post #ASRdBh5OThiStJzZKq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-02-07T18:37:52.459456Z
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> ? Everyone knows why. It isn't user friendly.couldn't be censorship, with petty wanabe-tyrants keeping millions of people from freely communicatingno that couldn't possibly be it#fediblock
(DIR) Post #ASRi25rtyyZacxvHbU by tivasyk@mastodon.social
2023-02-07T19:31:46Z
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@lauren i'm not a specialist here, but i think only the protocol matters; as long as your implementation is activitypub-compliant you'll be able to «talk» to the entire fediverse.now, whether people crowd in to you from either twitter and mastodon is another thing entirely, and depends on how good your implementation caters to different needs.trying to transform a tool that already meets some folks' expectations by NOT being #twitter into a «better twitter» doesn't attract me for once =)
(DIR) Post #ASRiQh5nEgoT1f9PTk by tivasyk@mastodon.social
2023-02-07T19:36:11Z
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@lauren either i have misunderstood you, or vice versa. or both for that matter.i'm NOT against press. but that doesn't mean i want to invite it to my house for god's sake. meaning: i already love #fediverse for what it is (and is NOT), and i definitely don't want it to become more comfortable for press that for me =) yeah, i'm that egoistic.if i need news, i can always go read something on twitter, why not? so if the press prefers there or here, no problem with me =)
(DIR) Post #ASRifY398ewDK9znii by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T19:38:57Z
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@tivasyk So you're saying you don't really care that MOST people, who do rely on mainstream media, are being fed misinformation because people who have accurate information don't want to talk to the media? That's what it sounds like to me.
(DIR) Post #ASRjiy6EqHPowIdXea by sallyexactly@mastodon.online
2023-02-07T19:50:41Z
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@lauren The number of active users fell *TO* 1.4 million, not *by* 1.4 million. Starting from a baseline of 380,000, that's more than tripling. I understand what has sparked this conversation, but the context is #Mastodon tripled its active users in less than four months, and that seems just as important as the part that's getting all the attention.
(DIR) Post #ASRkherSz4VYwBfNZ2 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T20:01:45Z
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@sallyexactly Another chart says falling from 2.5m to 1.4, so that would be a fall of 1.1m.
(DIR) Post #ASRl4uUH3Mle3puDc8 by sallyexactly@mastodon.online
2023-02-07T20:05:56Z
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@lauren Correct: by 1.1 million. I was referring to the first sentence of your second paragraph, which says by 1.4 million. Not a huge issue, but as the difference is almost equal to #Mastodon's total active users pre-Twitter meltdown, it seemed worth pointing out.
(DIR) Post #ASRlELSk848iKUgkwi by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T20:07:40Z
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@sallyexactly Yeah, that was from yet another source. The exact numbers are hard to pin down, but clearly there has been a massive drop from the peak.
(DIR) Post #ASRmWpYH63XEofedM0 by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-07T20:22:11Z
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@sallyexactly I just added a clarifying note.
(DIR) Post #ASRmg5A0QxBPpciMDY by sallyexactly@mastodon.online
2023-02-07T20:23:52Z
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@lauren Got it. I appreciate you adding the clarification.
(DIR) Post #ASRvYHr2FkM8TLCODg by Setok@attractive.space
2023-02-07T22:02:52Z
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@lauren part of the drop is natural. There was a huge spike of signups, but many ended up not doing anything (even properly testing), or posted only a couple times. What does need to happen is vitality those who are active here bringing in more active users. For that to happen #Mastodon needs to be more than just a #Twitter replacement, but to have value beyond that, as a platform.(Unless Twitter completely collapsed, as here is where everyone will move)
(DIR) Post #ASS9JE7TFv3tu3bDhQ by Breedlov@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-02-08T00:31:45Z
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@Setok @lauren I agree that #Mastodon needs to be a replacement for #Twitter, but do you REALLY want EVERYONE on Twitter to move here? I quit Twitter the day #Musk announced he was buying it because of the people on the site & those I feared he would attract.
(DIR) Post #ASS9JEdjJyrlW6gyyu by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-08T00:37:27Z
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@Breedlov @Setok Where did I say that everyone from #Twitter should move here? In your imagination, apparently. People happy with Musk and Twitter will stay there, so long as it lasts. That's fine. People disgusted with Musk and Twitter and interested in Mastodon should be welcomed here with open arms, without technical or political "purity tests". As I wrote quite sometime back, much of the attitude here is so very much like the Old South -- which had "voter education" tests that ostensibly were to make sure prospective voters knew enough about the voting process to be good voters, but actually were racist bigotry designed to keep only the "right people" voting. And you know what, I'm getting tired of arguing about this, and one of these days I'm just going to say To Hell with this as well. It's been fun, it's been nice seeing intelligent engagement and so many of my old contacts here, but I don't hang around in sick places that don't want to get well.
(DIR) Post #ASSMHuM0YaSHiS6HpI by cenobyte@mastodon.thirring.org
2023-02-08T03:02:48Z
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@lauren I’m very much happy to have more people here..or even on my instance.If you could change things..what kinds of things would you change?
(DIR) Post #ASSNA64pBhABi9u0Wm by lauren@mastodon.laurenweinstein.org
2023-02-08T03:12:38Z
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@cenobyte I have detailed this in many lengthy previous posts here. If the #Mastodon Priesthood wasn't so opposed to having a decent search system for this ecosystem, I could probably find them for you. I'm not going to write them again now though. Sorry.
(DIR) Post #ASSSraNitGNrvHIYgi by cenobyte@mastodon.thirring.org
2023-02-08T04:16:31Z
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@lauren Not to worry. I’ll seek them out. Me and @Satori were discussing some ideas on how search might work better by having nodes that pass on queries almost like DNS but for the fediverse. I’m not a big fan of priestdoms so I’ll keep pushing at it.
(DIR) Post #ASSiuILI0yrQ6uTR7A by Setok@attractive.space
2023-02-08T07:16:13Z
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@lauren @Breedlov I don’t personally care if everyone from Twitter moves, as long as this grows. But if this is only for people who find Elon or Twitter disgusting, we won’t get very far. There needs to be reasons beyond that. I’d also be worried about this becoming an echo chamber. Bring on the different political views and debate. The platform should be easy to approach for anyone who so wishes (now it’s not quite there).
(DIR) Post #ASSkQPxfK5c2xeIyX2 by alasaarela@equel.social
2023-02-08T07:32:45Z
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@lauren @Breedlov @Setok Couldn't agree more, Lauren. I was attacked hard when I joined in late November simply for being an entrepreneur and advocating other entrepreneurs to join. Some people tried to even get my server on the block lists for a specific reason that it was intended for entrepreneurs. I was seen as "wrong kind of person" to join. I'm still here for now, with a belief that decentralized social should be given a chance. So either 1) Mastodon becomes more friendly to users and especially mainstream users who want social discovery like search and QTs, or 2) some other decentralized social platform that enables this should emerge.It does not make sense that the "public square of the internet" is owned by a single corporation or individual. A successful social protocol with many companies and individuals participating is the right approach.
(DIR) Post #AStAqmEeubb2cPKfsO by MaleGoddess@poa.st
2023-02-21T01:32:18.804457Z
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@lauren @laurenThe fediverse > TwitterFuck those niggers.