Post ASQ14U3mWG4d34PfAO by exosome@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #ASOoWMAzvlmK8zmyFU by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T10:00:43.731908Z
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Whether vaccines technically work or not is kind of beside the point, they're conceptually broken. In free country, they'd be made by competing businesses that people trust enough to voluntarily take them.But the whole premise of vaccines is that people are coerced or forced to take them at risk of social exclusion by state power. So they are guaranteed to always be "government quality" crap just good enough to please a bureaucrat - and because it's completely centralized, the risk of supply chain attacks / poison is massive.Even if they work, states should be forbidden from practicing social exclusion. Drug companies just need to put their thinking caps on and invent something which works WITHOUT relying on totalitarian coercion.
(DIR) Post #ASOpY7DqbHrSIYWZ0K by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T10:12:15.218107Z
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But the whole premise <-- let me elaborate: The person taking the vaccine is not the customer, the customer is the person deciding which vaccines are required to avoid social exclusion. So vaccines can NEVER be tested in a free market the way something like aspirin or ibuprofen is.Therefore, the "success" of a vaccine has nothing to do with how well it works (if at all), but rather how good the company is at lobbying. In fact the smartest vaccine maker will put essentially zero effort into making it, just enough to bang out a patent, and put all of their effort into getting it recognized by governments.
(DIR) Post #ASOpuep2MEgMsRfUQK by r000t@ligma.pro
2023-02-06T10:15:49Z
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@cjdLook closer at the year 2021. The state had practically zero power to enforce any sort of mandate, and they knew it quite well. They knew precisely one half of the country was waiting to run to the cameras at the very first sign of anything resembling a mandate... And they did.All of the mandates were put into place by businesses. First towards customers, then towards people who could be corcered into giving up medical records under threat of starvation and homelessness. You know... Employees.Government will never ever directly take control of anything. They will get private business to do it, because that guarantees the ancap tards will see absolutely nothing wrong with it.
(DIR) Post #ASOq68P6iIzzoD0prE by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T10:18:24.827775Z
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What about schools?
(DIR) Post #ASOqWFONM1OZ0m7bzU by EdinEurope@social.freetalklive.com
2023-02-06T10:23:09Z
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Why are Klaus Schwab and others determined that EVERYONE get the Covid "vaccine?"Because the vax is totally ineffective, but you can't prove that unless you have a control group. The unvaxxed are the control group. No unvaxxed, no control group.The control group is key to PROVING they're lying. Without proof, they can lie endlessly about how effective it is and how many lives it saved, and the propaganda media can broadcast the lies to the gullible public using "fact checkers" to stomp down the truth.They ARE lying. The Covid "vaccine" has saved precisely ZERO lives, but it HAS KILLED MILLIONS and INJURED MILLIONS MORE!!!#DiedSuddenly #VaccineInjury #VaccineDeath #MillionsDied #MillionsWillDie #StopTheShots #GeneTherapy #ExcessMortality #PopulationReduction #VaxCollapse #VaxRegret
(DIR) Post #ASOrYq7rqktJTMCTnE by r000t@ligma.pro
2023-02-06T10:34:11Z
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@cjd it literally just hit me that I hadn't heard a single thing about schools and vaccines, period. what were schools doing? iirc kids couldn't get it even if they opted in, at the time.
(DIR) Post #ASOrfda6t8dKareTlQ by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T10:36:00.994169Z
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There's a list of vaccines which are required in order to enroll.
(DIR) Post #ASOs2ChwyBALuJ4ziK by mpjgregoire@mamot.fr
2023-02-06T10:39:12Z
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@cjd You're generalising excessively. Maybe it's different where you are, but many vaccines are completely optional in Canada, most notably for the flu.It's also true that the drug approval agencies generally insist upon careful testing to demonstrate efficacy -- they're not approved on the basis of lobbying politicians.#vaccines
(DIR) Post #ASOs6FkRblIiUjB1wu by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T10:40:50.634623Z
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> careful testing to demonstrate efficacyWhat is the efficacy rate of the covid vaccine 1 month out? I don't remember what number they settled on. Was it 1% ?
(DIR) Post #ASOu2krsABNdlF6xGK by FourOh-LLC@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T11:01:24.283924Z
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"many vaccines are completely optional" is a key phrase.I know nothing of Medicine, but I know that in the USA people were coerced into making a choice: vaccinate or lose your job.The two (medicine and coercion) are separate concerns, they should be separate. Quite many people, I assume, understand coercion, regardless of what they understand about the medicine attached to it.Test result from the same entities trying to coerce people are worthless. Its not even worth the time arguing about it anymore.
(DIR) Post #ASP28wDLgpQoK1cErI by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T12:33:22.169794Z
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This is in fact a paraphrase, the correct quote is: "Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now."https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/if-people-let-government-decide-what-foods-they-eat-and-what/
(DIR) Post #ASP5zASyFK0FRcWGnY by mukona@bitcoinhackers.org
2023-02-06T13:16:27Z
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@cjd wow, hard to believe it's a quote! Tks for the link explaining where it would be from. Seems legit.This guy was just dead on! Like, all around. Fascinating.
(DIR) Post #ASPSF1xTqOJagNl8JE by bane@www.banepo.st
2023-02-06T17:25:48.035308Z
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@cjd Every bit of information on modern vaccines, from many governments to thousands of studies and tests by others over the decades, has shown that not one of them is safe to have injected into a human, and many actually spread the illness from which they supposedly provide protection (for example, the polio vaccine, which is a greater danger than the wild virus).Did you notice that the media went completely silent on child vaccination as soon as the governments and their masters had a new vaccine to push?
(DIR) Post #ASPeuanEQumA2kYAme by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T17:33:48.943361Z
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@r000t @cjd > Government will never ever directly take control of anything. They will get private business to do it, because that guarantees the ancap tards will see absolutely nothing wrong with it.To my knowledge, in the US, it's corporations that control the government, not the other way around.I believe businesses implemented mandates because they knew that they were otherwise risking large numbers of sickness among the workforce, ultimately leading to loss of profit.We've actually seen a pretty big example of that happening in Germany:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-germany-ventilatio-idUSKCN24I1ON1,500 workers infected, production shut down, forced to install HEPA filters before they were allowed to reopen.To be completely fair, it sounds like it might have been related to the way the ventilation systems work in meat production sites: Air being constantly recirculated to save on cooling, with viruses surviving longer in the cold air...Anyhow. I wonder what motivation you think governments have that leads them to implement vaccination mandates, other than a combination of protecting the economy (corpo profits) and protecting public health.
(DIR) Post #ASPeubJ8WIIRdhTeVs by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T19:47:40.621596Z
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> I wonder what motivation you think governments haveWell of course pharma makes a lot of money, and offers jobs to govt people who grease their palms with public money.But more than that, bureaucrats like to feel like they're important and that that they're helping. Governments have done a huge amount of damage simply because bureaucrats:1. Always think there's an emergency2. Always think intervention is necessary to stave off disaster3. Always think that they're qualified to interveneIn reality, there's essentially never an actual emergency, and as such, government intervention is almost never necessary and it almost always makes things worse.But if you believe these things, then you realize that bureaucrats are more or less useless. So as a bureaucrat, you will almost by definition believe the fantasy hero story.
(DIR) Post #ASPiforoDyJfAJu0TA by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T20:21:13.861895Z
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@cjd @r000t That's a really extreme position to take. I think there are a lot *more* emergencies out there that are not getting enough or even any attention. Of course, some issues may in turn be blown out of proportion for one or another reason, but I don't believe COVID was an example of that. It's easy to look away and think that everything must really be OK when you live in a small privileged bubble that's relatively unaffected.
(DIR) Post #ASPifqHix6djYz2DVA by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T20:29:50.016838Z
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What about New Hampshire, look at Sweden. They didn't do anything and they're still here, right?Name a war in the last 50 years was truly necessary? Every last one of them seemed necessary at the time - but which one actually DIDN'T make things worse?How about name a government program which actually ended poverty. Anywhere in the world.My position is only extreme if you're an interventionist bureaucrat.
(DIR) Post #ASPkQ88f0KjOD8QmVk by lain@lain.com
2023-02-06T20:48:55.843184Z
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@r000t @cjd idk man, in germany it was illegal to leave the house after curfew and you weren't allowed in restaurants without being vaccinated.
(DIR) Post #ASPkYxwCIiNFBAoZAO by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T20:38:33.876892Z
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@cjd @r000t https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95699-9> The UK and Sweden have among the worst per-capita COVID-19 mortality in Europe. Sweden stands out for its greater reliance on voluntary, rather than mandatory, control measures. We explore how the timing and effectiveness of control measures in the UK, Sweden and Denmark shaped COVID-19 mortality in each country [...]> [...] UK mortality would have approximately doubled had Swedish policy been adopted, while Swedish mortality would have more than halved had Sweden adopted UK or Danish strategies.I don't know, preventing the early deaths of thousands of people sounds like kind of a big deal. Of course, you'll now probably argue that this study can't be trusted for one or another reason, or that old people dying earlier isn't a big deal, or something.
(DIR) Post #ASPkYyPGYdcsdKPmTY by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T20:51:00.465657Z
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Do you believe everything that you read in the journal Nature?
(DIR) Post #ASPlQr2m9FndR4aUlc by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-02-06T21:00:50.474693Z
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@r000t @cjd > public private partnershipsIronically this is literal actual moussolini fascism :blobcatpolicepeek:
(DIR) Post #ASPliNSAu3OmsKp78C by histoire@pleroma.skyshanty.xyz
2023-02-06T21:03:55.798463Z
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@r000t @cjd >They will get private business to do it, because that guarantees the ancap tards will see absolutely nothing wrong with it.ah yeah, you're right, they based their strategy around one of the smallest political minorities, who hold absolutely no positions of powerand of course, plenty of ancaps protested it, but you'll post the most surface level college shit imaginable to stick it to your boogeyman
(DIR) Post #ASPmMyqfHxXuRAdiFc by Prosirer@blazingopen.space
2023-02-06T21:07:53.326027Z
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@cjd The attempted merging of science and state, the direct opposite of church and state which is no longer in fab for the western world. Dare question the science, and the state will defend them. Same thing, different side.
(DIR) Post #ASPnHiPL5U1PxAuZ4y by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-02-06T21:21:35Z
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@lain @r000t @cjd "unvaccinated" could literally only buy food and some hygiene stuff for months in germany.i don't care about fucking restaurants! something broke in your house? tough luck, better get someone to fix it (expensive). you even weren't permitted into the goddamn home depot by order of the government.to add insult to injury the people defending this shit are calling those who demonstrated against this nazis.
(DIR) Post #ASPnwxQ8AuyoO5wnoW by lain@lain.com
2023-02-06T21:22:26.257273Z
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@bonifartius @r000t @cjd you could go into home depot, but only to buy catfood. if you also bought a hammer, that's illegal. (source: happened to me)
(DIR) Post #ASPo6XEeNyk04V91O4 by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-02-06T21:30:47Z
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@lain @r000t @cjd xD
(DIR) Post #ASPomjrPps8BOHOv0C by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T20:58:37.941457Z
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@cjd @r000t I have no time/nerves to engage with someone's weird conspiracy mentality.
(DIR) Post #ASPomkPRnLLx5pK62y by book@seal.cafe
2023-02-06T21:33:16.445568Z
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That's a yes.
(DIR) Post #ASPpExiNv2j6T2dPt2 by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T21:43:30.012614Z
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> weird conspiracy mentality
(DIR) Post #ASPpnT9HYUCLnsfbHM by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T21:49:44.188730Z
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Yup, "scientists" are the same thing. It is impossible for them to admit that there is no emergency, never was, and they've never actually discovered anything and doubtful they ever will.
(DIR) Post #ASPpxuj7sKJ2EPPrTU by book@seal.cafe
2023-02-06T21:51:12.530781Z
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You ever notice how all the scientists who made big discoveries did so before you were born, and all the big discoveries since the don't have big names attached? Who's the galileo of plate tectonics, discovered in the 50s? Fuck if I know man.
(DIR) Post #ASPqWpO3iirLo1D6iO by exosome@poa.st
2023-02-06T21:57:58.624883Z
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@bonifartius @lain @r000t @cjd Without mask I couldn't even that. There is more injury within. Both sides did no research here. "Nazi" is a shutdown word and jewish construct that has nothing to do with National Socialism. Hitler did nothing wrong. Holocaust is a hoax. Also you might want to get off that instance, it's run by a degenerate covidiot that should be hanged.
(DIR) Post #ASPqZEjqR3or0jY6rI by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-02-06T21:58:23.818865Z
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It’s called technocracy. They tried to make us a technocracy.
(DIR) Post #ASPqhoBsVckpHRkUm8 by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T21:59:55.640798Z
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The way science supposedly works is that someone suddenly discovers something that nobody knew before and then they are heralded as a prophet.How it actually works is someone builds a cult around himself by attacking the accepted dogma and promoting his own. If he's effective then eventually everyone gives in to his cult and he's heralded as the great discoverer.Do if you want to actually discover something, you're literally better off ignoring modern science and reading and testing old texts that are considered "pseudoscience" because it's possible that they're actually more right than the modern cult.
(DIR) Post #ASPqpljbWZfDyoJtI0 by CentaurBreeder@bae.st
2023-02-06T22:01:23.635716Z
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@NEETzsche @Prosirer @cjd >technocracyI hope we at least get tech priest like from 40k.image.png
(DIR) Post #ASPrARoulDeaIWfEYK by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T21:54:18.417881Z
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@cjd @r000t Yeah, I'm 100% standing behind that statement. Discarding a scientific study outright without providing *any* sort of argument against it is just anti-science conspiracy bullshit that I have no patience for. Might as well believe in sky fairies or lizard people.
(DIR) Post #ASPrASLApHSRuZkzpo by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T22:05:01.523296Z
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Muh appeal to authorityWell, at least the Replication Crisis *is* a crisis, so now the scientists have something fuss about.
(DIR) Post #ASPrBpjDMAC4jketbk by gnu2@gnusocial.jp
2023-02-06T22:04:44Z
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@bonifartius @lain @cjd @r000t @taylan I'm unaware of any state in which it is illegal to not get vaccinated. I know many public schools require them, which is more a reason to abolish (or at least not enroll your offspring in) public school. I do agree, however, that giving them out for "free" at taxpayers expense is awful. I feel american capitalist have done a great job directing the discussion to be about pro vs. anti vaxx such that any questioning of why Pfzier gets my money to give me free stuff and charges signficantly above market rates to the government labels me as an anti-vaxxer is a real problem.
(DIR) Post #ASPrE1rlCPq2xdhdoG by Prosirer@blazingopen.space
2023-02-06T22:02:17.707411Z
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@NEETzsche @cjd Powered by some twisted transhumanist philosophy, but yes.
(DIR) Post #ASPrGw8IyI1e34pOaW by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-02-06T22:06:18.156489Z
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Transhumanists displace technocrats. But they’re not really here yet. They’re bubbling in the background still.
(DIR) Post #ASPrlOnMyCgpdAYqiO by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T22:11:46.097970Z
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The easy solution is to defund any institution which imposes vaccine mandates. If mandating vaccines is required in order to maintain health within a business, that decision should be made by the business owner alone - or else just install an air filter.
(DIR) Post #ASProo7BHyuT1iS9OC by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T22:12:24.317005Z
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*babbling 😂
(DIR) Post #ASPuAsBZ2DKfvm9WVc by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T22:36:27.474454Z
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@cjd @r000t Trusting a scientific study with a detailed description of its methodology over some guy on the Internet saying "trust me bro" is not an instance of appeal to authority. That's not how that works.
(DIR) Post #ASPuB4tbmHh5LqqrpI by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T22:38:42.902330Z
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Who said that ?
(DIR) Post #ASPv9WqgyiMDQAJSdM by exosome@poa.st
2023-02-06T22:49:47.437545Z
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@cjd @taylan @r000t that guy is dumb as pipe.
(DIR) Post #ASPvSDDQCObO1zqxpg by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-06T22:53:08.439963Z
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It's like demolishing a strawman argument, except I didn't have to create it 😏
(DIR) Post #ASPxZ9wowkUTpdWqem by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T23:16:16.089910Z
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@cjd @r000t @exosome What's this if not a variant of "trust me bro"?You expect me to disregard a scientific study published in a major journal for no other reason than the fact that some random dude on the Internet said I shouldn't trust it. No reasoning, no argument, just an empty statement amounting to "they're wrong, I'm right."You're acting stupid, and arrogant, and now pretend that you won some sort of debate. Like a pigeon on a chessboard.
(DIR) Post #ASPyRGXIfQYhu2OLAW by exosome@poa.st
2023-02-06T23:26:36.792777Z
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@taylan @cjd @r000t bla bla blanever heard of shifting burden of proof either. You assert without evidence that study is correct and "scientific" by default. You several times equated science to trust and belief. No arguments given. That he won is a weak word, he proved you are retarded liberal screetching "trust the science"
(DIR) Post #ASQ0UzaHprHMOVh2ky by gnu2@gnusocial.jp
2023-02-06T23:39:45Z
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@cjd @lain we should defund all the things though
(DIR) Post #ASQ14TRUobRt8KV5UW by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-06T23:51:57.965096Z
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@exosome @r000t @cjd > You assert without evidence that study is correct and "scientific" by default.The evidence IS the study you moron. Click on the fucking link and read the text. Those are the arguments.God, this is the most retarded line of reasoning I've encountered in a long time, and I assure you I subject myself to the writings of "screeching liberals" constantly. Even they make more sense than you."Bla bla bla" indeed, jesus christ you're dumb. Responding to a link to a study with "you have to argue why it's correct first" is just peak idiocy. If the study didn't argue for its own correctness already, it wouldn't have been published.No but seriously, this is one of those moments where I'm just stunned by how hollow minded someone can be. It's not that you're just unable to understand the science, no, that would be totally fine. Statistics is hard. The problem is, you're not even able to understand how scientific studies and arguments work at a basic level.What do you even think a study *is* at its core? It's a bunch of carefully formed arguments based around observed evidence. What else did you think it was?Fucking poa.st never fails to deliver. Thought I had muted the whole domain...Oh jesus fuck of course you're a nazi too. OK, fuck, I'm probably bullying a mentally ill person right now and should stop. Should have checked your profile earlier.
(DIR) Post #ASQ14U3mWG4d34PfAO by exosome@poa.st
2023-02-06T23:56:02.747238Z
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@taylan @r000t @cjd
(DIR) Post #ASQjwqHsUTObbdjjyS by k1tteh@uwu.social
2023-02-07T08:18:55Z
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@bonifartius @lain @r000t @cjd i remember having to get a shopping cart to enter because that's how then kept track of how many people were inside. i literally just needed painters tape
(DIR) Post #ASQnuRJSm1HTO2aVyy by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-07T09:03:17.805944Z
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I ain't gonna read this wall of text, but I'll explain you why people are laughing at you.Linking a paper which uses statistics to defend a political position is like linking to a paper by the Biden administration about how the economy did better under Biden. It's by definition cherry-picking facts to defend an opinion.I gotta paper for ya:If you wanna save thousands of people, defund science.
(DIR) Post #ASR1PIE7u7AfaW8Nbk by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2023-02-07T11:07:58.465606Z
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@cjd @r000t Are you going to argue that pirates are good for the climate next?What point are you even trying to make? Your only argument against the study seems to be "people I don't like did it."When you say people are laughing at me, you're talking about a grand total of one (1) person other than you, and he's evidently a brain-dead Nazi LARPer who doesn't even understand how debate works at a fundamental level. So, if you meant to use appeal to popularity next, at least do it right.
(DIR) Post #ASR1PIozh2f5QrNp4a by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
2023-02-07T11:34:28.687173Z
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Was trying to make a joke there but I forgot you're German.
(DIR) Post #ASXwNWpXUxq6dVgzmi by LukeAlmighty@gameliberty.club
2023-02-10T19:41:10Z
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@taylan @r000t @cjd @exosome Compare following statementsThe study is a proof that the study is scientificThe Bible is a proof that God exists.The cult leader saying he is prophet is a proof that he's a prophet.If you have a problem with even one of these claims, you should take a moment to think.