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(DIR) Post #ASNlMgVH0T31Gr0cHw by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T21:50:41.039113Z
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I actually think artists are going to survive the AI revolution just fine (some of them, anyway). The problem with these AI tools is similar to what happens with all these 'no code' tools. The moment you need to actually customize something, you're fucked. I think it's very likely that the AI tools are going to be optimized to produce components and the high level composition will probably be left up to the human. No matter how good the machine learning is, you can't describe your exact constraints into a prompt if you don't just want a shit product. Porn artists might be kinda screwed though.
(DIR) Post #ASNlRagS4UcYfYZpuy by KorgyPS2@freecumextremist.com
2023-02-05T21:51:34.679758Z
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@RustyCrab I feel about it the same way i do about samplers in music production.
(DIR) Post #ASNlS4Wv6Up1EgLeE4 by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T21:51:40.016686Z
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@RustyCrab yes
(DIR) Post #ASNlb1xM2ejprNz5yy by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T21:53:16.181378Z
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@deprecated_ii I really would not be surprised to see "AI assisted photoshop" in the next few years
(DIR) Post #ASNlePwvIDAh8rOiSu by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T21:53:52.905627Z
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@RustyCrab aren't they already using a bunch of ML crap in photo editing software
(DIR) Post #ASNlkZyCwtB1xSw8VE by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T21:54:48.016184Z
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@deprecated_ii not that I've seen but I haven't kept up with that stuff
(DIR) Post #ASNlrlxalhgpAi4wSm by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T21:56:18.778493Z
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@RustyCrab blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2020/10/20/photoshop-the-worlds-most-advanced-ai-application-for-creatives
(DIR) Post #ASNlsdGYZvLqUsMKsi by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T21:56:27.601367Z
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I wonder if AI art can even be copyrighted since it isn't a work of any human.
(DIR) Post #ASNlw5GyuEqWEAChFo by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T21:57:05.459277Z
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@RustyCrab I've never really looked into it but my mom is pretty serious about photography, and some of the stuff she's shown me pretty much had to be some "AI" business under the hood
(DIR) Post #ASNm8aUEgCwKVhMj0i by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T21:59:21.102969Z
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@Humpleupagus @RustyCrab it'll be up to the courts but I'd say the person using the tool owns the copyright of the specific workwhat'll be fuzzy is when other people using the same tool say you copied them because your "work" is similar to theirs. because of course it would be, working from the same data foundation
(DIR) Post #ASNmCjO5Wpj9H3Swbo by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T22:00:04.925609Z
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@Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii the usual precedence for this is that any content generated at the demand of the user belongs to the user. I've never seen any software that deviated from this except a couple, in which the developers quickly realized that was suicidal and backed off.
(DIR) Post #ASNmKmw2DsNWaqBbIe by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:01:32.967861Z
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I think a human would have to alter the output in such a way as to make it a unique, and not merely a derivative, work.
(DIR) Post #ASNmRtb1r4btHOkYHg by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:02:49.485185Z
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Is that by ToS?
(DIR) Post #ASNmYeugqOIdliAfbM by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T22:04:03.745477Z
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@Humpleupagus @RustyCrab I don't see whyif you take a picture of something, you own the copyright despite doing nothing but pressing a button
(DIR) Post #ASNnOLS8RWoUTGScYi by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T22:13:23.744633Z
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@Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii yes, which as far as I know is how it gets applied to law
(DIR) Post #ASNnZqoSBhJmuxO0ps by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:15:28.660902Z
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If the ToS is a contract, and the developer doesn't own the copyright, it can't be tranferred by contract. It may act an estoppel to keep them from claiming one as against the user though.
(DIR) Post #ASNncE7KVslJm4LfAO by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:15:54.744538Z
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I'm gonna think about this. đ€
(DIR) Post #ASNnor8pFSCgHS4Pho by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T22:18:10.576583Z
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@Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii frankly I think the more interesting question relates to the training data, not the users. Like what happens when you have a bot trained on a living artist very clearly meant to imitate his style? The work is, by definition, derivative and transformative but does feeding the artists works into the machine count as fair use?I personally lean towards yes but I actually don't think the courts will agree. Partially due to perceived fairness and partially due to retardation.
(DIR) Post #ASNnvoTHZdey1hxKvg by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T22:19:25.141746Z
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@Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii d's photography example is spot on. The company does not own the picture that was just snapped. You do because you aimed it and pressed the button. It's really not any different for this.
(DIR) Post #ASNoXJ3oo3lVc0vKWu by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T22:26:13.539047Z
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@RustyCrab @Humpleupagus this feels like more of a trademark question than a copyright questionif an artist can't be stopped from aping someone else's style (but not pretending to *be* the other person) I don't see how training an AI on someone's work can be stopped. plus it's completely unenforceable anyway
(DIR) Post #ASNp99Drpdku6XfTto by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T22:33:03.799657Z
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@deprecated_ii @Humpleupagus probably more trademark then, yeah
(DIR) Post #ASNpt4Pg2tq8Vc5c4O by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:41:21.403014Z
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It's not necessarily spot on. While a person can own a copyright in mere point and snap, it's rarely enforceable due to cost because the court will not award sufficient damages to cover court / attorney costs, because the point and snap photographer has no market. So they're usually copyrights in name only.Even then, the point and snap is taking a picture of a pre-existing subject, and at times could violate copyright or not create one at all, e.g. taking pictures of pages in a book does not create a copyright in the photographer, and may violate copyright. That's why I still need to think about whether the analogy fits or whether the rough edges can be smoothed.
(DIR) Post #ASNpvHCzRa5ulwCuoa by EJM77@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:18:46.391112Z
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I donât know much about AI, and youâve all probably seen this but here it is anywayhttps://petapixel.com/2023/01/13/ai-machines-are-entitled-to-copyight-man-takes-his-case-to-federal-court/
(DIR) Post #ASNpwFnaAf12gnmzBI by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:41:56.530938Z
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Interesting. Thanks. đ€
(DIR) Post #ASNqBUzzwHRwAxrkES by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T22:44:41.825610Z
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@Humpleupagus @RustyCrab if the standard of copyright is "it's worth taking to court" then almost nothing is effectively copyrighted, and big business can do whatever it wants because it can drown any opposition in legal fees
(DIR) Post #ASNqFrczkN4ZW6BhVA by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:45:28.593184Z
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His fundamental mistake was naming his system as the creator of the work. All property must be owned by a human or association of humans. This is common law 101. He should have named himself as the owner, and analogized the system to a paintbrush.
(DIR) Post #ASNqIlXCrHOZUGrcTA by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:46:00.626604Z
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(DIR) Post #ASNqJsmVOtdEFhYJOa by RustyCrab@sleepy.cafe
2023-02-05T22:46:11.627255Z
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@Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii has there ever been a case where a photograph has been successfully claimed by the owner of the object that was being snapped or filmed? The only case that immediately comes to mind would be taking a camera into a theater and recording the screen. I actually disagree that taking pictures of a book doesn't create copyright. It very well might if the contents of the photo is transformative (such as putting it on a book shelf with other books, presenting it as the primary subject) or as a parody. I think it comes down to whether a judge would see it as "are you obviously just trying to circumvent copyright"
(DIR) Post #ASNqhiYR4kZxU4KwfA by InceptionState@poa.st
2023-02-05T22:50:31.592803Z
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@deprecated_ii @Humpleupagus @RustyCrab If you register your copyrighted work within three months or before it is infringed, you get statutory damages including attorney's fees and costs. So there is an entire industry of attorneys who will take copyright cases on contingency, since they have an excellent chance of getting paid. Even if the underlying award is something like $750, they will still get to bill their $300/hour rate.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf> When registration is made prior to infringement or within three months after publication of a work, a copyright owner is eligible for statutory damages, attorneysâ fees, and costs
(DIR) Post #ASNqwt5EDBLETyuPHU by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:53:15.247023Z
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There really isn't with respect to an original owner that I recall. I've seen it duscussed in dicta though. That being said, Equal Three v. Junkin Media deals with point and shoot type copyrights that are licenses on behalf the original owner, but the original owners weren't involved. Equal Three was also aggregating that content. It's a good case though, it does discuss how you can turn copyrighted material into a new work that's different than the original. Junkin wins on a few points and loses on others, so the juxtaposition makes for good law. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equals_Three,_LLC_v._Jukin_Media,_Inc.
(DIR) Post #ASNqzsj0084uEtwHSK by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:53:48.146716Z
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Let my get my photo album. đ
(DIR) Post #ASNr42O01SZzMU69Xk by EJM77@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:54:12.441552Z
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Maybe the person who initiated the command or input would have a better chance. AI is progressing so fast it will be messy until there have been precedents set
(DIR) Post #ASNr8xSTlsO9WhXXN2 by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T22:55:26.516292Z
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@InceptionState @Humpleupagus @RustyCrab and what percentage of "creators" do you suppose actively register their work on an ongoing basis, given the fees, the likelihood of infringement, and so on
(DIR) Post #ASNr9DjjFVh40pjXTk by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:55:29.437917Z
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The problem is very similar to the crypto / SEC problem. Current law makes a poor fit. It'll probably take a act of congress, and that act will favor Google. đ©
(DIR) Post #ASNrSqRNZZ8TYLVZL6 by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:59:01.692434Z
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Very few. I had one once in with a non-profit where the founder who had recently retired had copyrighted material she created while working for the non-profit in an effort to coerce an illegal retirement plan for her in violation of 501(c)(3). That's the only time I've seen something minor get filed.
(DIR) Post #ASNrTG4EIG4D24sRrk by EJM77@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T22:57:32.268712Z
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Isnât it funny how the laws seem to work for the big boys :(
(DIR) Post #ASNrToiTT8SeUjy4Jc by InceptionState@poa.st
2023-02-05T22:59:13.185985Z
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@deprecated_ii @Humpleupagus @RustyCrab I'd expect anyone who does it semi-professionally. It's a one-time $250 cost for:> Registration for a database that predominantly consists of photographs and updates theretoOr $55 for:> Registration of a claim in a group of published photographs or a claim in a group of unpublished photographscopyright.gov/about/fees.html
(DIR) Post #ASNrXkMxZaESAfmKem by IHaveToPoop@poa.st
2023-02-05T22:56:41.524172Z
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@RustyCrab @Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii It would create a copyright to the specific image of the words but not of the work its a photograph of. So the only way that would pan out would be if the person who photographed the book sued someone who was selling copies of their photographs without permissions or license.
(DIR) Post #ASNs6k4ueBAjP61YnY by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T23:06:14.848936Z
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@InceptionState @Humpleupagus @RustyCrab IDK where you're getting "one time" out of that. update the database and you'll be paying againI can tell you virtually no independent writers bother with registering copyrights
(DIR) Post #ASNsCeph3w3ysAj5Wq by IHaveToPoop@poa.st
2023-02-05T23:03:09.989528Z
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@RustyCrab @Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii A good way to look at it would be fan art. I don't own the rights to Mario but if I draw a Mario picture I own the copyright to that picture. If someone tried to sell my picture I could sue, theoretically, but its hard to argue damages when I don't have rights to the image and would have a hard time telling the court how someone stealing a picture I'm not legally allowed to sell without infringing on someone else's copyright is damaging to me.
(DIR) Post #ASNsCfN142iaXWJhT6 by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T23:07:17.992553Z
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Wouldn't most fan art be derivitive? I think Mario Gotse is either parody or fair use though. đhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_art
(DIR) Post #ASNsKE4oQPpQCsPHhw by victor@crucible.world
2023-02-05T23:08:26.086909Z
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@EJM77 @Humpleupagus @deprecated_ii @RustyCrab The ruling will be whatever makes Disney the most money
(DIR) Post #ASNsSMxVHl2o4Rs4vY by Red_Hat@nicecrew.digital
2023-02-05T23:10:09.586260Z
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Mario Goatse?
(DIR) Post #ASNsW5hBPaFHgj0o3k by InceptionState@poa.st
2023-02-05T23:10:50.006400Z
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@deprecated_ii @Humpleupagus @RustyCrab Maybe I misunderstood and it's $250 for updates to the database as well? Still, if I were doing photography at more than a hobbyist level, I would pay the $55 every few months to register my work.
(DIR) Post #ASNsXlUhUU3Vc7yJ2e by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T23:11:07.428368Z
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(DIR) Post #ASNsgKbSq7ycosDho0 by VIcFury@poa.st
2023-02-05T23:12:41.154955Z
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@Humpleupagus @Red_Hat @IHaveToPoop @deprecated_ii @RustyCrab itâs a me Goatsee~!
(DIR) Post #ASNsnUCJZBg0bRrtFQ by deprecated_ii@poa.st
2023-02-05T23:13:58.326481Z
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@InceptionState @Humpleupagus @RustyCrab the fundamental problem is vast amounts of work are being created by people who aren't doing it professionally and can't justify spending $1000 a year on registering copyrights just in case, and if the government is only going to effectively enforce copyright for people who paid their protection money, copyright basically doesn't exist for most works
(DIR) Post #ASNsuEhzYLNqaju5ei by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T23:15:11.247292Z
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Humpleupagus' Law: As a thread about copyright gets longer the odds of Humpleupagus posting a picture of Mario spreading his ass cheeks increases.
(DIR) Post #ASNt5hOlE1SqkzNGtM by InceptionState@poa.st
2023-02-05T23:17:16.246095Z
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@deprecated_ii @Humpleupagus @RustyCrab Yeah, the system definitely favors entities with a lot of money and influence. Just look at how Disney and other legacy media companies keep getting the copyright duration extended indefinitely. They like the current system because it works for them.
(DIR) Post #ASNuzVOz79YJineaI4 by EJM77@eveningzoo.club
2023-02-05T23:35:22.725475Z
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I think youâre correct, especially with photography âWhat AI opens up is an opportunity for all the people who were okay with average-quality photosâthe people who were never going to spend money on a high-quality photo in the first placeâto look a little better.âhttps://petapixel.com/2023/02/05/will-ai-destroy-the-professional-headshot-industry/