Post ASNCze3GYisMZ5kdE0 by WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net
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 (DIR) Post #ASNCzdY4QhvF0L9ibI by jon@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-03T21:56:58Z
       
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       Are you free to use whatever browser you want at your school or workplace or are you forced to use, say, IE/Chrome/Safari?#browser #choice
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCze3GYisMZ5kdE0 by WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-03T22:06:47Z
       
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       @jon our browser policy does not allow VIvaldi - it's a globel company and all sorts of people were using all sorts of strange browsers, one of them me , "but you are the only one who actually knows what he is doing". I understand that they need to reign it in. Our head of global IT told me what they would love to see given Vivaldi's feature set: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/72202/make-vivaldi-the-favorite-browser-for-it-admins
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzedmMy5COKpn8a by jon@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-03T22:13:04Z
       
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       @WildEnte , the reality is that the companies building those browsers everyone if forced to use are also ad companies and they collect data. @Vivaldi does not. We are rather unique there.Thus there is no reason for a company or school to not offer Vivaldi as a choice to their users. We have considered adding more options for easier install on large systems. There have been some requests for that and clearly we want to make it as easy as possible.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzfCAJ7aY6yvFjc by WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-04T06:23:41Z
       
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       @jon @Vivaldi true, plus they actually do allow users to install extensions,  in our case they are at least aware that allows more 3rd party potentially dubious software on users' computers. Their benefit is control over what happens where with their group policies and can shut things down that cause issues. Another thing they may want is the ability to  deactivate certain features they don't trust, e.g. mail. They have no time to analyze all software, so they err on the safe side.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzflyA0EDu1fqXg by jon@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-04T13:40:31Z
       
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       @WildEnte @Vivaldi, basically MS FUD is working on them. Do not trust competing software. "Do not allow non-MS software on the pure MS installation". There is a reason why the message from MS when you try to change browser is that you should use the MS recommended browser...
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzgJe8nAPaTQk2C by WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-04T14:24:28Z
       
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       @jon @Vivaldi nope, that's not it, they do support Firefox. They are responsible for the network, have too few resources --> strategy: minimize risk, minimize work, use established solutions where you can call support 24/7. You'll never get fired for using MS or IBM. Today Vivaldi doesn't provide any value to the admins by solving one of THEIR problems and fewer than 0,1% users are asking to use Vivaldi. No business case for them.Vivaldi Mail doesn't play with Outlook or HCL Notes as a PIM.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzgsk2JEvLJqljk by jon@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-04T14:59:19Z
       
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       @WildEnte @Vivaldi I think you are underestimating the effect of FUD. It is quite effective, which is why it is used.I guess there were many enough that demanded Firefox for them to allow it. Maybe some of the system administrators wanted it even.Utilizing argumentation that can sound logical is quite effective. In reality they are supporting Big Tech and  to be frank I am sure they would prefer not do.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzhP06N2mxMwX1E by WildEnte@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-04T16:37:55Z
       
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       @jon @Vivaldi (I'm humbled by you discussing with me here) My point: even if there was no big tech fud at all, business admins are multiplier group. Make it easy for them && give them something *they* lke e.g. when new execs find the browser w/ corporate branding & all speeddials & panels tailored to the business needs  People are so much more open to go the extra mile when there's something in it for them beyond just work.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzi33hR5QxbgWSO by jon@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-04T16:51:57Z
       
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       @WildEnte @Vivaldi, I am happy to discuss with you. You are a friend. 😀 I think you underestimate the effect of the FUD. There is not that much work for someone to allow the use of a piece of software. It may in fact be more work to limit it.In reality people are forced to use software that collects their browsing data. How can that be right?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASNCzidDX00glkbOoi by jon@social.vivaldi.net
       2023-02-04T15:01:08Z
       
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       @WildEnte @Vivaldi . an additional note. The issue with not using Vivaldi Mail is that it does not support proprietary MS technologies...Of course they should not use technologies that tie them to one vendor. They should focus on open standards. They need to learn.
       
 (DIR) Post #ASND76d2i00RDq2j8C by jeff@federated.fun
       2023-02-05T15:26:45.708184Z
       
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       @jon @WildEnte @Vivaldi the lingering effects of FUD from inter project tribalism in FOSS is the biggest existential threat to software freedom.(i get FUD thrown at me all day about lokinet)