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 (DIR) Post #ASFo05bcFwAT3tDJS4 by thamesynne@dragon.style
       2023-02-02T01:41:42Z
       
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       so yesterday i discovered that at some point i had changed my bank card's PIN to something - and i remembered neither doing it nor what the new PIN wasand i had to ring my bank and ask them to please unlock my card... oopsfortunately the bank's app let me view my PIN, so that was a relief
       
 (DIR) Post #ASFo06AMAlxOndT3bM by penguin42@mastodon.org.uk
       2023-02-02T01:42:29Z
       
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       @thamesynne 'fortunately the bank's app let me view my PIN, so that was a relief' - WTH?!!!! View the pin?!!
       
 (DIR) Post #ASFoSTAsDoXOGcEo7M by wolfie@queer.party
       2023-02-02T01:47:36Z
       
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       @penguin42 @thamesynne yeah that's pretty standard now
       
 (DIR) Post #ASFopgCNxnm9K10pl2 by thamesynne@dragon.style
       2023-02-02T01:51:48Z
       
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       @penguin42 as far as i can tell it doesn't store it locally. the same functionality used to be available on the website, but i guess they *really* ant people using the app instead (even though it's basically just replicating the web experience)
       
 (DIR) Post #ASFrtakWSwzFRRXLbk by penguin42@mastodon.org.uk
       2023-02-02T02:26:08Z
       
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       @thamesynne Scary! I'd assumed PINs were sacrosanct and never stored anywhere by the bank except on the card!
       
 (DIR) Post #ASFs7xYyRSAKFdzCoC by thamesynne@dragon.style
       2023-02-02T02:28:44Z
       
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       @penguin42 you'd think... but a lot of what banks do seems to be more for the coverage of their own backsides than for actual security. afaiu, PINs exist mainly so that they can say "you must have given your PIN to someone so they could clear out your account, so we're not reimbursing you" than for any reason of actual security
       
 (DIR) Post #ASFswNN0lY0klmQnA0 by penguin42@mastodon.org.uk
       2023-02-02T02:37:50Z
       
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       @thamesynne But doesn't that defence of 'you must have given your PIN' get weakened if it's easy to get your PIN back via shitty web and phone interfaces?
       
 (DIR) Post #ASFtXwdWbq4UrR4MkK by thamesynne@dragon.style
       2023-02-02T02:44:36Z
       
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       @penguin42 it just shifts it. now the argument would be "you must have left your phone unsecured", i guess