Post ASEItSKZ4uW0lUmMD2 by villavelius@mastodon.online
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(DIR) Post #ASDUiqDAxDkvw84GI4 by villavelius@mastodon.online
2023-01-31T08:34:38Z
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Let's be honest, the more expensive emissions become, the more of a privilege polluting the environment becomes for the rich. Putting a price on pollution ain't the solution.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jan/31/emissions-divide-now-greater-within-countries-than-between-them-study
(DIR) Post #ASDUiqqsZbVzvGdyAy by mike@sauropods.win
2023-01-31T11:32:00Z
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@villavelius It might be. It's a pretty neat economist trick to avoid banning things (which people hate) and instead tax them ever more heavily, to the point where the tax revenue pays for the cleanup. Less coercive, just as effective. (I think the same solution would work for meat. Don't prevent people eating it, but make sure they pay for the negative externalities.)
(DIR) Post #ASDUirTWFwQJr6ipP6 by villavelius@mastodon.online
2023-01-31T13:06:53Z
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@mike A trick, yes. An equitable solution, I don't think so.
(DIR) Post #ASDUitMrDgHbj1cXIW by mike@sauropods.win
2023-01-31T13:09:52Z
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@villavelius Well, what would you rather they spend their money in, than cleaning up the environment?
(DIR) Post #ASDUiuJhgtM2fX9X1M by villavelius@mastodon.online
2023-01-31T13:17:10Z
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@mike To spend their money on preventing pollution in the first place. Prevention is better than cleaning up afterwards.
(DIR) Post #ASDUivBwREjvNkWqYq by mike@sauropods.win
2023-01-31T13:53:09Z
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@villavelius Well, that's lovely; how are you going to get them to do it?
(DIR) Post #ASDUivx5bwSBjyaV3A by villavelius@mastodon.online
2023-01-31T14:08:17Z
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@mike Some examples are forbidding diesel cars in cities, no matter how much you want to pay. Or simply forbidding the construction of new houses that are not certifiably energy-neutral and use no fossil fuels. An older example is banning wood fires (eg in Durham City).
(DIR) Post #ASDUiweL1933u6p2Se by mike@sauropods.win
2023-01-31T17:43:34Z
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@villavelius These are fine answers to a different question to the one I asked.
(DIR) Post #ASDUixSK1J1yP8CxN2 by villavelius@mastodon.online
2023-01-31T22:55:27Z
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@mike Well, if they want to drive in the city, or build a new house, for example, they'll have to spend their money on a clean car and an energy-neutral house. They simply won't be able to pollute, even if they wouldn't mind paying for it. I know the UK doesn't like EU rules, such as forbidding the sale of inefficient hoovers etc., but hey, there are things governments and society at large will just have to impose, if they take the climate and the environment seriously.
(DIR) Post #ASDVmC2IMqgERm8mtE by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2023-01-31T23:08:29.967988Z
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@villaveliusBuilding standards in the UK are largely voluntary not only in terms of energy efficiency but even electrical safety or ventilation. Which is explained by the fact that 60% of the accommodation in the UK is rented, so the apartment or house owners can't be bothered with any upgrades as it would hurt their whole business model. In addition to that the market in the UK is largely supplier driven, which means everything — windows, building materials, kitchen appliances — is older generation but also more expensive than in EU. Building industry is also extremely conservative, living in a symbiosis with the industry and advising customers with old, shitty tech.When I refurbished my flat I brought windows from Poland — for three glass layers with argon with delivery I paid less than I would pay for double glazed 1990's technology windows bought in the UK 🤷♂️@mike
(DIR) Post #ASEItSKZ4uW0lUmMD2 by villavelius@mastodon.online
2023-02-01T08:12:11Z
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@kravietz @mike Very sad indeed. When we still lived in the UK, our neighbours had their house completely refurbished. They imported everything, including a team of workers from Eastern Europe. Including their travel and hotel expenses that was cheaper than what they were quoted by local contractors. And they got better quality, of materials and craftsmanship, to boot.