Post ASDVhx8vnUib6CDsDg by davidisen@newsie.social
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(DIR) Post #ASCm57Bs0maZ1shhqK by platypus@glammr.us
2023-01-31T13:14:25Z
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Thousands of archivists and librarians over here gesticulating *yes, finally, we've been saying this for a decade+*
(DIR) Post #ASCm58tVg15gJW84VE by platypus@glammr.us
2023-01-31T13:16:26Z
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In some ways, maybe it's fine, but also maybe it's not. However the broadsides and pamphlets metaphor is a good one (and one I'm pretty sure I've heard at least one archivist use before)
(DIR) Post #ASCm5B6LTGXv9u9Lmq by platypus@glammr.us
2023-01-31T13:57:24Z
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And since the top of the thread is getting a lot of eyes, I'll reiterate the above, that 100% capture and preservation is not what librarians and archivists have all been wanting when they've made these observations.Ephemerality can be good! Some things should come and go.But the idea that things are online so they're stable and permanent and LESS volatile than a book has been... a real bane for a lot of us.
(DIR) Post #ASCsQmExBUGe9IrIgq by wndlb@mas.to
2023-01-31T13:49:15Z
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@platypus Weren’t the shelves of a books-only library circa 1985 pruned in the same way?
(DIR) Post #ASCsQmk9JVDli3SDJY by platypus@glammr.us
2023-01-31T13:53:23Z
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@wndlb no. We weed print based on use and space, which is certainly its own loss.We lose digital because of a) negligence from publishers, b) publishers/hosts going under, but primarily c) things never being preserved in the first place and our inability to afford access to lots of content we'd like even at well-resourced institutions. Journalists have seen whole back catalogs disappear offline and not been saved properly, etc.
(DIR) Post #ASCsQnKf7kQbXIXNE8 by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T15:47:09Z
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@platypus @wndlb yep yepIf something isn't in a library, it's not there for a bunch of reasons/problems/constraints that are quite different from "our online company fell apart and went offline"
(DIR) Post #ASD1C0ILXv32yzTZw0 by PhenomX6@fedi.pawlicker.com
2023-01-31T17:26:11.276176Z
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Related: https://gizmodo.com/when-the-internet-archive-forgets-1830462131It keeps happening, see the UTZoo saga or when IA nuked an entire site because someone who had strings to pull was angry.
(DIR) Post #ASD2gIxIpZinV0e5BY by SlicerDicer@bikeshed.party
2023-01-31T17:42:54.414699Z
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I was just talking to my wife about how horrifying this is. That data is being lost forever that is actually useful.
(DIR) Post #ASD4UcedxqgP1nTVwm by OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online
2023-01-31T18:02:57Z
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@platypus As someone who collects devices from the early 2000s, when a lot of software was already starting to be distributed online only, yes, it's almost all gone without a trace. Sure, you might find the occasional forum post _referring_ to it, but all the links are long, long dead. Just as I've also seen videos I've been actively watching disappear without a trace. I try really hard to archive anything important to me, as I know it's current source will dry up.....*grumble grumble* "DMCA" mother f... *grumble grumble* "DRM" bullsh... *grumble*
(DIR) Post #ASD9LgQX4KPDtOQoRU by ChristiJunior@detroitriotcity.com
2023-01-31T18:57:36.826387Z
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@platypus Agreed, nowadays I'm struggling to find even absolutely iconic internet classics like Niggerz Bop (aka the nigger-hating Duck Tales remix).
(DIR) Post #ASD9ZySGq0F3rM3i9w by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-31T19:00:12.165063Z
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@platypus @wndlb d) it's 'archived' on youtube and that's good enough until the channel is abruptly deleted over some long-retroactive censorship unrelated to the video in question
(DIR) Post #ASDA8bEh9o5nyzDgZs by ImperialAgent@mugicha.club
2023-01-31T19:06:27.379750Z
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>journalists have seen whole back catalogs disappear offlineNo loss there.
(DIR) Post #ASDB8QN3eZHeEtbzGa by GrantTK@poa.st
2023-01-31T19:17:37.804643Z
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@ChristiJunior @platypus Audio and video of Hitler's recorded speeches used to be easy to find on YouTube and many other sites, often with translations too. Now it is very hard to find them, especially with Google.
(DIR) Post #ASDFGQQNjmo6XTEl28 by misty@digipres.club
2023-01-31T20:03:50Z
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@platypus People rediscover this several times a year
(DIR) Post #ASDI9MYo0PPEOEV8Oe by Rasterman@detroitriotcity.com
2023-01-31T20:36:14.102027Z
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@ChristiJunior @platypus The complaint is legitimate. But I've got you covered, pal: https://odysee.com/@IP2NewsNetwork:c/nigz-bop:8
(DIR) Post #ASDIaCpKIpLC1L1pAW by TeaTootler@poa.st
2023-01-31T20:41:05.011493Z
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@Rasterman @ChristiJunior @platypus i'm still looking for the red bar radio episode that's from in its entirety
(DIR) Post #ASDNo3oB860rsJuvXk by Rasterman@detroitriotcity.com
2023-01-31T21:39:36.916083Z
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@TeaTootler @ChristiJunior @platypus Red Bar? Isn't the guy who runs that a liberal?
(DIR) Post #ASDT7JDqXoamxBvA5Q by Kye@tech.lgbt
2023-01-31T14:57:59Z
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@platypus I have a PDF copy of a journal article from 1996 discussing the moral panic over bisexual women in lesbian spaces that almost perfectly tracks the moral panic over trans women in women's spaces. ('Bisexual Women and the "Threat" to Lesbian Space: Or What If All the Lesbians Leave?') Sometimes, like here, it's obvious a thing is worth preserving: it shows that if history doesn't repeat, it at least rhymes.Other times it's hard to know. If you don't keep everything, there's no second chance if it turns out to be important later. It's just gone.It's something I've struggled with as my capacity to store things and make them searchable falls behind my ability to accumulate and cull things that don't seem important in the moment.
(DIR) Post #ASDVhx8vnUib6CDsDg by davidisen@newsie.social
2023-01-31T15:02:00Z
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@platypus Introducing you to The Internet Archive - at http://archive.org and related Web sites.
(DIR) Post #ASDVhxaw7N7UV3KEs4 by platypus@glammr.us
2023-01-31T15:13:16Z
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@davidisen friendbuddypalI have a Master's Degree in Library Science and have worked in libraries since 2001.I amyou might sayaware of such basic thingsin much greater depth than youand can explain why they're both useful and not a panaceamight I introduce you to "checking a person's bio before assuming they don't know things about a profession their post pretty clearly identified them as being part of"?have you considered not being like this to people online?🤦♀️ Good grief
(DIR) Post #ASDVhy8y4qLGCbFPuq by lccmv@noagendasocial.com
2023-01-31T23:08:07Z
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@platypus @davidisen I was enjoying this thread until you ruined it.1. Don't flash badges. Never say "I have a Whatever Degree in Whatever Science." That doesn't mean squat in the real world. Instead, expose your point of view or GTFO.2. Don't assume the other party knows less than you like you just did. Especially bragging about how much you think you know. You may know a lot less than you think.Maybe you archive a lot of stuff but seldom read any. You certainly don't seem to be wise.
(DIR) Post #ASDdjTbrN80niOzWoC by carbontwelve@notacult.social
2023-01-31T14:40:33Z
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@platypus More than a decade ago I wrote an essay on the internet's bitrot problem, the irony being that today none of the referenced urls exist any more.This is one reason why any online references had to be included in the appendix of essays submitted to my University, three points were deducted if not included.I thought that silly at the time, not so much anymore.
(DIR) Post #ASFWgIldufUKryslea by branman65@poa.st
2023-02-01T22:28:28.747565Z
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@lccmv @platypus @davidisen The internet archive will delete things arbitrarily
(DIR) Post #ASGoOQAddsXKx09oci by bunnyjadwiga@fiedlerfamily.net
2023-01-31T15:28:13Z
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@platypus @davidisen admittedly I just taught a long-time MLS librarian about IA last month, but in 2014 I taught a computer science prof about Kevin Mitnick (who, by the way, has an intensely cringe Twitter avatar), so there's always someone. Academic and tech librarians, though-- generally assume we know about it!
(DIR) Post #ASGohlEfXzBZmiGSrw by rdp@notpickard.com
2023-01-31T16:13:29Z
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@platypus Im no expert in the field, but I found Rogue Archives to be a great read about people working to preserve niche communities on the Internet
(DIR) Post #ASGp5KRymmvvf4jDxA by tykayn@mastodon.cipherbliss.com
2023-02-01T10:38:43Z
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@platypus archive.org said that the average lifespan of any web page is 8 MONTHS.lol
(DIR) Post #ASGp8jADMH5zB52W3c by pyotrgrowpotkin@social.grim.town
2023-02-02T07:34:15Z
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@platypus doesn't help that the best archives on the internet keep getting janked by piracy police either to be fair.
(DIR) Post #ASVX7ctgHvhDeH1wsy by camedei456@shitposter.club
2023-02-09T15:48:47.880659Z
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@platypus And meanwhile, pirates are better at archival than actual librarians...It's almost like libraries forgetting things are a solid argument for copying floppies.