Post ASD7XoIZQcmrs9MW4e by rogueren@vt.social
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(DIR) Post #ASD39TuLBpEDrgAlDk by rogueren@vt.social
2023-01-27T14:34:54Z
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#Matrix subreddit has basically told me that if I want basic features like roles and #emotes I need to learn am entire #programming language and both write and host my own #bot.This is why no one uses Matrix.
(DIR) Post #ASD39UU92hrteivM1o by farooqkz@qoto.org
2023-01-30T16:56:42Z
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@rogueren I don't know about emotes but #Matrix doesn't support roles like #Discord does. And I don't think roles are such a super useful feature which makes people leave Matrix for Discord. I think what Matrix currently lacks are good and efficient server and client softwares. The protocol is rapidly changing and it's not easy for developers to keep up to date. So we have only one server software which supports every feature and only one client software in the same state.
(DIR) Post #ASD39V64lgD3YMfe9Q by deepbluev7@fosstodon.org
2023-01-30T19:43:48Z
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@farooqkz @rogueren There is not a single client that implements all features. Element is lacking several features from the Matrix specification, especially in the default configuration. :)
(DIR) Post #ASD39VY55YbwxDm0no by rogueren@vt.social
2023-01-30T19:58:29Z
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@deepbluev7 @farooqkz I think for a Discord alternative, Cinny is the best client. But no mobile version is a big pain point
(DIR) Post #ASD39W0RO7IQNB2f0S by didek@101010.pl
2023-01-31T17:48:08Z
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@rogueren @deepbluev7 @farooqkz No need to see same icon on desktop and mobile. Can use Cinny on desktop and Element on mobile.Or some other variation.
(DIR) Post #ASD5BXNzQdTt8j9Hvc by rogueren@vt.social
2023-01-31T18:10:50Z
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@didek @deepbluev7 @farooqkz but Element doesn't have the same organization of Spaces, doesn't have custom emotes, and tends to have a ton of slowdown (at least on Android)
(DIR) Post #ASD7DY8BpSBrwEqUW8 by didek@101010.pl
2023-01-31T18:33:43Z
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@rogueren @deepbluev7 @farooqkz Haven't experience the slowdowns 😅.And even apps that have versions for many systems does not always have same featureset. If Android app does not have custom emotes, just don't use them when on Android.Really no need for multiplatform there, it's just a difference of icon, as all apps would use the same Matrix client-server API.
(DIR) Post #ASD7XoIZQcmrs9MW4e by rogueren@vt.social
2023-01-31T18:37:20Z
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@didek @deepbluev7 @farooqkz The idea of the app being different is BAFFLING to most people. Its the reason why when everyone tried Mastodon, the official app was the most popular despite missing features other clients had.Average people what to use as little mental energy as possible and take the path of least resistance. If they have to figure out what to use on their phone, they'll just say "fuck it" and go back to Discord
(DIR) Post #ASD9SdLou5jGNaXdR2 by didek@101010.pl
2023-01-31T18:58:51Z
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@rogueren @deepbluev7 @farooqkz I am telling them to just use Element.For you and me, we can understand the difference, so I tell you that you can use Cinny on desktop and other app on mobile of you like it.
(DIR) Post #ASDA3DxUH7SuLBbk1Y by rogueren@vt.social
2023-01-31T19:05:25Z
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@didek @deepbluev7 @farooqkz but then there are missing features
(DIR) Post #ASDAKb3Pex8itRfBHk by kuba@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-31T19:08:37.721040Z
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@rogueren no one uses matrix? come to jabber/xmpp.and there's still too much interesting conversations there to follow 'em.
(DIR) Post #ASDBaSimVZLjdZ8sQC by didek@101010.pl
2023-01-31T19:22:41Z
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@rogueren @deepbluev7 @farooqkz Like all apps ever created.Discord lacks some features too.Maybe it's a matter how you see Matrix.Try to not see it as a product with flavous, but rather a framework on which anyone can build chat app.Element/Cinny/Nheko development is just the same process as Discord or Slack.The difference is when someone create new app, then if they have same feature it's going to work together.The only software that is "full or nothing" are modern web browsers. And while simple, it created monoculture of Chromium engines.If we would do the same with Matrix, there would be no SDKs, just forks of Element.
(DIR) Post #ASDC3KhFQHi39ABvXs by didek@101010.pl
2023-01-31T19:27:53Z
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@rogueren @deepbluev7 @farooqkz I think it's just a matter of perspective, we both agree on how the software looks anyway