Post ASCf2qoFFIF5xxcuoa by yearsofincense@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #ARrTowsOiG68ufZxVQ by TheVeryLutheranHousewife@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:03:20.970447Z
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@SuperLutheran not sure if you and anyone reading are interested in the state of Lutheranism around the world but I have some insider information. I've just been to an LCA meeting for the entire day that sadly has ruined my hope for the future of the Australian Lutheran Church and I now thoroughly believe the church cannot be properly reformed anytime soon or at least until the boomer generation passes on.>break up into small groups based on age and location and start brainstorming the future of the churches and things we can work on to fix our dwindling numbers, come together at the end to discussThe young people:>we should focus on family ministry and Lutheran schools, create more youth ministry and focus on appealing to parents so they want to take their kids.>more family events after services (bbqs) >more live music and opportunities for musicians to come to the church>we need to do more community outreach in our neighbourhoods The old people (boomer majority) >Our Lutheran churches are too homogynous and this is a weakness (yes they actually said this) > we need to bring in more refugees and partner with [refugee charity] more> our group has decided to sponsor more refugees>there is not enough diversity in our churches BONUSThe higher church member running the meeting wouldn't stop advocating for women to deliver sacrament and says its important for women to be giving out communion, he was very passionate that this would be God he said the book of concord advocated for this, when my husband challenged him on this later he had to admit it is only permitted in rare circumstances and therefore not what he was advocating for. WORSE BONUSA survey of non believers said that the church is too liturgical (side note all the different churches in attendance at this meeting, I've been to nearly every one and they are barely liturgical at all, they are closer to happy clappy if anything) come to find out what was meant is that church visitors are uncomfortable with things like the apostles creed said in the service. People actually started saying we need to be LESS bible focused to appeal to the youth and spread the church out more. In conclusion I feel physically ill and I don't know what the future holds or if I'm going to have a synod or even a church in this country I can take my children to much longer
(DIR) Post #ARrU6Zg7hWimB7F5cW by TheVeryLutheranHousewife@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:06:32.420558Z
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@SuperLutheran Also if you are wondering yes my husband did bring up the fact that all this technicality "women aren't pastors but can do [everything a pastor entails]" is basically sneaking women's ordination into the church already
(DIR) Post #ARrVNedUcctUQmiijA by Crux_Invictus@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:20:50.010880Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran The silver lining in your poast is that the young people have the right idea. Here's hoping that the collapse of the LCA leads to the birth of an actually Lutheran body in this country.Synod next month has been weighing on my mind so much it's been difficult to keep my sermons on point. I'm pretty certain the majority of my aging congregation will vote for ordaining women and I'll need to find a new home. Both in a spiritual sense and also in a physical sense as all my eggs are in that basket since they're supporting me in my studies to become a Pastor. Maybe there will be 12 months or so of peace but it's only a matter of time before schism starts.But even if we manage to weather this storm we're still staring down the barrel of more apostasy. More ways to twist Scripture to support what the enemy wants and less ways to actually be a church that practices what it preaches. No point in worrying too much about it though it's in the Lord's hands now. He will see us through.@TinyFern @Christ_is_Lord @yearsofincense
(DIR) Post #ARrVRCY6zRJGTntWsq by Crux_Invictus@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:21:28.443130Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran anything about online communion or has that not hit your mob yet?
(DIR) Post #ARrW7iDLeMxwqkSAUK by rher@mugicha.club
2023-01-21T08:29:09.517124Z
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Online communion? Is it as bad as I think it is.
(DIR) Post #ARrWR6c3A4vs1RFrs0 by Crux_Invictus@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:32:39.767221Z
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@rher @SuperLutheran @TheVeryLutheranHousewife Probably. It's allowing Pastors to consecrate the elements via the internet. Rather than, you know, have people come to church or have the Pastor and authorised lay persons go to the people for communion.
(DIR) Post #ARrWXnykq8gCG24MNM by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:33:52.294942Z
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@rher @Crux_Invictus @SuperLutheran @TheVeryLutheranHousewife Online communion? that sound awful and it just can't be done
(DIR) Post #ARrWkkgQP897nifYn2 by TheVeryLutheranHousewife@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:36:12.669741Z
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@Crux_Invictus @SuperLutheran That thankfully hasnt happened where I am but that is horrendous. While we didn't discuss online communion specifically we did discuss, as I suspected that statistically the churches that introduced livestreams during covid have less people returning because surprise surprise when people are given the option to sit at home on a Sunday and watch the service on YouTube they are less inclined to actually do the work and attend in person
(DIR) Post #ARrWlr5G5oPnwQoLwG by Shadowbroker2135@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:36:24.595116Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran Sounds like you need another Martin Luther type to nail an updated doctrine on the door.
(DIR) Post #ARrXgOxhK1ZTEGEouO by Crux_Invictus@poa.st
2023-01-21T08:46:37.889729Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran That's been my main argument against streaming services. I'm trying to thread the YouTube needle at the moment. It's a good way to introduce people to the church and draw them in. But if you give them the excuse to not go to church while still feeling like they do they'll pick the lazy option. Add allowing communion to be done online during a livestreamed church and suddenly we'll find churches empty on Sunday.My plan at the moment is to put up recordings of sermons and some videos covering what we do at church. Maybe some videos or shorts explaining Christianity and Lutheranism as well. The priority is just to set it up as a kind of net/advertisement to draw people in. Like "hey here is who we are, what we do and what we believe. Have a look and come and see us when you want to join in.".
(DIR) Post #ARrZvdqQTEKddgEPdQ by TheVeryLutheranHousewife@poa.st
2023-01-21T09:11:46.410336Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran Yep. It's sad but I'm frankly at the point of thinking either younger people need to schism or we need to excommunicate some boomers from the church body. They are nice people on an individual basis but they just don't have any actual Christian values nor do they understand cause and effect as a generation and it's simply destroying the church even in their final years.One boomer today, the same one that was one of the biggest advocates for funding refugee facilities even said "if we tell our children we could use some money for the church they would never donate but if we tell them it's for refugees they would" as an argument. My brother in Christ, who RAISED YOUR children to value social justice movements over God.
(DIR) Post #ARraxVub2Ed9ZMdevA by WhiteTemplar@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-01-21T09:23:19.821878Z
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@Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran @TheVeryLutheranHousewife Hitler 2.0 and Martin Luther 2.0 should tour together.
(DIR) Post #ARrbchxl8OhcollFR2 by WhiteTemplar@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-01-21T09:30:46.163740Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran At this juncture I would say it's probably time to abandon the traditional structure of a church and go full guerrilla mode. Vetting for true believers is going to be necessary me thinks, otherwise you are just going to get conversos that corrupt what you have going on. The church is the people, so ensuring that your people are high quality and actually believe in the scripture is far more important than looking the part in some building. I'd rather pray with true believers in someone's backyard or a park than praying with heretics or the faithless in a church building.
(DIR) Post #ARrbnYGnVrDpwPpwPI by TheVeryLutheranHousewife@poa.st
2023-01-21T09:32:44.498836Z
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@WhiteTemplar @Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran I know home churches are going to have to become a thing as things get more pozzed and real Christianity is heavily oppressed at every turn, my concern is how will my children receive the sacrament of communion without an ordained pastor? I really really want that for them
(DIR) Post #ARrcDcqp6SEpg77Wuu by WhiteTemplar@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-01-21T09:37:26.165069Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran Who ultimately ordains someone, but God? The meaning of ordination can and will change and God will guide the faithful and show them the way through these dark times and that includes in how a priest or pastor or what have you is ordained.
(DIR) Post #ARrdPItFF8OvCRNxtA by Crux_Invictus@poa.st
2023-01-21T09:50:46.245512Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @WhiteTemplar @Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran Your Husband. If all else fails your Husband as the head of the household takes on the priestly role.In the context of a house church the congregation gets together and 'ordains' a man to perform the role of Pastor if one is not already available. Following the requirements laid out in Scripture of course. Strictly speaking I don't believe it is necessary for an organisation (such as the LCA) to be the ordaining body. Rather a congregation can through prayerful consideration and reading of Scripture call and ordain an appropriate man to be their priest.Now I say this to cover emergency situations and not to encourage people just going off and founding their own churches. What we do in extremis should not be the common practice of the church. But when it becomes necessary it will be good to know.
(DIR) Post #ARrfOMtl3SQLFYJ6zw by Aether@poa.st
2023-01-21T10:13:00.452864Z
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@Crux_Invictus @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @WhiteTemplar @Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran Just remember Matthew 18:20>For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there...Jesus Christ is always available to us. Jesus Christ stands ready to support and assist us. This is why we in Unity gather in spiritual community—not just for the ways in which we can support each other, but because in coming together in the name of the Christ, the added energy of Jesus Christ is also present. If you have to find the true gospel by setting up your own organisation and leave the heresy to those wolves in sheep's clothing, do itBlessings!
(DIR) Post #ARrshKVTTCFIjqJwGm by WhiteTemplar@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-01-21T12:41:40.481208Z
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@Aether @Crux_Invictus @Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran @TheVeryLutheranHousewife Yes, thank you friend.
(DIR) Post #ARrvXUTJreBQbzJRGS by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2023-01-21T13:13:56.421111Z
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@WhiteTemplar @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @Shadowbroker2135 And I'm here to make that work out. The Catacomb Synod is going to grow quite speedily so long as God blesses my efforts, so no one will be without a spiritual home.
(DIR) Post #ARrvvwUpK2AaTfg35U by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2023-01-21T13:18:21.496732Z
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@Crux_Invictus @rher @TheVeryLutheranHousewife So to summarize what they want...-Help refugees, so that by giving resources to people who hate Christianity, Christians will feel more Christian while destroying their future.-Undo liturgy, so that people who don't go to church will have a vague feeling that they might be comfortable going to church.-Do online Communion, so that people who sinfully don't attend church feel less bad about it.-Ordain women, so that all those nasty Christians leave the churches.Sounds like a plan coming straight from the devil's strongest dumbass.
(DIR) Post #ARrwUf9JoFEwoRAlyS by TheVeryLutheranHousewife@poa.st
2023-01-21T13:24:38.029360Z
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@SuperLutheran @WhiteTemplar @Shadowbroker2135 Given that the LCA is the only Lutheran synod in Australia and its about to go full gay, do you have any ideas for /ourguys/ who are going to have no choice but to schism?
(DIR) Post #ARrwcH8ay57EesSrNQ by SuperLutheran@poa.st
2023-01-21T13:26:00.580300Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @WhiteTemplar @Shadowbroker2135 verylutheran.bizI'm adding the first liturgy for Sunday service this coming week, Lord willing.
(DIR) Post #ARs2FColSjnUKDZV1E by Consoomer88@poa.st
2023-01-21T14:29:04.097290Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran There are even people in Orthodoxy that say these things…about 50 of them. Almost all have direct ties to the Greek/US state department church
(DIR) Post #ARs49uQScFXVkAo0xc by Zealist@poa.st
2023-01-21T14:50:31.546435Z
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@Crux_Invictus @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran i can't tell you the ammount of baptist churchs i looked at their online stream local churches, who had a message about how great israel is the day i decided to tune in.
(DIR) Post #ARs4gzH9bZlOLFE2hk by Zealist@poa.st
2023-01-21T14:56:29.952524Z
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@Consoomer88 @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran nothing like this and the canada thing to get my blood going early in the morning.
(DIR) Post #ARs5Zm3oRMWtHa6r20 by PorkCow@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-21T15:06:24.542835Z
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@TheVeryLutheranHousewife @WhiteTemplar @Shadowbroker2135 @SuperLutheran A church I went to in Ames made a point of only having pastors who never went to seminary. I'm not an expert on ordinance, all I know is we're at least more streamlined then the guys having to get everything approved by a gay pope.
(DIR) Post #ASCf2qoFFIF5xxcuoa by yearsofincense@poa.st
2023-01-31T13:18:03.425056Z
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@Crux_Invictus @TheVeryLutheranHousewife @SuperLutheran @TinyFern @Christ_is_Lord If we look at the example of Elijah we can see that even when we are faithful to God, we can still be unaware of the remnant. Were it God's will a single sermon could bring all who heard it into the church. Even now, there are many faithful who have been preserved in the outskirts, who will continue in simple faith; regardless of denomination, ivory towers, or foolish bishops.Trust in the LORD, he is faithful and we win.