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(DIR) Post #ASAyvGEqQWkxHco5Z2 by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T17:43:13Z
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"Why Is My iPhone Suddenly Ending My Sentences With A Period?!"I sound like I'm pissed off.At everyone.All the time.My essay on this alarming turn of events: https://clivethompson.medium.com/why-is-my-iphone-suddenly-ending-my-sentences-with-a-period-345b01c208b0(A "friend" link in case you're not a Medium subscriber: https://clivethompson.medium.com/why-is-my-iphone-suddenly-ending-my-sentences-with-a-period-345b01c208b0?sk=5dd3156b3cc9e7f8f1479e9049e0ccc5)
(DIR) Post #ASAzETR5aDDpiUhBVA by artcollisions@vis.social
2023-01-30T17:53:47Z
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@clive I thought this was a generational thing! My 17 yr old was complaining about me doing this a few months ago. I don't perceive sentences ending with a period to be aggressive! lol
(DIR) Post #ASAzSAVMlU6X3cE5XU by jackamick@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T17:53:51Z
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@clive I was pretty happy when iOS 16 added that feature to auto-punctuate dictated messages. It’s at least nice when it detects questions…. But I see what you mean. 😥
(DIR) Post #ASAzY7khuad4G3F3BI by 990000@mstdn.social
2023-01-30T17:56:11Z
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@clive Hahaha.
(DIR) Post #ASAzzUXbIBTMkpA2r2 by looserooster@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T17:58:50Z
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@clive Why Is My, iPhone Suddenly Ending, My Sentences With A Period?!Have you noticed this as well? I keep catching it, adding commas all over the place. 👆🏻actual example!
(DIR) Post #ASB00iFToS8TYdGeA4 by richardgrant@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T17:57:45Z
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@clive Great essay! You've articulated so well the sea-change in our feelings toward the humble period.If I may suggest ... Settings > General > Keyboard > Enable Dictation [leave ON], Auto-Punctuation [turn OFF]
(DIR) Post #ASB0QHiL5e02n7xZhI by kcsorenby@mstdn.social
2023-01-30T18:07:17Z
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@clive Yes! So true! Great read..
(DIR) Post #ASB0c2oEKes42VK4ae by jonathan@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:09:10Z
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@clive Mine has taken to replacing "np" with "no", which has created such delightful exchanges:— "Mind if I take off the day after Thanksgiving?"—"No!"
(DIR) Post #ASB0vzgBg6RQ7m4cIC by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:12:35Z
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@jonathan god, yesEmily and I both dictate, with surprising frequency, the word "enormously" ...... which it invariably transcribes as "Normas lee"For both of us! Totally different voices. Doesn't matter how clearly we try to enunciate
(DIR) Post #ASB16YsZf2XUBruG2K by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:14:53Z
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@artcollisions It's partly generational, yep -- I'm pretty sure a much larger cohort of young people find no-period aggressive than older folksBut I'm 54, and have found it connotes annoyance for a long while myself, so it's not *exclusively* generational, I think
(DIR) Post #ASB1LwAbLgDOlkfbwe by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:16:01Z
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@richardgrant ooooooooo niceI didn't know you could do that!!!
(DIR) Post #ASB1Rc0rCnZZzSoncu by artcollisions@vis.social
2023-01-30T18:16:08Z
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@clive Yeah, clearly! Almost 52, here. I may be also a little more clueless than your average bear. lol
(DIR) Post #ASB1XRlSDoLVwWObsO by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:16:15Z
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@looserooster Meta!
(DIR) Post #ASB1dj073ACz8dFJEO by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:16:34Z
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@rob 😂
(DIR) Post #ASB1kjt49Y2bukIK8m by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:16:51Z
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@kcsorenby Woo!
(DIR) Post #ASB1lIBgcp8cILGfsu by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:15:32Z
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@jackamick Yeah, it's pretty good with the internal parts of a sentenceThey just need to lay off the terminal periods lol
(DIR) Post #ASB1qYoGFfhJINp5Gq by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:17:11Z
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@artcollisions hee hee
(DIR) Post #ASB28ZaO6XImuovHE0 by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:15:45Z
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@990000 😅
(DIR) Post #ASB2EtNrPQCW3U4o7c by richardgrant@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T18:20:13Z
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@clive It was really the superfluous commas that were pushing me, over, the, edge
(DIR) Post #ASB2KeNs5hKhGtpMCe by derekbruff@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T18:21:18Z
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@clive Sigh. I’m too old for this. I never internet a period that way, but now I find myself constantly reminding myself to leave period off because so many people interpret them badly. I mean, interpret them badly
(DIR) Post #ASB2XybwCPNZlilFo0 by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:25:09Z
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@richardgrant and yes, the extra commas are a whole other ball of wax 😅
(DIR) Post #ASB2jEeusCV8j5WUM4 by kcsorenby@mstdn.social
2023-01-30T18:26:25Z
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@clive 😂😂
(DIR) Post #ASB2lrmgNSZ6eNPUae by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:24:37Z
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@richardgrant I just updated my piece in quoting your advice (and giving credit to you by linking to your LIFESAVING toot -- my apologies, I should have asked if that's okay; if it's not, I can remove it!)
(DIR) Post #ASB2wkHqanyOaDAtk0 by richardgrant@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T18:31:20Z
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@clive I'm flattered! Cheers
(DIR) Post #ASB3ErqPEVsrEayr1E by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T18:36:35Z
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@richardgrant🤘 🤖
(DIR) Post #ASB3ODyGKsnISv7Jmy by PlasticJohnny@mastodon.ie
2023-01-30T18:38:17Z
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@clive And that's the origin story of the Joker.
(DIR) Post #ASB6DIMJyrIOkfqnCa by peterbutler@mas.to
2023-01-30T19:12:12Z
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@clive Wow. I feel very old and out of touch. I end every sentence with a period. Always.I understood the animus towards “thumbs up” more than this one. I’m gonna be thinking about this for a while.(Now looking at my text messages with my 14 y.o. They don’t use periods at all, but I never even noticed…)
(DIR) Post #ASBAmzRoAblELAh2Dg by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T20:03:26Z
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@peterbutler aha, interesting!It definitely has a generational component
(DIR) Post #ASBAtcYlfGXLNm6td2 by MinervaArcher@indieweb.social
2023-01-30T19:04:22Z
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@richardgrant @clive I rely on dictation when I can’t look at screens (post-concussion syndrome here) and the extraneous commas and periods have been driving me BONKERS when I quickly proofread — GOD BLESS YOU FOR THIS
(DIR) Post #ASBAtd041mN4kQshAu by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T20:03:47Z
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@MinervaArcher @richardgrant Woo!
(DIR) Post #ASBAznZjcbslHgVZoG by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T20:04:03Z
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@PlasticJohnny seriously
(DIR) Post #ASBEMEANjlDrzL2IxE by rjmourinha@woof.group
2023-01-30T20:43:21Z
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@clive @jonathan Why do we even bother?
(DIR) Post #ASBGxmMlkISmgDrcpc by djohngo@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T21:12:33Z
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@clive I cannot relate. I am Gen-X. Everyone I text with (that isn't my offspring) uses periods.
(DIR) Post #ASBHTkFt86d3Opt7HE by shawrd773@zirk.us
2023-01-30T21:18:22Z
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@clive @jonathan This is me with almost all voice recognition software. I once had to hand the phone to my spouse to navigate a VR only phone tree that just could. not. understand me.
(DIR) Post #ASBI0I8ufk6rla92Zc by Kimcpen@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T21:23:51Z
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@clive That's good.
(DIR) Post #ASBIJPkScRFarBpG7M by Kimcpen@mastodon.social
2023-01-30T21:26:22Z
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@clive no but really I felt that article so much. I find myself trying to sound cheery by adding one exclamation point per email. A period after a short sentence or a "that's good" feels like the resting bitch face of punctuation. The ellipses is the eyeroll
(DIR) Post #ASBJuf1CuLeQsvz0yG by kagan@wandering.shop
2023-01-30T21:45:43Z
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@clive This reminds me that I've really gotta get myself out of that habit.Yes, I'm one of those weirdos who just normally ends all their sentences with a period. Like I was writing dialog in a book or something. And I'm not even old enough to be a Boomer, so I've really got no excuse!
(DIR) Post #ASBLEBtsygO4K4R2rw by chris@mastodon.celticpaganism.org
2023-01-30T21:59:21Z
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@clive the whole period thing colonizes multiple text cultures into a mono-overculture. Handle multiple communication styles. We're trying to build a global world, grow up already.Reading rudeness from a period is a rude act of projection. I consider people who do not look inside but rather judge from a cover, uninterested in creating real on the same page meaning in relationships.So therefore exempt from needing my texts.
(DIR) Post #ASBLMheCpJZb6L9yjY by kims@mas.to
2023-01-30T22:01:51Z
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@clive @peterbutler If you dig up my alt.folklore.urban posts from 1994 and thereabouts, I used periods at the end of sentences but never at the end of paragraphs. Same for my email.Not sure how or when that changed -- probably when I started getting paid to write professionally.
(DIR) Post #ASBLbw5pOuZoFNLMqe by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T22:04:45Z
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@kims @peterbutler Aha, super interesting!!You made me think, first, that "it'd be interesting to do an analysis of the prose style of 80s/90s USENET, to see if there are any significant differences between now and then ...."... which then made me wonder, huh, does "the crawl" that all the large language models use for training (i.e. reddit, wikipedia, etc.) include USENET?
(DIR) Post #ASBLjOdTg60OnWdlRI by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T22:05:56Z
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@chris Yeah, this is a culturally highly specific norm!
(DIR) Post #ASBLrEx7Z0UV5BZJWy by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T22:06:16Z
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@kagan Or, you could just keep on doing it until it comes back in fashion!
(DIR) Post #ASBLz43FyeZrafAYvg by wesley_cook@fosstodon.org
2023-01-30T21:15:23Z
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@artcollisions @clive My mom will write a text, no matter how short, and end it with a period.Ok.Yes.Sure.It can be very off putting sometimes but I know she's just like that lol
(DIR) Post #ASBLz4aZylETG0lArw by artcollisions@vis.social
2023-01-30T21:16:18Z
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@wesley_cook @clive How old is your mom? I think I always end things with a period. Hm, will have to check with my kids.
(DIR) Post #ASBLz4z2VonYTsChzk by wesley_cook@fosstodon.org
2023-01-30T21:22:37Z
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@artcollisions @clive She is almost 70!
(DIR) Post #ASBLz5S6lk3Bw1nvIu by artcollisions@vis.social
2023-01-30T21:30:24Z
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@wesley_cook Well, good for her. I say, she can text any damn way she likes.
(DIR) Post #ASBLz60UhtYXeftNtw by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T22:08:34Z
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@artcollisions @wesley_cook Agreed -- at 70 you've earned the right to text however you damn well please
(DIR) Post #ASBMBiLnyJFm3DsRge by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T22:07:43Z
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@Kimcpen "resting bitch face of punctuation" 😂 I use dangling ellipses a lot ...Way too much
(DIR) Post #ASBML918CBJTMVhhBI by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T22:09:52Z
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@djohngo Yep, I think GenX overall is pro-period
(DIR) Post #ASBMQzyshmCZ4eRWZU by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-30T22:09:35Z
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@shawrd773 @jonathan They seem to have extremely variable responsesTerrible with non-US/anglo accents, as I understand it
(DIR) Post #ASBb7FgS6ykBIPrh7w by davidhooper@podcastindex.social
2023-01-31T00:58:28Z
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@clive I think this is generational. I'd appreciate the clarity. :)Now, if everything ended with an exclamation point ... or was in all caps.
(DIR) Post #ASBsuTl4GoWEME5Cca by peterbutler@mas.to
2023-01-30T23:04:11Z
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@kims @clive Totally fascinating to me. I had no idea. Ever.It’s like my own Mandela effect. I would say I still can’t even tell if you’re putting me on or not, but a quick search shows coverage from Allure to Wired.From 7 years ago!https://www.mic.com/articles/130042/ending-your-texts-with-a-period-makes-you-sound-angryI just did an informal survey of my contacts and it’s pretty split. Consistent lack of periods from heavy texters and kids, but most of my friends still use them. (I’m 50.) 🤷🏼
(DIR) Post #ASBsuUHgJYbfzNLFSK by kims@mas.to
2023-01-31T00:05:04Z
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@peterbutler @clive I just looked at the last ten people I texted with, from my kids (age 23, 21) to my friends (most in our mid-50s) and my husband in his late 60s.Only one female friend (early 40s) uses periods. Her husband (52) does not.
(DIR) Post #ASBsuUkOanZjQQmBDE by peterbutler@mas.to
2023-01-31T00:26:47Z
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@kims @clive Well, I just sent my first text ever without periods to my 14 y.o. Even an old reply guy can learn new tricks, apparently.(I still have a very hard time discerning why a period has a negative connotation (especially if there is one in every sentence but the last!), but I can go with the flow...)
(DIR) Post #ASBsuVKCRgDPDTWm1I by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T04:17:41Z
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@peterbutler @kims I kind of enjoy the poetic quality it can add to utterancesMuch as I've long enjoyed the quality of line-breaks in modern messaging!
(DIR) Post #ASBsv6J4woIruiHtuS by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T04:16:37Z
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@davidhooper OR BOTH!
(DIR) Post #ASBt7lA0scU85v5FGS by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T04:18:11Z
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@kims @peterbutler Interesting data set!
(DIR) Post #ASBtM5wcP0zyboebJI by SpaceLifeForm@infosec.exchange
2023-01-30T22:52:34Z
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@kims @clive @peterbutler I prefer good grammar, good punctuation, and the Oxford comma.
(DIR) Post #ASBtM6c5uoAwgS3ixU by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T04:20:44Z
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@SpaceLifeForm @kims @peterbutler There's a beauty and elegance to well-deployed punctuation; everyone can see it. I myself am a huge partisan of the semicolon ...
(DIR) Post #ASBtYeiMxBT7vCyiki by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T04:19:49Z
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@peterbutler @kims I'm 54, but I've always tended to use a ton of exclamation points and been very/overly casual in written communications, so I think I grabbed ahold of the no-periods movement quickly and was all hells yeah
(DIR) Post #ASBv8TuogM8so8Rnge by SpaceLifeForm@infosec.exchange
2023-01-31T04:41:41Z
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@clive @kims @peterbutler Your ellipsis survived. On some sites it may be converted to a 4 byte emoji instead of remaining 3 bytes of Ascii.Wordpress bullshit.
(DIR) Post #ASBvHwKyNbFvYxBxoW by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T04:44:26Z
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@SpaceLifeForm @kims @peterbutler bleah
(DIR) Post #ASBvZGjZnX5XkGxmGu by kims@mas.to
2023-01-31T04:47:24Z
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@clive @SpaceLifeForm @peterbutler I abuse em-dashes, ellipses, and the word 'just'. I used to admire a well-placed semi-colon, but then Michael Lewis went and proved the Vonnegut rule:"First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college."(That said, I still think wistfully about a perfectly placed semi-colon in a love letter written to me many years ago.)
(DIR) Post #ASBvyJcsBPUXxClqvw by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T04:51:43Z
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@kims @SpaceLifeForm @peterbutler heh heh, yeah, I've heard lots of folks prohibit semicolons as poncyMe, I not only like them -- I've long agitated to bring back the even more riotously profligate forms of punctuation that used to bestride Victorian letters like a colossus -- before abruptly vanishing in the 20th centuryBehold the "commash", "colash", and "semi-colash": https://clivethompson.medium.com/weird-19th-century-punctuation-marks-you-should-try-using-49d2e2516e5e("Friend" link for anyone who isn't a Medium subscriber: https://clivethompson.medium.com/weird-19th-century-punctuation-marks-you-should-try-using-49d2e2516e5e?sk=0b0b750a1dc3cf296efbf036ebbd2d34)
(DIR) Post #ASBwCsrzwZ8ZJbnBNQ by davidhooper@podcastindex.social
2023-01-31T04:54:41Z
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@clive ha!
(DIR) Post #ASBwKQg8drjCCLqJrk by kims@mas.to
2023-01-31T04:56:10Z
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@clive @SpaceLifeForm @peterbutler something something guy has his head up his semicolonoscopy
(DIR) Post #ASByn5GBYRuC4lUjz6 by boby_biq@toot.community
2023-01-31T05:23:21Z
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@clive @peterbutler @kims character limits (sms or social media post) also changed the behavior I believe - had to force myself not to hit space after period, or comma- it all came down to how many characters I can save, I it feels like if you waste a whole character on a period it must be intentional and important 😁 - (I’m just old 🤣)
(DIR) Post #ASBynVH8pW7QlG8s5I by aftd@sfba.social
2023-01-31T05:22:27Z
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@clive @kims @SpaceLifeForm @peterbutler The youth equivalent of gratuitous dashes is maybe a variety of ellipses. Ellipses in lieu of periods ... elipses with only two periods .. comma ellipses,,,?!Makes sense given the medium. Drawing a dash is easy to do with a pen, more awkward when typing. And double / triple tapping is second nature to many a mobile touchscreen typist.
(DIR) Post #ASCjIjrpDxWgsw8IN6 by garidin@mastodon.social
2023-01-31T14:04:54Z
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@clive A period only communicates to the reader that a sentence has ended. Punctuation is a valuable tool.Out of all the things to oppose, that one seems like an unusual choice to me. Why ascribe additional nuance to an innocuous dot on a page, be it digital or tangible? I'm Gen X and a technical writer, but I don't think my generation ever rebelled against something so basic. Why choose to perceive anger where none is intended? How do those who feel this way read books?
(DIR) Post #ASCqe5t3FXT2wFpuro by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T15:27:10Z
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@aftd @kims @SpaceLifeForm @peterbutler I overuse ellipses too!
(DIR) Post #ASCr6oXKpvKrWeNDma by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T15:32:23Z
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@kims @SpaceLifeForm @peterbutler BTW a comma ellipses is freaking RADor a semicolon ellipses :::
(DIR) Post #ASCrKS2lGJYdooZka8 by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T15:34:48Z
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@boby_biq @peterbutler @kims That's a great point about leaving off periods!In the early days of text messaging and twitter -- with those 140 character limits -- losing a period could help you make a pointI think this is why I so love our modern age of online communications: The main literature I read is poetry, almost no novelsPoetry has long imposed arbitrary constraints on itself (from line length to stanzaic forms) that spurred 140-character-esque creativity
(DIR) Post #ASCroyasnz2rSX5iRU by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T15:37:51Z
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@garidin Indeed -- in my journalistic prose, I wouldn't leave periods off for precisely those reasons! Nor would I in my nonfiction books.That said, most books I read for pleasure are poetry ... where the deployment of punctuation is rather different from nonfiction prose and novelsAs are the line breaks!Which is why I've so deeply dug our modern age of online conversationwhere the styles lie closerto poetry
(DIR) Post #ASCyfkMH3xkYNgnv1c by jonathan@saturation.social
2023-01-31T16:56:59Z
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@clive In the nineties, I was invited to serve as an expert witness in a court case about font software piracy, in which the court reporter’s transcript recorded that I'd talked about how the defendant "just scaled the cliff" a number of times. I couldn't make any sense of this; it sounded like a clipped metaphor, but not one from my lexicon. Twenty-three years later, I realized that the phrase should have been “scaled the glyph.” Fair enough.
(DIR) Post #ASCys1wPW3pQO8Z1VI by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T16:59:17Z
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@jonathan lol awesome!I wonder what other technical jargon gets mangled?It reminds me of Malcolm Gladwell's "igon value" flub
(DIR) Post #ASD8X3tO47Ldtsn27E by kims@mas.to
2023-01-31T18:47:31Z
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@clive @boby_biq @peterbutler "In the early days of text messaging and twitter -- with those 140 character limits -- losing a period could help you make a point"...and yet here you are, Clive, being all profligate with your double-dash em-dash. That's two extra characters, not even counting the unnecessary spaces!
(DIR) Post #ASDJQpT9sNQSvUkh8K by scerruti@csed.social
2023-01-31T20:49:41Z
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@clive I have welcomed the addition of punctuation in my voice dictated messages. The primary time I am using voice dictation in my messages is during commutes and my primary recipient is also commuting. This means the message is being read to them. No adding punctuation makes sense. In overloading the meaning of a period in text messages the utility of text to voice is lost. The problem here clearly lies in the realm of assuming facts not in evidence. Get off my lawn!
(DIR) Post #ASDKEmxjTF47d9sLGC by MaryMarasKittenBakery@troet.cafe
2023-01-31T20:58:43Z
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@clive Well, maybe you are. Pissed. At everybody. And your phone just knows it. Stop trying to hide.
(DIR) Post #ASDKMkcu2VvihbvgNU by mickeleh@mas.to
2023-01-31T20:59:24Z
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@clive If you don't like iPhone adding periods after your sentences, you can turn that off under: Settings>Keyboard
(DIR) Post #ASDLHi7U23RxQyOSlk by denspier@mastodon.green
2023-01-31T21:10:26Z
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@clive Well, I’m not going to stop ending sentences with a period. There’s no hidden meaning in that, it just tells the reader that the sentence ended. Period.
(DIR) Post #ASDMGCDVGERw9a3Dma by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T21:21:22Z
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@mickeleh Yes, thank you! Another fediverian showed me yesterday how to turn 'em off --- I added that advice to the essay
(DIR) Post #ASDP2IwRlEKMop8mCe by clive@saturation.social
2023-01-31T21:52:05Z
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@denspier You are in good company!
(DIR) Post #ASDd4ETGkgoctIJ3uy by tumbarumba@techhub.social
2023-02-01T00:29:44Z
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Probably my age, but until I read this, I didn't even twig that periods at the end of sentences were considered aggressive. It's just good grammar!
(DIR) Post #ASDmWAVpxkKcJEu4Vk by thrashcardiom@mastodon.nz
2023-02-01T02:14:47Z
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@clive What do you do when sending a multiple sentence text? Can I end it with a question mark?
(DIR) Post #ASEqOEQG8S0d5tj1SC by clive@saturation.social
2023-02-01T14:33:24Z
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@thrashcardiom I’m pretty profligate with exclamation marks and question marks myself