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(DIR) Post #AS8Os8MDHrNFJ0XkA4 by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2023-01-29T10:43:13Z
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Thinking about how TWO devices that I own are “obsolete"—not because the hardware has kicked the bucket—but because Google simply doesn’t want to provide security updates for them. And now that I think about it, it’s all so wasteful. Here’s a strange thought for you. I own a Sony Walkman that was made decades ago. It still plays NEW cassettes sold on Bandcamp. The device is probably ~30-years-old.None of these Android phones will be usable in 30 years.
(DIR) Post #AS8Os8yUzVzzDkSJpw by khoji@ieji.de
2023-01-29T11:57:58Z
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@atomicpoet I have an old Samsung Note 3 with a pop-off rear screen and a removable battery. It would still work as new if it wasn’t literally strangled by unremovable bloatware and adware. And naturally no security updates.
(DIR) Post #AS8gACgHeHYD9H8JW4 by MisterWanko@mastodon.social
2023-01-29T15:11:41Z
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@khoji @atomicpoet I had a Note 4, that had no real issues other than Android versions deliberately developed to use more advanced hardware... which leaves older devices behind. It became unusable due to slowness of the OS. No other reason.When SSDs became cheaper, i moved my OS drive to a new SSD and Windows could cold boot to the login screen in for seconds. FOUR.So tell me what bullshit happened at Microsoft to make it painful again, on Windows 10, with the same SSD.
(DIR) Post #AS8hJKOMRtYjckfGqG by khoji@ieji.de
2023-01-29T15:24:35Z
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@MisterWanko @atomicpoet Manufacturer won’t admit it, but batteries have become one of the main tools to force hardware upgrades. Both by making replacement difficult or impossible and by preventing good management. For example, you can double the service life of a Li-Ion battery by not charging to 100%, but you almost never see a charge limiting option. Glued batteries, and batteries behind everything else are also popular.
(DIR) Post #AS8kTheH8TSeVmkOSe by hko@mastodon.social
2023-01-29T16:00:01Z
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@khoji you can run https://download.lineageos.org/hlte on SM-N9005 ("Note 3") devices
(DIR) Post #AS8kbP5O2FZZG06HRY by khoji@ieji.de
2023-01-29T16:01:28Z
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@hko I know. Did it for a while, maybe I’ll find time to get back into it again.
(DIR) Post #AS8lnfPRGrEFJQtItU by hko@mastodon.social
2023-01-29T16:10:44Z
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@khoji All the best with that, if you do!An aside: unfortunately, it looks like for a lot of older devices (including the Note 3), LineageOS 18.1 will be the last officially supported version.
(DIR) Post #AS8lnfoxjxe4aapgg4 by khoji@ieji.de
2023-01-29T16:14:24Z
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@hko That’s a pity. Lots of old phones could easily handle tasks like running a Plex server (built-in video rendering) or something like Piehole, at least as far as their technology is concerned. And that with tiny power consumption.
(DIR) Post #AS8qRv6ajTNlOPWblw by hko@mastodon.social
2023-01-29T17:06:58Z
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@khoji Android 11 is pretty recent. Being stuck on that version should not be a limiting factor for running local services for quite some time.On the other hand, it's always a bit unclear to me if the security level of these old devices is adequate for a particular task. They definitely come with very old kernels (3.4.x-series, in the case of Note 3), which have known exploits. But on the user land -layer, LineageOS is good about rolling out the latest security updates.
(DIR) Post #AS8ynC7BUAsprTSQlc by MisterWanko@mastodon.social
2023-01-29T18:40:03Z
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@khoji @atomicpoet First they came for my physical keyboard. Then they came for my replaceable battery. Then they came for my screwdrivers... which seems to be the last straw.
(DIR) Post #AS93rgYejyEFCyGgaW by OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online
2023-01-29T19:37:14Z
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@atomicpoet I noticed a few people getting hung up on the "security updates" part, and would like to point out it isn't just security updates that makes devices "software obsolete".I collect lots of old devices, many from "dead" platforms (e.g. Symbian, BlackberryOS) that have zero modern software support, and virtually all software that once existed has been lost to time it seems. Now, people always go "well, but those platforms died, of course there's no support" But I've got an android phone of the same era, and it is the exact same situation. And in fact, I've got an android phone from just a few years ago (released late 2017) that has ALMOST EXACTLY AS LITTLE SOFTWARE SUPPORT. The apps that ran on it when I got it, updated to versions that WILL NO LONGER RUN ON IT. This isn't just security, this is at all basic usage.And sure, it's over five years old now, but I'm currently using a laptop that's sixteen years old, as I sit on a chair that's probably fifty.
(DIR) Post #AS9625cKcpUXjT4mjA by darkphotonstudio@metalhead.club
2023-01-29T20:01:14Z
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@OpenComputeDesign @atomicpoet This stuff needs to be regulated. E-waste has been a growing problem since the dawn of the modern computing era, and next to nothing has been done about it.
(DIR) Post #AS9C2rzrLp3dVHpv9M by Writerer@mastodon.social
2023-01-29T21:08:53Z
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@OpenComputeDesign forced obsolescence...
(DIR) Post #AS9CK59fgLtnEhdK52 by jens@toots.nu
2023-01-29T21:11:56Z
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@OpenComputeDesign @atomicpoet And yet, Apple updated the iPhone 5S just the other day. That phone is almost 10 years old.
(DIR) Post #AS9E907cFr7uLhW2MK by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-01-29T20:45:55Z
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@atomicpoet Just installed Ubuntu Touch on a ten-year-old Nexus 5 I had in the drawer. Runs like a charm. So it can be done.This is planned obsolescence. There should be laws against it.
(DIR) Post #AS9EJheVGSNOFh0AAS by brad@weeaboo.space
2023-01-29T21:34:24.643187Z
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@OpenComputeDesign @atomicpoet In case of modern software support being the issue, you can at least put a custom ROM on a lot of Android devices and still get the latest Android version whether the manufacturer released it or not. I try to only get devices with unlockable bootloaders so that I'm not at all tied to the vendor software or subject to the whims of who made the device.
(DIR) Post #AS9Oq23jvTgELrrOXQ by sentient_water@mastodon.lol
2023-01-29T20:52:52Z
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@aral @atomicpoet You can run most Linux distros on a potato 🥔. It's why I love it.
(DIR) Post #ASBhcix1wgToll0eQ4 by thebeehammer@infosec.exchange
2023-01-29T14:04:18Z
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@atomicpoet when a company no longer updates devices, they should have to open it up. This is how Linux gained traction - supporting old hardware. We have created an waste epidemic for no reason other than profit.
(DIR) Post #ASC8dIfppL84K7Sw08 by rigo@mamot.fr
2023-01-29T11:41:00Z
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@atomicpoet same here for an iPad2. Fully functional, but no updates and even artificially slowed to create waste and incentive to buy new stuff. This is precisely how big tech is destroying the planet. We need more investment into the circular economy.
(DIR) Post #ASC8ecASpml54ZQ2UK by noodlejetski@masto.ai
2023-01-29T10:55:10Z
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@atomicpoet e-waste concerns were part of the reason why I've got my latest phone from @Fairphone. while it doesn't compare to a 30 year old Walkman, 5 year warranty, easy repairability, and long term support are a nice start over most manufacturers I'm aware of.