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(DIR) Post #AS4Xe1sEiZ6q6A20LQ by DidiQ@mstdn.social
2023-01-27T14:45:56Z
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“"In Germany, teaching the Holocaust is mandatory. It includes visits to concentration camp, museums, etc. They don’t shy away from their own ugly history. Yet the kids aren’t damaged; they’re strengthened, matured, humbled. US needs to do same re slavery. Not that complicated.”Siggy Rose.
(DIR) Post #AS4Xe2yIdVYNVFsMQy by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-27T15:17:22Z
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@DidiQ It should teach both slavery AND about theholocaust, time to remove the cotton wool from the curriculum and study some pretty harsh truths about human history / nature.The UK needs to do the same, snowflakes who can't cope, TOUGH
(DIR) Post #AS4r00xIi8kCkZb4uO by Flatulenator@freeatlantis.com
2023-01-27T18:54:18Z
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@DidiQ One-sided virtue signaling. First of all, Germany stifles free speech. They are not a great example by any means at all. They also send arms to Ukraine. This screenshot has someone with a Ukrainian flag. It's as if we forgot about the Nazis in Ukraine already.
(DIR) Post #AS53XxDGKa7eRG0s4G by lassielmr@glasgow.social
2023-01-27T21:14:52Z
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@zleap @DidiQ I was taught about slavery and the Holocaust at school in Scotland decades ago.
(DIR) Post #AS5Axiu4r4XhGcH3my by TootUncommon@mstdn.party
2023-01-27T22:37:57Z
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@zleap @DidiQ Fun fact 1106: The White House was still entertaining dignitaries from Nazi High Command long after the Holocaust was underway. #murica
(DIR) Post #AS5zFgn2RmhxdHk4Wm by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-28T02:04:53Z
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@lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ You were taught about slavery. Were you taught about Red Summer? Were you taught about the Lily Whites? Were you taught about picnics at lynchings? And lynching post cards? Were you taught about black men arrested so they could be legally enslaved again as prisoners to work on railroads and plantations? Slavery is usually taught superficially and it’s only part of the history.
(DIR) Post #AS5zFhRo0DJlfiod4S by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-28T08:01:28Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @DidiQ We were taught general history at school, specific topics for say a term (12 weeks) I can't speak for those who studued history at GCSE, A'level and beyond at the time. I would suspect the higher up the level of study the more detail you go in to.I am not sure, without looking what is in the current curriculum.
(DIR) Post #AS67APuSZzeBSsD6e0 by h4890@liberdon.com
2023-01-28T09:30:10Z
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@DidiQ No. I think students should instead be taught that bad things happened by every race against every race historically, but that that does not mean that guilt, like a currency can be accumulated and must be paid across generations. Todays humans are so foolish, so I think holocaust visits and slave visits would just make that problem worse. Instead we should accept history and learn from it, but claims of compensation for x that happened 100s of years ago is just foolish and (...)
(DIR) Post #AS67ATdwhKoX2oVySW by h4890@liberdon.com
2023-01-28T09:30:10Z
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@DidiQ turns history into a political weapon. That in turn, will make political opponents distrust adn rewrite history. So the woke people who love the play blame games are actually to blame for increasing nazi sentiments.
(DIR) Post #AS6GvHX4RVyCgHgxlo by madelainetaylor@mastodon.scot
2023-01-28T11:19:27Z
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@zleap @DidiQ i don’t think you can call those that want it removed and ignored snowflakes, they aren’t delicate folks scared of melting away, they’re the people doing everything they can to repeat the holocaust and slavery and the political environments that lead to those things.
(DIR) Post #AS6cbNcmHU8im7HDKC by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-28T15:22:22Z
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@madelainetaylor @DidiQ I was more thinking of the people who want the teaching removed as the course content is horrific and it has a negative effect on younger people learning the topic, this in part seems to have come from young people so wrapped up in cotton wool all the time, the idea the world is nasty is an alien concept. Learning about the holocaust has to involve learning about very unpleasant actions, we can't water that down, so teach in full, so the true story put across. Just make it age appropriate of course, but lets not dumb history down either.
(DIR) Post #AS6eU4mW8jqCDSTeTY by wndlb@mas.to
2023-01-28T15:43:27Z
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@zleap @lynn @lassielmr @DidiQ What funded many of great fortunes and the great estates in UK?
(DIR) Post #AS6iXQEfEMV9RKUfJI by mux2000@tooot.im
2023-01-28T16:27:21Z
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@DidiQThey should really abolish slavery first though. And provide reparations.
(DIR) Post #AS6iXR9NpTs6HF1xia by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-01-28T16:28:50.451192Z
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@mux2000 @DidiQ slavery is definitely taught in school here
(DIR) Post #AS6o15SHYVHfRtpOl6 by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-28T17:30:17Z
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@DidiQ Great news, lets hope more people / states etc follow suit.
(DIR) Post #AS6rVEDlpPJdBb6XAG by martinvermeer@fediscience.org
2023-01-28T15:32:44Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ In Dutch history in high school, also slavery and the Native American genocide were discussed, though never at that level of detail. Yes, lynchings, Jim Crow, Trail of Tears all referred to. And in the Netherlands we had our own ugly history, discussed in literature class. Unpleasant, but quite the opposite of harmful.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Havelaarhttps://youtu.be/teDbp-QsjGI#MaxHavelaar #slavery #genocide
(DIR) Post #AS6rVFAGJw6U70TFKq by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-28T18:09:19Z
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@martinvermeer @lynn @lassielmr @DidiQ The problem is, that schools have to teach a wide range of subjects, and within that a set of topics, so being able to go in to detail for each is difficult, and actually frustrting for those who are really interested in particular topics. History may be something like 1 hour per week for example. Unless the school is using topic based curriculum, in which case a wider number of subjects can be taught around the same theme. This is why books and libraries are so important, access to knowledge is essential, access to a library and a librarian can make a big difference, if you look at slavery, then there are a huge number of books, covering all levels, so getting help to get started is very helpful when you want to start with your current level of knowledge.I would hope that platforms like Mastodon can do the same, we can ask where to start, recommended reads and get helpful suggestions, engage in conversation.
(DIR) Post #AS8g4ulwnzBo9rGCo4 by dubikan@mstdn.ca
2023-01-28T15:20:53Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ why should they learn all that in Scotland? I assure you they learned of the holocaust equally superficially, because it's all part of "world history" for them.
(DIR) Post #AS8g4vKgioyjtbVwxM by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-28T17:02:04Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ I didn’t say they should. I wanted them to be aware it was superficial. When you’re aware your knowledge is superficial it opens your mind.
(DIR) Post #AS8g4vlH7yFJE3xBOi by dubikan@mstdn.ca
2023-01-28T19:00:39Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ everything you learn at school is superficial by definition
(DIR) Post #AS8g4wHXC23Aq72wgC by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-29T13:36:21Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ That’s not a definition of school i ever heard of. I know superficial teaching of American history in American schools allows white grievance to flourish. It doesn’t have to be superficial. It’s a choice.In the south some of it are right lies. Some districts in the south still teach civil war wasn’t about slavery but states rights.
(DIR) Post #AS8g4wkxQdaOJMoRXc by dubikan@mstdn.ca
2023-01-29T13:46:51Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ it was about neither, but fine. School is designed to provide a very basic level of general knowledge that almost 100% of the population should be able to understand, and a small proportion would be interested in enough to go an learn more independently/at college. It can be nothing but superficial.
(DIR) Post #AS8g4x9Pxh9TXEFyfQ by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-29T14:00:01Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ The scope, depth, breath of what’s taught in school is a choice. 12 years nine months a year. Saying civil war was about neither is the kind of thing that appeals to certain white people who had a superficial education of civil war.
(DIR) Post #AS8g4xdCAyyH1aBl56 by dubikan@mstdn.ca
2023-01-29T14:10:52Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ 12 years, during most of which children are way too young to understand historical nuance. I'm not an American, so I'll freely admit limited knowledge of the Civil War, but I find it hard to believe the North would go to this war because they cared that much about the slaves... Like all wars, it was about power.But I'm open to be convinced otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AS8g4y4UXUo0OExYcy by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-29T15:10:42Z
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@dubikan @lynn @lassielmr @DidiQ If you are interested in learning more about the Civil War, then the Ken Burns series on this is excellent, it is on PBS American, it is quite a long series, and doesn't flinch from the barbarity and brutality that took place, https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/the-civil-war/
(DIR) Post #AS8g4yZgfVl7wzYTFg by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-29T14:04:39Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ Actually 10 months a year.
(DIR) Post #ASB8UDcN3qVSsXYTia by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-29T14:18:55Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ I knew that would be your argument. How do think English is taught? Or American history in its current form? You tailor lessons to age of the child. You have a superficial knowledge of civil war and you base your opinion about cause of war on your political beliefs.
(DIR) Post #ASB8UECAuj98faJ4We by dubikan@mstdn.ca
2023-01-29T16:11:23Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ i think they are taught superficially, I thought I said that quite clearly.Like I said, I'm open to be convinced otherwise, but knowing the continued effictive segregation of black people in the North, I find it hard to believe that human rights was their main concern
(DIR) Post #ASB8UEkYqseUOEOX7g by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-29T22:18:58Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ Ok. I’d be satisfied if americans graduated with the same level of knowledge of black american history as they do of english. Now their level knowledge of black american history is less than the level knowledge of students at end of the first semester of a spanish class.
(DIR) Post #ASB8UFFP0DK1vspAC8 by dubikan@mstdn.ca
2023-01-29T23:03:36Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ you mean of the English language? Have you met any first year college students? Cuz I have
(DIR) Post #ASB8UFlf4H7tXvuvTc by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-30T00:44:14Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ You understand the analogy was comparing competency of 12 years of a learning a subject that you practice every day of your life to a few months of a subject you knowing about when you start? And not to the level of competency required of first year college? The former is working knowledge for every day life. Yes. I would be satisfied.
(DIR) Post #ASB8UGBBXNXip5rJGC by dubikan@mstdn.ca
2023-01-30T00:49:15Z
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@lynn @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ I'm frankly not sure what you're talking about. American kids don't learn English at school.
(DIR) Post #ASB8UGhna7dASF7M5w by lynn@mstdn.social
2023-01-30T19:29:53Z
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@dubikan @lassielmr @zleap @DidiQ Really? What do you think we learn to read and write in? 🤔
(DIR) Post #ASB8UHE3eBR24ID7NQ by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-30T19:38:25Z
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@lynn @dubikan @lassielmr @DidiQ I though that when i read the statement on Americans not learning English.
(DIR) Post #ASB8j4O1fJH2akvWj2 by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-30T19:41:11Z
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@lynn @dubikan @lassielmr @DidiQ This must cause a lot of problems when people from different states cross each others path and find very conflicting and strongly held views don't exactly co-exist easily.
(DIR) Post #ASBVNFvWNO08xTA4Fk by markusl@fosstodon.org
2023-01-30T23:54:57Z
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@zleapRight. We need some serious discussion about empire than doesn't begin with the words "rule Britannia".@DidiQ