Post AS5HNeMSxrKMQyIajQ by ratkins@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AS4QzEFhBuMqtKALZY by mhoye@mastodon.social
2023-01-26T23:48:46Z
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So, the ChatGPT business model is going to be about selling tools that can detect its own output. In terms of knowledge, veracity and the entire concept of truth, they’ve built a robot that is going to shit everywhere, and then sell you a dowsing rod that might let to navigate that shit without stepping in it. I’m sure the first time you use it, it will be very affordable.It’s amazing how many people are lining up to be 10x or 100x shit-producers.
(DIR) Post #AS4i1wBkVRfgxQCIK0 by matthieu@mastodon.weber.fi.eu.org
2023-01-27T06:31:25Z
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@mhoye it may even make sense, scientifically. If a tool is able to detect that a text has been generated by a language model, then one can build an adversarial system that can generate text that cannot be detected by the tool, thus improving the model. This is how the first generated images were produced.Maybe the evil does not lie solely in selling the antidote to the poison, but also in failing to notice that those tools need to embed a model of human ethics as well as a language model.
(DIR) Post #AS4i1x19QKmvWqFLRQ by boss@xarxamontgri.masto.host
2023-01-27T17:13:18Z
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@matthieu"failing to notice that those tools need to embed a model of human ethics as well as a language model"yeah! that's it!👋👋👋👋@mhoye
(DIR) Post #AS5H8O3dIcALWcDC2S by jduckles@monogram.org
2023-01-27T00:50:18Z
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@mhoye Feels a bit like selling poisoned water and then selling you the water filter / antidote to the poison so you don't die for 10x the price. Creating problems just to solve them, or something like that.
(DIR) Post #AS5H8QRoPghAwBXX0K by mhoye@mastodon.social
2023-01-27T01:34:01Z
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@jduckles that’s exactly what it is. Epistemological supervillainy.
(DIR) Post #AS5H8SpdY4wQKehaPw by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-27T23:47:08Z
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@mhoye @jduckles These days they call it "disruption".
(DIR) Post #AS5HNeMSxrKMQyIajQ by ratkins@mastodon.social
2023-01-27T12:21:09Z
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@mhoye If we grant you the premise (which is at the very least an adversarial take, though I admit it’s possible), what do we do about it? The technology is kind of inevitable at this point (if it wasn’t OpenAI it’d be someone else) and there’s a snowflake’s hope in hell the US will legislate against a US tech company. And if Europe does, it’ll be left behind.
(DIR) Post #AS5HNevuq3gSCustzE by mhoye@mastodon.social
2023-01-27T12:28:56Z
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@ratkins being left behind when someone’s going to wallow in shit is ok.
(DIR) Post #AS5HNfRSwkv9mle6AC by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-27T23:49:53Z
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@mhoye @ratkins You're talking about statistical models which run on VERY LARGE amounts of computer hardware, processing VERY LARGE datasets.The computing industry is already forecasting that, within not too many years, it will use more total electricity than the whole world uses today. Obviously this is very difficult to achieve, and would be practically intolerable if it came to pass.Therefore we have a need to limit these things for pure self-preservation.
(DIR) Post #AS5zKQ24B9pB6k1i88 by ratkins@mastodon.social
2023-01-28T08:02:19Z
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@publius @mhoye If they really do end up being that large and power hungry physics and economics will naturally be the limiting factors so I’m not *too* worried about that.
(DIR) Post #AS6nk3DYca35aQojCK by ignaziop1977@mas.to
2023-01-28T16:55:14Z
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@publius @mhoye @ratkins reference to numbers? Because data centers increase in numbers but have become more efficient faster than that.Not that the danger doesn't exist, but bullshitting elections and all that has a tiny energy footprint and a massive impact, as seen in the last decade. THAT scares me a whole lot more.
(DIR) Post #AS6oElBFjVWqceNlwm by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-28T17:32:47Z
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@ignaziop1977 @mhoye @ratkins I'll see if I can dredge up the link. The projections I saw were from an industry report, and there was some commentary by the person who posted it, that it didn't include the substantial energy cost of manufacturing computer hardware.Although the energy efficiency of data-center hardware has increased, the overall quantity has increased much faster. Jevons' Paradox doesn't begin to cover it. I think what may be needed is curbs on monetization strategies.