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(DIR) Post #AS35KBmPBcDr9f5xCa by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T22:25:15Z
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I keep wondering how these ‘companies’ get these locked Macs in the first place.. It’s against theft and I kinda love the featureMy brother was also a little thief that stole a lot of phones and I laughed at him when Apple added the feature! Just don’t steal.. it’s low At the end of the day the data on it is far more worth than the actual device
(DIR) Post #AS35U6ZZOuNTtwot4y by sam@froth.zone
2023-01-26T22:27:10.400050Z
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@stux Places that have a bunch of devices that get rotated (like schools) do this all the time, it ruins the resale value on the ones that do get legitimately bulk sold
(DIR) Post #AS35Z2LIYWmWEIUoJk by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T22:27:59Z
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@sam But aren't those installed with 'school' profiles? In that case you won't have this issue
(DIR) Post #AS35fBLpyUb1uIg7YO by jimmygnarly@mastodon.online
2023-01-26T22:29:05Z
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@stux wow .. Ubuntu lookn' good
(DIR) Post #AS35jV8IMx0MPuP5ea by sam@froth.zone
2023-01-26T22:29:58.620537Z
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@stux they can be, but many are not; it depends on how competent the IT department of wherever isThe store I worked at when I was in university got a bunch of iPads back from a department and about 40% of them were iCloud/activation locked because even though the owners were told to wipe it completely they didn't
(DIR) Post #AS35monrgv42ICQgPQ by jakeduhjake@masto.ai
2023-01-26T22:30:25Z
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@stux are these stolen or are they sold/recycled without removing the activation lock?
(DIR) Post #AS35wYJbqdkU3Gv36e by wenslauw@m.beautifullosers.org
2023-01-26T22:32:09Z
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@stux I hope you smacked him over the head. Stealing is so incredibly low.
(DIR) Post #AS35zkPTKy5QQnBWjY by yuki2501@hackers.town
2023-01-26T22:32:44Z
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@stux Stallman was right.
(DIR) Post #AS360ByUqr95vEmNZg by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T22:32:49Z
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@wenslauw Yup.. often! We aren't in toch anymore for some years now :blobcatgiggle: It's better this way
(DIR) Post #AS368sK3Hu3fZt0Brk by leopardboy@netmonkey.xyz
2023-01-26T22:34:24Z
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@stux It’s hilarious that the dude is blaming Apple for the activation lock. I’ve had my iPhone stolen twice, so I’m glad the feature is there, including on my Mac.
(DIR) Post #AS36Qiz4kK2TpOhZMO by darkphotonstudio@metalhead.club
2023-01-26T22:37:42Z
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@stux except it makes more ewaste. I doubt Apple added it to prevent theft, that's just a side benefit. The real benefit is people can't make use of old hardware. It's not anti-theft, it's anti-consumer.
(DIR) Post #AS36rwOF0lYTDyRzIe by jmahlman@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T22:42:28Z
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@stux I commented on this guys original tweet…this is not an apple problem. This is a problem with orgs or owners not understanding or caring to disown or remove a device from an account. Moreover, they are LEGITIMATE recyclers, they should get contact info from the former owners so in case this happens they can contact them and remove this.I’ve managed thousands of devices and have had dozens stolen…I am so happy there is no way around this.
(DIR) Post #AS36wmxNVlurPpCHia by wekeys@framapiaf.org
2023-01-26T22:43:25Z
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@stux i deal with it a lot of time. I can buy a broken MacBook 💻 to an auction. I repaired it but when it boot no luck : iCloud Activation Lock. I also have bought in auction of company bankruptcy but they left the iCloud lock. You have a geniun paper saying those devices are yours, you go to see Apple, they won’t took off the iCloud lock. On pre M1 device i can bypass it but it didn’t last long before Apple blocked my firmwares. Now at the moment it’s impossible on M1 to bypass
(DIR) Post #AS36zEkBAdfqAuBtFR by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T22:43:52Z
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@jmahlman Just what I was thinking!If all goes according to normal plan there's no issue! Somehow people are missing their stuff
(DIR) Post #AS37582uzAXX8ilVdA by jmahlman@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T22:45:02Z
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@stux the fact that this guys tweet got reported by vice is crap. His argument to me was “if the owner decides to give it up to me, I own it…so apple should release it”. Hummm…can’t find any fallacy there!
(DIR) Post #AS37EkemnixnUl4AOu by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T22:46:43Z
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@jmahlman That doesn't make sense :bloblaugh: If you buy/get a second hand i-device one should always check the lock but thats when you turn it on lol!Another thing on iOS at least is the root password 'alpine'! When jailbreaking was still hot you should always change the default SSH pass but many people don't know or care about this!
(DIR) Post #AS37iJqX2wUn1zevh2 by antijingoist@hackers.town
2023-01-26T22:51:59Z
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@stux It's a mix of companies refusing to unlock before selling, and selling in bad faith (Apple instructs dozens of times that they need to release hardware before it changes hands, and it's not hard to do, even at scale), and Apple slavishly sticking to their policies with the companies fucking over the legitimate recyclers. I've been on the wrong end of this before too. Company disposes of equipment, but gives you a device to "help you out," but heaven forbid you ask them to not make it a paperweight.
(DIR) Post #AS37mPJKfgrT8a50D2 by trantion@masto.ai
2023-01-26T22:52:49Z
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@stux Louis Rossmann has a more detailed video about why this is a problem, for example businesses selling off a batch of old laptops and not caring if they're locked or not, and preventing repairers from using parts from laptops that recyclers have to destroy.Yeah, it would be more difficult to allow a locked device to be wiped and reused without enabling theft, but it's not right that almost new computers are being turned into e-wastehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxqcPVYSadk
(DIR) Post #AS38E9yxFy9JhkmWsi by realseal@c.im
2023-01-26T22:57:52Z
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@stux lots of legal reasons why this is wrong. And lots of environmental reasons. If you think this is about theft, think again, just profits. Data can be protected without these draconian and illegal measures. The legal owner should always be able to reuse the hardware how they like.
(DIR) Post #AS3BVixalJEiyMD9UW by CTrevethan@mastodon.social
2023-01-26T23:34:36Z
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@stux @jmahlman these days the serial number is attached to a person, if the device is stolen and locked they should be able to find the owner easily and offer unlocking
(DIR) Post #AS3C1xor3H1CK8Utu4 by wenslauw@m.beautifullosers.org
2023-01-26T23:40:27Z
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@stux that must be hard though. I’m sorry to hear it had to be this way.
(DIR) Post #AS3mA9oruqE2Cyi5y4 by justinz@social.opendesktop.org
2023-01-27T06:25:23Z
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@stux 1. These are device recycling companies, trying to give life to old hardware instead of throwing it away.2. The data on the majority of laptops is probably not worth more than $50 on the dark web3. If the purchaser has a legitimate piece of paper showing transfer of ownership why can't Apple unlock it? Oh they can, they just don't want a second hand market, they get nothing from it.
(DIR) Post #AS3mEs73B0GojvSjqa by justinz@social.opendesktop.org
2023-01-27T06:26:15Z
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@stux4. Wipe the garbage OS off and put a Linux distro on. Better privacy/control of software and will be supported for years to come instead of the planned obsolescence of most tech companies.
(DIR) Post #AS3oRd7aQPlxuxvOMa by nickbax@mastodon.lol
2023-01-27T06:50:53Z
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@stux ya know the more I think about this the more I think there should be a formal government run registry of these things like automobiles. This would take Apple off the hook of figuring out who the legitimate owner is, if you have the title, they’ll remove the activation lock.In the interim, Apple should start a system where legit recyclers can request that Apple contact the activation lock owner for it to be released, with an appropriate appeal mechanism for bankrupt companies and the like
(DIR) Post #AS3pRo67iOAxult9n6 by Moaske@social.vivaldi.net
2023-01-27T07:02:07Z
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@stux In my work I'm having this with phones all the time, both apple and Google... It's extremely annoying when employees leave and dump their expensive phones at IT without wiping them...Some collegue departments have already started charging the ex users the full phone price when they leave phones like this... Good 😜So it's not just thieves, but IMHO mostly ignorant careless ex users that didn't pay for the hardware themselves.
(DIR) Post #AS3yFVoalNitK9ttnk by 2ndNatureDev@mastodon.nu
2023-01-27T08:40:42Z
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@stux I know we’re talking Netherlands here, but surely it’s gotta be a little closer to “illegal” than “low”. 😂
(DIR) Post #AS47La56iGgTsgatsG by Xerxes11@mastodonapp.uk
2023-01-27T10:22:42Z
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@stux activation lock was added to iOS because people who were known to be carrying iPhones were being targeted by muggers. The original objective was to decrease the value of stolen iPhones and iPads and so reduce the incentive to mug their users. I’m glad it’s still there.
(DIR) Post #AS56bZei9rHwOjGmzg by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2023-01-27T21:49:03Z
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@stux wow, that's horrible.Theft is horrible, of course, but the fact it gets locked in a way you can't even recycle the hardware with a fresh OS install is way more terrible (unless I misunderstood). Like, by all means, protect the privacy of the data, do a "death before dishonor" thing. Trash the disk, even. Confidential remains confidential.But please, please, don't waste some fine piece of hardware!..
(DIR) Post #AS60HYtKsshxfZ9184 by babloid@dariox.club
2023-01-27T15:10:18Z
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@stux It’s definitely a good feature for security, but there should be some way to contact apple to notify the original owner that their mac was either stolen or locked before resale.Sad that these are basically bricks right now.