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(DIR) Post #AS2CluCGepeRFgOZZw by allafarce@hachyderm.io
2023-01-26T01:41:26Z
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Question — do you use:- Obsidian- Logseqor a similar tool?Which do you use and why do you prefer it?(My caveats: I have been using Logseq for a bit—initially it being open source won me over—but anecdotally I feel like I see a lot more Obsidian use?) #obsidian #logseq
(DIR) Post #AS2Clun8Rl8r61e12m by post@qoto.org
2023-01-26T12:14:06Z
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@allafarce#Logseq Free and Open Source software. being an outliner let you structure your notes atomically as you type them; you can tag multiple blocks at once using indentation; you can focus the view on a block and its children. with page and block properties you can build a relational database. you can just focus on taking notes without caring too much where to put them since you can retrieve them back with queries. Support for HTML and Hiccup.
(DIR) Post #AS2DGkBJwayFAQeoYS by llimllib@vis.social
2023-01-26T01:46:59Z
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@allafarce I use obsidian, because I tried it first and liked it. I don't mind that it's not OSS because my files are just markdown files in a directory.
(DIR) Post #AS2DGlHjqDhMacfSCG by post@qoto.org
2023-01-26T12:19:41Z
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@llimllib @allafarceBut then you have to avoid any syntax that is not common Markdown, otherwise you are tied to a tool specific functionality.With a #FOSS tool like Logseq at least you know that you will be always able to edit your files with its specific syntax and it will be developed as far as there is someone interested in doing so. With Obsidian the company has control over the source code.
(DIR) Post #AS2E2Jv0tOlTc7iRhQ by llimllib@vis.social
2023-01-26T12:28:16Z
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@post @allafarce and if logseq ceases development (OSS projects die too...) you'll be stuck with non-standard markdown that you'll have to modify to use.Which isn't that big a deal! But both have risks, I think they're both fine programs and do a fine enough job. If OSS is a big motivator for you - obviously it is to you - go ahead and use logseq.
(DIR) Post #AS2E2b5v26aasrwtYe by alexallain@mas.to
2023-01-26T02:55:26Z
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@allafarce I'm still on Roam, and one of the big things keeping me (besides it being "fine"/inertia) is that I heavily rely on the SmartBlocks extension (https://roamjs.com/extensions/smartblocks) to automate a bunch of my planning cycles and have built up a bit of a personal OS around it for daily/weekly/monthly/yearly planning)
(DIR) Post #AS2E2bdF2DFCYDXVUu by post@qoto.org
2023-01-26T12:28:20Z
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@alexallain @allafarceFYI #Logseq has a plugin that aim to port features from Roam Smartblocks:https://github.com/sawhney17/logseq-smartblocks
(DIR) Post #AS2ErS9q1GBJw522ue by post@qoto.org
2023-01-26T12:37:31Z
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@llimllib @allafarceIt’s not the same thing:• With Obsidian you are taking the risk the company stops the development at all.• With #Logseq that the company does the same but also the community gives up on improving it at all, that is way less likely.Plus you can still trying to improve the tool by yourself if you have some programming skills. Or you can pay someone to do the development for you, like a bug fix or a new feature you need. With proprietary closed-source software like Obsidian this is totally impossible.Using #FOSS tools is equally important for #portability and #DigitalSovereignty as using standard formats like #Markdown.
(DIR) Post #AS2OORx0hzxKRCqC6S by alexis@social.helvetica.fm
2023-01-26T14:24:26Z
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@post @llimllib @allafarce I'm with llimllib on this one to be honest. portable and standard format of my data is the bigger concern to me.with standard markdown files, i know there's a multitude of other applications to open and edit them with full syntax coverage. with custom markdown, i'm relying on software that supports that exact set of syntax. it's another form of walled garden.
(DIR) Post #AS2QmDw4fT6hpSroeG by post@qoto.org
2023-01-26T14:51:02Z
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@alexis @llimllib @allafarceIndeed, but assuming you want more functionalities than Markdown can offer, at least #Logseq takes the most respectful approach to user sovereignty.
(DIR) Post #AS2RKfXoWesJIlwbNw by post@qoto.org
2023-01-26T14:57:16Z
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@alexis @llimllib @allafarceI hope at some point we will be able to extend #Markdown with a standard format that works across most #PKM apps like #Logseq and Obsidian.
(DIR) Post #AS2f3A8tQHmILUplwG by lph@mas.to
2023-01-26T17:24:09Z
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@alexis @post @llimllib @allafarce But Obsidian doesn’t do "plain" markdown either, right? Links won’t work like plain markdown links when opening your vault in any other markdown editor, neither do they for Logseq etc. So why should one be worse than the other?
(DIR) Post #AS2f3AjlDDGiBq5DP6 by llimllib@vis.social
2023-01-26T17:28:12Z
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@lph @alexis @post I'm not sure how much it implements, but the only non-standard feature I use is [[cross-references]]. You can see here how I use python-markdown to parse and publish my notes, it's very short because the files are extremely close to spec:https://github.com/llimllib/obsidian_notes/
(DIR) Post #AS2f3BNSpb1mAyevI0 by post@qoto.org
2023-01-26T17:30:58Z
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@llimllib @lph @alexisFYI the same can be done with #Logseq. You can even open your Obsidian vault with Logseq and if you only used [[wikilinks]] everything will just work.
(DIR) Post #AS2f94VvGLfccuQKeG by llimllib@vis.social
2023-01-26T17:32:02Z
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@post @lph @alexis I'm sure! I already said I think it's probably a nice tool
(DIR) Post #AS2fRZZoVjJIB848SO by alexis@social.helvetica.fm
2023-01-26T17:35:31Z
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@post @llimllib @allafarce true, if one's use case needs additional functionalities that a base/standard syntax wouldn't offer, then you'd have to find and use a tool that supports what you need. "solving my problem" is higher up on the hierarchy, at least if you need a short term solution 🙂
(DIR) Post #AS3OyWBIeSIz8pgQ1w by alexallain@mas.to
2023-01-27T02:05:34Z
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@post @allafarce thank you!!