Post AS25KtMwvZg3BeZ0Pg by iwamoto@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AS243Fn6j0WnYopAcS by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:36:17Z
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In the past when I still used #Windows I was always afraid of updates since it took soo much time and often kinda broke or moved things but with #macOS it's always happy times since it always improves stuff for the better If not major UI changes there are security updates that make me even more happy :blobhappy: Linux is another story ofc but thats updates on a daily basis! :linux:
(DIR) Post #AS246dy1IO2FPTXqme by nafnlaus@fosstodon.org
2023-01-26T10:36:57Z
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@stux For me it's always NVidia that makes updates on Linux a pain. But if you want CUDA, you deal with NVidia...
(DIR) Post #AS24NzRyftkExgpSE4 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:40:00Z
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People can say what they want but stuff from Apple is in general secure in two ways:1. The OS is closed source yes, but with a good reason in this case and a choice ofc! 2. A first time user cannot delete important system files or even easily access stuff that makes them confused. This goes for macOS, iOS and iPadOS! Basically a kid can find it's way around it Plus I just LOVE how 'apps' work but just dragging it to the apps folder, most stuff doesn't need an 'installation' 😉
(DIR) Post #AS24Xs7GnUPl6yr4YS by Yami_no_senshi@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:41:54Z
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@stux yes i also really like the Apple devices I don’t own a Mac but an iPad and an iPhone. I switched from Android a couple of years ago precisely when the iPhone 8 came out that was my first iPhone before I just had a couple of iPods and yeah slightly before I got the iPhone 8 I already bought an iPad before but had Android Tablets from Sony and one from Samsung. I was no longer satisfied with Android after Sonys Smartphones I really likes got worse I had the Z5 what was bad (overheating)
(DIR) Post #AS24gtOdPJS7giHKjI by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:43:27Z
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@Yami_no_senshi Nicee! I also have a feeling the stuff last a looot longer in both hard- and softwareNot every month a nice device is getting released so stuff stays a little longer up-to-date!I did over 12 years with my previous MacBook :catblush: with a min of 12 hours per day
(DIR) Post #AS24tmEfLHELFAl9cW by marcus@hachyderm.io
2023-01-26T10:45:51Z
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@stux In my 20 years of macOS usage there has def been some breakage. Like when karabiner elements didn’t work for months after a new major release, or when they removed 32bit support breaking all the games, or last time they switched processor architecture and we were running apps in crappy emulators.. :)
(DIR) Post #AS24vKlcRMdCdAupJQ by uzayran@mastodon.lol
2023-01-26T10:46:08Z
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@stux What is the good reason for it being closed source and how does it make it more secure?
(DIR) Post #AS254nYokwB0XSROM4 by foervraengd@mastodon.art
2023-01-26T10:47:48Z
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@stux last time i owned an android phone it was the worst experience ive ever had and i will most likely never go back to it. The only actual valid critique for apple is their planned obsolescence with older products and the prices. But i honestly had far faaar better experience as a casual user than i ever had with windows.
(DIR) Post #AS255DcFsmNJLeFVK4 by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:47:54Z
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@marcus thats quite some time! 💪 :macos: Ofc there's gonna be stuff breaking in so many years but the UI in general stayed the same-ish!Not like Windows who confused elderly people but adding a start menu then removing it again, than came the weird tile thingy :blobcatgiggle: etc etc
(DIR) Post #AS25KtMwvZg3BeZ0Pg by iwamoto@mastodon.social
2023-01-26T10:50:45Z
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@stux tech support memory: customer came into the shop with their imac, they had been going through the system library folder and found the windows daemon, but since they don't have windows but macos, they deleted it, weird, device booted but stayed black ;-)but MacOS is easy enough where you can reinstall the OS without losing any data/settings etc.
(DIR) Post #AS25PBSpaqR0SvMSVk by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:51:31Z
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@iwamoto this made me laugh :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AS25QzVszrQVypeTp2 by mattwilcox@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:51:52Z
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@stux Nitpick: The OS is open source; the UI and apps are closed. https://opensource.apple.com/releases/
(DIR) Post #AS25V56U9c1yTbimUi by stux@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:52:34Z
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@mattwilcox is that the 'complete OS' or libraries?
(DIR) Post #AS25f5hSn80FDpn4D2 by mattwilcox@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T10:54:25Z
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@stux It's all the stuff that's used, and Darwin itself (OSX's kernel). OSX is a full UNIX system; it just has proprietary UI and apps.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)
(DIR) Post #AS25qpC5zBTbVMiIO8 by nohello@mastodon.social
2023-01-26T10:56:32Z
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@stux I feel like right now Windows 11 update takes less time than MacOS
(DIR) Post #AS25tuuhB5do7036vI by kernowbear@mastodon.scot
2023-01-26T10:57:03Z
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@stux I run Linux, and the updates aren't daily.The great thing about it is that you don't have to reboot three times after an update, like you do with Windows.
(DIR) Post #AS267HmXSsh4nlbnns by dale@toot.cafe
2023-01-26T10:59:30Z
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@stux Being closed source makes things less secure, not more.(and MacOS is OS)
(DIR) Post #AS26DSJjCwDhDK4hZQ by bezmania@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T11:00:32Z
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@stux I’d like to add that I find their stance on security and privacy way better than other OS builders. Annoying Meta by limiting their information gathering paths to better safeguard user privacy is a Good Thing IMHO
(DIR) Post #AS26SFUPBQcrlz7g1Y by vanitarium@mastodon.social
2023-01-26T11:03:11Z
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@stux Agreed but it makes the Apple universe very restrictive and controlled : a price to pay for security and ease of use. All achieved via strict standards for developers.
(DIR) Post #AS26WD0oKt7dFRAW36 by bandla@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T11:04:00Z
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@stux Though I am fully invested into Apple ecosystem, would not agree that it 'always' improves. This iteration (iOS 16, macOS Ventura) is buggy as hell. It too three minor versions for iOS to get better. Also Windows vs MacOS is now purely based on need/requirement. Gone are those days when macOS was much better/stable. I use Windows 11 on desktop (gaming) and it is rock solid. Windows 10 is bloody stable and light on resources as well. With WSL, I need not do dual boot for Linux.
(DIR) Post #AS26lASA8Eo9ei5wsi by bandla@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T11:06:43Z
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@stux For me, this is how it is: Development and portability, photo/video editing: MBP with MacOSGaming and media consumption, home use: Windows 11 with Xbox controller. Coming to linux, well...Linux: Servers and VMs for hosting applications/websites.
(DIR) Post #AS26vGOatPuayvEwEK by ranx@mastodon.social
2023-01-26T11:08:31Z
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@stux
(DIR) Post #AS28dZigVXEtbsKY6a by ragle@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T11:27:45Z
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@stux It was in using modern macOS and tootling around on the command line that I was able to transition more readily into other *nix environments. This in turn more than prepared me to own and thrive on a Steam Deck for all my gaming needs. :)
(DIR) Post #AS29ODu1ROgTYVsRHs by CapeHeaven@cybervillains.com
2023-01-26T11:36:08Z
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@stux I so agree about Apple!! My husband has an android phone for work and since he’s not tech-savvy I’m the one who has to figure out any issues (when he’s home). IMO, Android phones are terrible; nothing makes sense and there’s always a new issue. iPhones just work! (Android lovers, please don’t come at me, these are just my opinions. Thx)
(DIR) Post #AS2ClRliLxm35DkyIq by fosserytech@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T12:13:59Z
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@stux yeah MacOS is (mostly) secure but not private unfortunately. iOS has quite a few security flows. (and the limitations suck, at least for me)But their hardware is powerful I admit.Btw AppImages are basically the same on Linux as those 'apps' on Mac.
(DIR) Post #AS2Cy4eLcU7t97Ke1o by fosserytech@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T12:16:19Z
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@vanitarium @stux yeah one thing I despise Apple for is they don't allow GPL licensed apps on App Store
(DIR) Post #AS2Eu5uFCr9bnCzuNM by ErUpNorth@mastodon.world
2023-01-26T12:37:57Z
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@stux Ah so point 2 is why my partner persuaded me onto a Mac 😂
(DIR) Post #AS2FCZYvgT2Myxq4G0 by dfraser@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-26T12:41:18Z
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@stux I really like the concept of signed, sandboxed, atomic application bundles. The days of installers/packages doing random mods to your OS and spraying files all over your computer HAVE to end.
(DIR) Post #AS2FTwH6UbiGLYmXUu by PublicLewdness@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-26T12:44:31.066627Z
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@fosserytech @stux Something closed source can't be called secure in my opinion. If it can't be audited then it can't be trusted.
(DIR) Post #AS2GRHhCUfaLrsHpRo by rafal06@fosstodon.org
2023-01-26T12:55:10Z
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@stux Last summer I bought a 2011 MBP 13" to try out macOS. I tried High Sierra (that's what it came with), then installed Catalina with a patcher, then Monterey. Overall, macOS nuked itself 2 times for me. The first time, because of some third party partitioning tool I used. The second time because of Apple's official Disk Utility app.macOS just really doesn't like to be tinkered with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(DIR) Post #AS2JQuUN4mllktnang by jph@moth.social
2023-01-26T13:28:42Z
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@stux more and more I learn to appreciate the simplicity of it
(DIR) Post #AS2L4BwUDb8B8OFCro by RassilonianLegate@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T13:47:01Z
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@stuxI've never used Mac OS but the only OS where I've activly dreaded Updates was windows, linux has been a dream by comparison
(DIR) Post #AS2TMYKCXSa3OkbRGy by theotherilya@discuss.systems
2023-01-26T15:19:58Z
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@stux I swear I read this and the other OSX post and thought you were trolling ^_^"- - -Anyway, my experience with Windows updates as of late, and this is speaking both of my work machine which is natively Windows11 approved and an 11yo laptop running the latest Win10, is that they are aggressive but substantially easier and painless to apply, save for the occasional sudden reboot which makes me want throw the laptops out of a window(s).- - -OSX very rarely will have any issue with updates such as bricking and whatnot, but it does have tons of bugs, flaws and issues which the infosec community has been more adamant about bringing to light. The one where they "patched" airdrop and accidentally allowed anyone to root a physical system by using no password as a password comes to mind as a recent example.
(DIR) Post #AS2Ubgsb79TWEDTQnI by theotherilya@discuss.systems
2023-01-26T15:33:53Z
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@stux In principle this is kind of half-true, in fact it has been half-true for a long time. Apple effectively used this trope in its long running Mac VS PC and it has lingered on. Gated executable execution is effective at keeping things at bay, for sure, and the attack surface has been historically small... although both these things have changed dramatically recently: Windows has UAC and similar, if nor more effective, security measures. As Windows Defender actually evolved into a decent baseline product, OSX lagged with security product adoption in the customer base, in no small part due to the company itself hiding how things are going - you can find articles as recent as 2021 of apple execs commenting on a malware problem that is specifically left "silent". With regards to 2... that is partially true. I don't find their systems particularly friendly - anymore - they definitely used to be in the early days of OSX, but I've also used way too much Windows in my lifetime. Certainly, while Windows makes it harder to delete system.ini today than it did many years ago (when I actually deleted it - fun times!), on an Apple device it's damn near impossible to brick something.
(DIR) Post #AS2UzOOdUCxNqylGBE by fiveEyedBeast@mastodon.online
2023-01-26T15:38:10Z
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@stux when linux isn’t accessible or feasible (for whatever reason) my go to OS is *always* #macOS. It being unix based makes it feel right at home. Plus I don’t have to fuss with random apps in my launcher, non-local users, and forced updates.
(DIR) Post #AS2WpfptzTYAxF0ZpA by mrotteveel@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T15:58:52Z
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@stux In my experience, Windows updates are generally a lot faster than macOS updates.
(DIR) Post #AS2adMFfNYM0YXRTdY by robinrenee@urusai.social
2023-01-26T16:41:25Z
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@stux I do love my Mac stuff, but I hardly ever mention it online, as platform discussions usually devolve into flame wars. I’m so glad that hasn’t happened here!
(DIR) Post #AS32lYJHEC8azGpJrM by KathrynSkidmore@aus.social
2023-01-26T21:56:37Z
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@stux I’m back with apple after 4 years of enforced PC at work. The relief! Things just work in a couple of steps! The keyboard is lovely! If others don’t like apple, I really don’t mind, but it’s the right fit for me
(DIR) Post #AS3Aqbxns1pnOrhpQm by moirkob@mstdn.social
2023-01-26T23:27:14Z
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@stux I was still working as an IT technician back when the amazing Windows 10 rollout happened......Not as automagically as MS expected; had to restore most of our client's pc and data back :blobcatsweats:de pijn ðŸ˜
(DIR) Post #AS3R92I4KDCZWwzaSm by bryn@tweesecake.social
2023-01-27T02:29:40Z
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@stux Not to mention with newer Mac OS updates they've made it update so much faster than it used to.
(DIR) Post #AS3V44XIwoWyre0WAq by ceremus@mstdn.social
2023-01-27T03:13:42Z
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@stux Point 1. The "Security through Obscurity" model is only effective until your code gets leaked. A bit like sitting on a time bomb with a variable amount of semtex. Of course as many have pointed out now, the Darwin kernel was developed as open source, and as it was BSD-based was of course, secure. So I think we can put this to the side.Point 2, yes of course, agreed. But this is also true of any Windows system properly deployed with UAC enabled and admin accounts not used by default.