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(DIR) Post #ARxziKecGwcg73mVDE by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:28:51Z
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One thing I've never liked about the UK, and have never been able to get used to in my 18 years here is the keyboard layout. Specifically the enter/return key being tall and skinny. SO much of my input ends in a \ because of this stupid layout. Thinking I might remap \ to Return and end this, but I do occasionally use \ while programming though, and would rather not have to hunt around for where I left it when I do need it (I'll never remember).#keyboards #UK #ThingsCountriesGetWrong
(DIR) Post #ARxzr5T26czxcNXQ2q by markscherz@ecoevo.social
2023-01-24T11:30:25Z
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@john this seems like it would be manufacturer specific, no? I donโt remember my old British Mac having this issue.
(DIR) Post #ARy0oFH9HYxB7iBilc by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:40:47Z
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@markscherz I don't think so, country the British layout is a defined standard, and every Mac and Mac keyboard I have bought here (6 or 7 of them, different types and times) has had this tall-Return layout.
(DIR) Post #ARy1C7iz0abmecaqcy by KFuentesGeorge@universeodon.com
2023-01-24T11:45:25Z
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@john Literally never would have imagined that the UK would have a different keyboard layout. Wild.
(DIR) Post #ARy1E37v4eGMyQAwW8 by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:45:48Z
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Of course, keyboard layouts of all sorts are colossally stupid, (why is the question mark require a shift?) but this specific thing leads to constant mistakes, not just inefficiency.
(DIR) Post #ARy1bK7S3wIIKq3Rcu by Akki@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:50:00Z
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@john I think the majority of UK keyboards I've used tend towards the horizontal enter key. Which bothered me as a USian who was used to the more vertical wonky L shape from my childhood.
(DIR) Post #ARy1fYv8yNidOpJpSK by AggroBoy@mastodon.social
2023-01-24T11:44:38Z
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@john Macs are a weird halfway house. They have a full height return, but still have US quote positioning (and no ยฃ).
(DIR) Post #ARy1fZN9IG7WngQC6i by AggroBoy@mastodon.social
2023-01-24T11:48:30Z
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@john I guess itโs not very helpful right now, but Apple will let you configure a US layout with short return at order time for most Macs. And of course if you use an external keyboard, you can go for whatever style you want (again Apple sell the US layout ones here in the UK).
(DIR) Post #ARy1fZtlL0CyQpgEwS by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:50:23Z
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@AggroBoy Yeah, but my situation is even stupider than that, I use a third-party keyboard and saddles myself with this nonsense!I think I've had this notion that I should just get used to it. But how long do I wait??
(DIR) Post #ARy1y2SjsLvmEaqKHo by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:54:03Z
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@KFuentesGeorge It took me by surprise when I got my first new computer here. Key mappings have to be different (you need to be able to get to the ยฃ key easily), but the actual keys being different shapes is tricky!
(DIR) Post #ARy2AKJBLp3N3cESBM by AggroBoy@mastodon.social
2023-01-24T11:56:20Z
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@john ๐
I feel like 18 years is firmly in โnot that longโ territory.Does your preferred manufacturer not sell a US variant?As an aside, this whole conversation has made me realise how filthy my keyboard is, and now Iโm kind-of afraid to touch it.
(DIR) Post #ARy2CEYVi7QbnKJMSO by mike@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:56:28Z
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@john Even worse: the way in which "US" and "UK" keyboards differ on a Mac is *totally* different from how they differ on a PC.
(DIR) Post #ARy2Kp33unyJI8hGwC by mike@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:58:05Z
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@john It there anything stupider than the key at top-left of a Mac keyboard, just below Escape, that produces a section-marker (ยง), or a plus-or-minus sign (ยฑ) if used with shift? I had, until 30 seconds ago, literally *never* deliberately used that key. what a waste.
(DIR) Post #ARy2LROJMFY2D2vmKm by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T11:58:12Z
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@AggroBoy Yes and I didn't get it because I'm an idiot.
(DIR) Post #ARy2RcPHJatS6xKSW0 by mraag@infosec.exchange
2023-01-24T11:59:24Z
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@john the plight of European keyboard layouts. I grew up using the Swedish layout, which has the same vertical return key, but also makes it extra difficult to type symbols common in programming and system administration, like gold shift for / or hold alt for [].Now I get to enjoy long delivery times on every computer I buy, as theyโre always specked with a US layout. ๐
(DIR) Post #ARy2YSd643sdob3Tv6 by Mabande@blacktwitter.io
2023-01-24T12:00:09Z
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@john @KFuentesGeorge I think it might be due to some euro standard to align with ร
, ร, ร keyboards?
(DIR) Post #ARy2ZT7jiFEDdZrpHk by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T12:00:38Z
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@mike Not in this regard, the tall vs wide Enter/Return key is consistent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_and_American_keyboards
(DIR) Post #ARy2j8qRxnuVdiOUds by john@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T12:02:37Z
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@Mabande @KFuentesGeorge Could be? Of course, on a British Mac keyboard, those keys are different (; ' and \).
(DIR) Post #ARy3D3Owld7RRanDoO by nilesjohnson@mathstodon.xyz
2023-01-24T12:07:55Z
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@john I was afraid of remapping keys and forgetting until I realized that, especially if it's just a few of them, I could mark the physical keys! I used masking tape, but one could also just use a permanent marker.
(DIR) Post #ARy3MOL4I932zEQneS by JohnRMastodon@mas.to
2023-01-24T12:09:40Z
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@john ๐ค๐๐ฒ๐ช๐ท ๐ผ๐ช๐ต๐ช๐ป๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ผ ๐ถ๐พ๐ผ๐ฝ ๐ซ๐ฎ ๐ผ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฝ, ๐ฒ๐ฏ ๐ฒ๐ท ๐ฎ๐ฒ๐ฐ๐ฑ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ฎ๐ท ๐๐ฎ๐ช๐ป๐ผ ๐๐ธ๐พ ๐ฌ๐ธ๐พ๐ต๐ญ ๐ท๐ธ๐ฝ ๐ผ๐ช๐ฟ๐ฎ ๐ฏ๐ธ๐ป ๐ช ๐ด๐ฎ๐๐ซ๐ธ๐ช๐ป๐ญ.โค๏ธ#JohnMastodon
(DIR) Post #ARy3mSd0xxbPorFwyu by mike@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T12:14:21Z
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@john Loads of other differences to the differences, though.
(DIR) Post #ARy3r8BkO86VsGjGk4 by calotriton@sauropods.win
2023-01-24T12:15:14Z
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@john the spanish layout doesn't even have the latin quotation marks at hand
(DIR) Post #ARy5TA2e2vwWa2AZbk by KevinMarks@xoxo.zone
2023-01-24T12:33:18Z
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@john @AggroBoy I tried to get used to it when I moved back, but gave up and bought a US keyboard - it was the tiny left shift key and the ` key being there that did for me as I was typing ` instead of capital letters all the time.
(DIR) Post #ARy7Gdy1flEnXJAU2C by JonnyT@mastodon.me.uk
2023-01-24T12:53:26Z
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@john If it is any consolation, the feeling is mutual when going from the eminently sensible shape of the UK return key to the stupidly small vertical target for your little finger that is the US equivalent.I have no problems switching between UK Mac and UK PC keyboards but UK to US of the same is an error-riddled hellscape. (In other words, it's all because it is just what you are trained to use first).
(DIR) Post #ARyQpzrOAJ5chUdPxA by bkhl@social.sdf.org
2023-01-24T16:32:39Z
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@john tip: various laptop manufacturers have ANSI keyboard models for sale in Europe, but they call it "English Euro", because it is a standard US English keyboard with the addition of the Euro symbol printed on the "5" key.I also got used to ANSI layout while I lived in Thailand, and don't feel like relearning again.