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(DIR) Post #ARw2WWPYe35ueFsUiW by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-23T12:51:03.086547Z
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(DIR) Post #ARw4BHzJH8EHk4bVSa by PapaPole@bae.st
2023-01-23T13:09:37.246555Z
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@MK2boogaloo Which Hitler?
(DIR) Post #ARwKHPKaU82rWLUndg by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-23T16:10:00.617026Z
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@PapaPole Papa Adolf.
(DIR) Post #ARwPHOa1mCzOxjX0TI by KateMossFan666@clubcyberia.co
2023-01-23T17:06:01.786947Z
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@MK2boogaloo oh this way of thinking is a lot older than that. quote Thucydides: (the first Pericles' speech):"There is one principle, Athenians, which I hold to through everything, and that is the principle of no concession to the Peloponnesians. ...I have many other reasons to hope for a favourable issue, if you can consent not to combine schemes of fresh conquest with the conduct of the war, and will abstain from wilfully involving yourselves in other dangers; indeed, I am more afraid of our own blunders than of the enemy’s devices. ...... It must be thoroughly understood that war is a necessity; but that the more readily we accept it, the less will be the ardour of our opponents, and that out of the greatest dangers communities and individuals acquire the greatest glory. ..."
(DIR) Post #ARwPQFpbfoeoR22hTU by KateMossFan666@clubcyberia.co
2023-01-23T17:07:37.517529Z
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@MK2boogaloo also from the same book (finally found the quote...)>Invited to refer the dispute about Epidamnus to arbitration, they chose to prosecute their complaints war rather than by a fair trial. And let their conduct towards us who are their kindred be a warning to you not to be misled by their deceit, nor to yield to their direct requests; concessions to adversaries only end in self-reproach, and the more strictly they are avoided the greater will be the chance of security.>concessions to adversaries only end in self-reproach
(DIR) Post #ARwPiRTd79JdlWR4pE by MK2boogaloo@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-23T17:10:55.274314Z
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@KateMossFan666 Nietzsche said that Thucydides was a cure for Plato and maybe he was right? Hahaha. Well either way I love this quote, it showed the morality of ancient Greeks and how heroic they were. Didn't you talked about this? Cc @Kakkerel
(DIR) Post #ARwQQmzEVF0FDbMdF2 by kakkerel@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-23T17:18:56.154040Z
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@MK2boogaloo @KateMossFan666 Man, you guys are so much smarter than me. >Thucydides was a cure for PlatoI just. I don't know. Plato wrote so much. I would need so much more context to understand the thrust of what Nietzsche is saying here, and there's many things Nietzsche said that remain fundamentally a mystery to me.
(DIR) Post #ARwRCLjx6k1YcBtZLc by KateMossFan666@clubcyberia.co
2023-01-23T17:27:31.108328Z
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@MK2boogaloo @kakkerel I only read Thucydides' speeches and not his entire book, literally skipped everything but the speeches. I did talk about them less than 3 months before, but not about this specific thought (that compromise with enemies always ends with regret).I _hate_ reading and there a lot of indivudlals more well-read than me.I am re-reading a bunch of books (and this is because it will liberate me from having to read them ever again, like a character from South Park said, "and because of [Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand] I'm never reading again!" - this but unironically.I've yet to rearead Thucydides and Nietzsche, but I did re-read Bacon's Essays for the last time.In it he said "The blessings of Issachar are not compatible with the blessings of Judah, and people that are over-taxed [and "being overtaxed" is a subjective feeling about justice of taxes, not the literal amount of money] will not be good at war, and also middle people [sic] of England are better soldiers than peasants of France, as proven by [whatever battle he gave as a proof/example]"These "blessings", as I learned from Searx search, are from the Old Testament. Issachar is toiling and moving weights as if he is a donkey, Judah's "hands are at the throats of his enemies" as if he is a lion.I've recently thought about Russia/Ukraine war, and I'm very spectical about Russia's performance in it, and this quote kind of in my opinion made sense. Russians are workers, not freelancers with flexible work schedule - that's why when being ordered to go to war they don't enjoy it too much, which, then, means they are not good at it. Blessings of a donkey not of a lion.contrast it with some Saudi or Emirati who actually _has_ things to lose, and yet still can go to terrorist adventures abroad.And this is very in harmony with this Thucydides quote from Pericles (Funeral Oration):"If we turn to our military policy, there also we differ from our antagonists. We throw open our city to the world, and never by alien acts exclude foreigners from any opportunity of learning or observing, although the eyes of an enemy may occasionally profit by our liberality; trusting less in system and policy than to the native spirit of our citizens; while in education, where our rivals from their very cradles by a painful discipline seek after manliness, at Athens we live exactly as we please, and yet are just as ready to encounter every legitimate danger."When a Russian goes to war (if that's his choice... Dmitry Kuprin from the nuclear closed city Ozersk did three months there, in Ukraine, and recently returned to Russia) it's brave, yes, but it's also because he has nothing to lose. He's not like some EmiratiIf you ask me Nietzsche was not actually dissing Plato in that sentence but it was a covert criticism at Plutarch. Plutarch's heroes (Scipio of Rome, Epaminondas and Pelopidas of Thebes which are the guys who put the end to Sparta's dominion...) are very restrained, Thucydides protagonists are very un-restrained and so is his worldview...
(DIR) Post #ARwSZpPf3ExbG3ACXo by KateMossFan666@clubcyberia.co
2023-01-23T17:42:57.654431Z
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@MK2boogaloo @kakkerel https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L1gTulWuxTE Hooray, mobilization! When they take me away! #mobilization - September 21, 2022I mean, look at this guy, he was just so happy (probably still is), it's as if it's the best thing in his life!Which doesn't change my opinion of him - that he's not some kind of a Gulf state oil sheikh. He has nothing to lose, that's why he looks happy as a cat who ate a canary. Brave, but unhappy.
(DIR) Post #ARwYSyg4o2mxgpxTiC by kakkerel@freespeechextremist.com
2023-01-23T18:48:58.294974Z
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@KateMossFan666 @MK2boogaloo >contrast it with some Saudi or Emirati who actually _has_ things to lose, and yet still can go to terrorist adventures abroad.I don't know what makes you think Saudis are worth a damn in combat when they literally hire murderous westerners to do their dirty work for them. I'm not sure there's any military force native to the country that's anything more than ornamental or secret police.The Saudis by virtue of their wealth and their international relationships have accrued to themselves a kind of security and status quo which is advantageous to the sorts of people who run the country, but this ruling elite will be devoured by their own subjects when the money runs out.>native spirit of our citizensNew Yorkers also like to speak about the native spirit of their subjected urban idlers. In consideration of what I *know* about the history of Athens and what I *know* about big cities in general, I *know* when another orator is blowing smoke up my ass.>at Athens we live exactly as we please, and yet are just as ready to encounter every legitimate dangerBut the events of the history demonstrates this to be flatly untrue. The entire success of Athens fundamentally comes down to maritime access to grain imports, particularly from Greek colonies in Chersonesus. Meanwhile, and for long portions of the war, the majority of the Attic population is living in absolute depravity and literal plague within the walls of Athens. What kind of ease is that? If anything, the population could certainly be induced to sign up for military adventures as a liberation from living should-to-sweaty-shoulder with hundreds of thousands of refugees who may or may not be incubating epidemic illness.I'm also not really in a position to know the mind or intent or Thucydides in spite of the length of the history he wrote. I'm no more comfortable calling him a conservative than I am a liberal--in basically any valuation of those terms.