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(DIR) Post #ARjwb6vfsnNnRYBbU0 by AndiPopp@chaos.social
2023-01-17T13:48:38Z
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Because it has to be repeated again and again: We need to drastically reduce the number of cars to solve our problems.
(DIR) Post #ARjwb8Uo3f4yIndAsi by AndiPopp@chaos.social
2023-01-17T14:45:34Z
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Man, this post is blowing up. And it's just a memefication of one of @BrentToderian 's statements đ
(DIR) Post #ARkHwaVHDgVSHivAZ6 by timsmalley@mastodon.green
2023-01-17T18:19:49Z
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@AndiPopp so true. My main issue in adopting public transport as a means of travel for work is that most of my work isn't near stations, bus services are infrequent, unreliable and expensive. Also, as a photographer, I carry a lot of equipment.
(DIR) Post #ARkHwb0pKNk9rZgMk4 by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T18:48:19Z
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@timsmalley @AndiPopp Got to agree, Tim. I'm a wildlife photographer, and an angler: I can't (God knows I've tried) rely on public transport for either of these in my part of the world - SE Northumberland, England. I've lived in 5 large towns (not in-the-sticks hamlets) in my 62 years, and NOT ONE of them was on the UK rail network.Buses? Desperately unreliable, and none go anywhere I'd want to.I ride an e-bike, but it can't get me and my kit ANYWHERE NEAR places I want to visit.
(DIR) Post #ARkHwbWNR4yrRQRYv2 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T20:47:11Z
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@keithreeder @timsmalley @AndiPopp Maybe the problem is having/wanting to visit a lot of distant places like that ? I feel like back from the "car days" people didn't suffer too much about that peculliar problem, because it wasn't possible nobody could it of you, and if you really wanted to make it your life ? You still could, but slowly, dedicacing your life to it then.
(DIR) Post #ARkI2hqIqVWKmgfoSO by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T20:48:19Z
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@AndiPopp I guess I would put a bike instead of a train.I think jobs shouldn't be around the train station. Jobs and supermarkets should be around the house.
(DIR) Post #ARkIYBML9ZOhJ1fRlA by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T20:54:03Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp I spent 40-odd years working my arse off - I'm entitled to, and have earned, some "me time".Besides, I'm not talking about "distant" places - I'm talking less than 30 miles in a lot of cases.
(DIR) Post #ARkJb9rpG1wxV7NT3w by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T21:05:45Z
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@xjix @timsmalley @AndiPopp @keithreeder I think so too.But I think what one is entitled to do with one's time should be limited to what society accept to produce.If we stop to make a car-society, some "me time" will have to adapt. And I think it's not a bad thing.
(DIR) Post #ARkJoso1UJYcdl8wme by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T21:08:13Z
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@otyugh @xjix @timsmalley @AndiPopp "But I think what one is entitled to do with one's time should be limited to what society accept to produce."And *when* society decides that some modest occasional travel for recreation is a sin, I'll agree with you. But it doesn't, and it isn't.
(DIR) Post #ARkK2ukD4rRihs3Bcu by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T21:10:48Z
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@keithreeder @xjix @timsmalley @AndiPopp I'm not saying it should be a sin to travel for recreation, though.
(DIR) Post #ARkKFfGRwWdgSdD5Ye by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T21:13:06Z
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@otyugh @xjix @timsmalley @AndiPopp But you *are* suggesting that some things - innocent, benign things - might warrant restriction on completely subjective, arbitrary grounds.Nope.
(DIR) Post #ARkL9Of2rQDJBQI14K by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T21:23:11Z
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@keithreeder @xjix @timsmalley @AndiPopp I think there is a misunderstanding ; I don't think there should be restrictions on the use of car - but I think a healthy society would make so that society wouldn't produce the infrastructure needed for cars - and instead focus on a society that could work without.- At the sacrifice of a few traveller going a tad slower to their destination sometimes.But like. I don't think we'll do it. I'm just saying what I'm craving for, as car hater.
(DIR) Post #ARkMQXiwWBz8AUquuG by timsmalley@mastodon.green
2023-01-17T21:37:29Z
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@otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp I'm a pro interior photographer & all of my work is within 25 miles of home. My personal woodland work is also local.I carry ~40kg of kit - what's needed for a day's work. I live in the suburbs near London; the rail doesn't go east-west. Would you expect an electrician, plumber or builder to travel by bus with all of their gear?We don't fly if there is an alternative, we've been veg for 12yrs, we use solar power, & plant ~400 trees/yr - more if we have to fly.
(DIR) Post #ARkMWF6udRuAB3mXmC by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T21:38:32Z
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@timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp
(DIR) Post #ARkMtnUoxMXHU0CFk0 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T21:42:43Z
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@timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp I think it only means your work adapted to a car society. You didn't have a choice to have it that way.If it wasn't a car centered around the car your work would have another shape.I'm convinced there is a lot of new work waiting to budd localy, and a lot of "2-5h/commute/day" that'd have to disapear. I think it'd be a win in the end, but it would be challenging at first, I get that.
(DIR) Post #ARkNCTLe5fGAUsoHD6 by timsmalley@mastodon.green
2023-01-17T21:46:08Z
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@otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp sorry, I have to fundamentally disagree with you. Fewer cars would be great, and I think it's important to minimise one's use of personal cars, but the question remains... would you expect an electrician, plumber, builder, pest controller or any other tradesman to carry all of their equipment by public transport?
(DIR) Post #ARkP800HS0ekEioMJU by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:07:45Z
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@timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp >would you expect an electrician, plumber, builder, pest controller or any other tradesman to carry all of their equipment by public transport?To me the solution to this is... More of all theses trades, more locally.As a IT handyman for work, I feel like a society without cars would only means that I'd have to advertise myself more locally, and I'd have to diversify my work to more things (like helping in agriculture seasonaly and other odd jobbs).
(DIR) Post #ARkPQHLNibkBEGOi0G by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T22:11:01Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp "To me the solution to this is... More of all theses trades, more locally."Even a few hundred meters would be unrealistically far to schlep all the gear some tradesmen need to carry: I'm getting a new gas fire installed in a week or so, and although the business is local (less than 5 miles away), the engineer will still be arriving at my door in a van - the fire alone weighs nearly as much as I do!
(DIR) Post #ARkQ8wATITJAaHaavo by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T22:19:06Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp "To me the solution to this is... More of all theses trades, more locally."Oh - and lets not forget the economics of this idea: either too many tradesmen chasing the same limited amount of work = lots of out-of-business businesses.There's a reason why tradesmen are prepared to travel to where the work is...
(DIR) Post #ARkQE4UflkPvr1UDZI by timsmalley@mastodon.green
2023-01-17T22:20:01Z
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@otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp So would you expect them to walk or cycle between jobs with their equipment? Sorry to be a pedant on this, but you're proposing a society without any cars.To put it into terms in an industry you know - how do you move a growing company's rack of 1U servers holding their most important data (that they do not want to store in the cloud) from the old office it has outgrown to a new, larger, more energy efficient office without a vehicle?
(DIR) Post #ARkQWziNlFMMXDvEI4 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:23:29Z
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@keithreeder @timsmalley @AndiPopp I don't think that's such a deep issue. The tools would only have to be adapted ; more modular, built on the spot, miniaturized... I think most of the problem you bring out is only rising from the fact that... We live in a car society. Everyday tools and services are shaped by it. Of course they won't fit "as is". But I don't think it'd be unsurmontable to adapt either - because one mere generation ago, it wasn't even an option.
(DIR) Post #ARkQznM8n0mKbRFga8 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:28:41Z
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@timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp Yes, some stuff won't be possible anymore in a car-less society, I wholy agree with that - it would impact even internet structure.I think it'd be great ! I host most of my stuff on a tiny raspberrypi stuff since 1,5 decades, I wonder how internet would fare if the internet giants disapeared, it's a dear thought to me ^^'
(DIR) Post #ARkR5pbfKrQBJtOMhk by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T22:29:45Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp "I don't think that's such a deep issue. The tools would only have to be adapted ; more modular, built on the spot, miniaturized.."OK, but that still doesn't help the gas engineer who has to get a 100kg gas fire to my front door.
(DIR) Post #ARkR8lnJxssyMkFF8i by timsmalley@mastodon.green
2023-01-17T22:24:53Z
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@keithreeder @otyugh @AndiPopp yes, hyperlocal tradespeople would mean a lot of tradespeople who won't make ends meet.In my case, I have limited how far I travel, but I either work in one locale for the whole day or string jobs together in the most efficient way possible.
(DIR) Post #ARkR8mH6BAhlr6B1YO by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:30:17Z
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@timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp They'd just have to adapt, right ?I don't know. I feel like I have to adapt everyday when society don't let me do without a car for living sake !
(DIR) Post #ARkRWvUfYU3FOh2V2e by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T22:34:39Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp Adapting is great - I'm all for it, and have always tried to be creative and imaginative in my life decisions - but as of right now (at the risk of sounding like a stuck record) we have to make the best of world *as it is*.When I can have a fusion reactor that fits in the palm of my hand and powers/heats my whole house, I'll jump at the chance: but as of today, it's a new gas fire or potential hypothermia; idealism doesn't keep you very warm...
(DIR) Post #ARkRczc79LQ3ufPkqe by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:35:45Z
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@keithreeder @timsmalley @AndiPopp I actualy think 100kg isn't much of a challenge for a small motorized bike and a trailer.I don't know if we are talking about the same issue - most of your objection seem to be about how "no car" would be the end of the world. I just make the point that it wouldn't, it'd just be a different one. And if you are not willing to do without, there are like, dozens of mid-concession that could ultimatly be made.
(DIR) Post #ARkRs0gZRlATa5exY8 by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T22:38:27Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp "I actually think 100kg isn't much of a challenge for a small motorized bike and a trailer."And two engineers.And tools.And additional metal piping and fittings.And testing equipment.And a new fireplace.And cement/bricks to set the fireplace up properly.And a new marble hearth.And the fact that they have a van, not a bike and trailer...
(DIR) Post #ARkRtz0eeJiuxhzinA by timsmalley@mastodon.green
2023-01-17T22:36:04Z
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@keithreeder @otyugh @AndiPopp surely, in the future, we will just bask in the glow of our own exploding egos. đ€Ż đ„ đ€ I long for the days of zero fossil fuel extraction. I long for the days of alternatives to electric vehicles as I have my very serious concerns about the use of rare minerals in battery manufacture, and I look forward to the day when everything is powered by renewable energy. I also look forward to the day when we give nature a chance to thrive again.
(DIR) Post #ARkRtzSIzVqELSvntI by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:38:51Z
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@timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp And I though I was a dreamer... Oh god.
(DIR) Post #ARkS7LU2P3D6Qc6sXw by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T22:41:15Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp "most of your objection seem to be about how "no car" would be the end of the world"*A* of my "objection" is that right now, in 2023, we have to live with what we've got; but that you seem to think doing so is entirely optional.
(DIR) Post #ARkSUuANcQaQej9JFA by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:45:28Z
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@keithreeder @timsmalley @AndiPopp I agree - out of my "dream" of a life that would have cars be optionnal, I really think that as long as we only "live by" without changing a thing, we are all dying in flame by 2-3 generation.I'm eager to live it too, I must say. I'm not only about a lofty "if" utopes. I'm fascinated by apocalyptical distasters too !
(DIR) Post #ARkSuMekpaVGFtUqfY by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-17T22:50:05Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @AndiPopp The point is that it can't be a binary choice: we can't just say "OK, as of tomorrow, no more ICE vehicles".We have to *get there*, but it can't happen unless we're smart and methodical about it - and that means, *big time*, getting The Man In The Street engaged.That doesn't happen by diktat, so it *must* be an ongoing work in progress, or it will never happen.
(DIR) Post #ARkT1M9v4viIjwPLrU by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:51:21Z
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@keithreeder @timsmalley @AndiPopp I agree !
(DIR) Post #ARkTkoEdXTtQqcHuS0 by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T22:59:34Z
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@keithreeder @timsmalley @AndiPopp I agree - but we have the timing problem too. I wonder if society will get things right before it's too late. If it's not already. I really wonder about that. As a spectator.I'm paralyzed by how few people feel the urgency to "do something" about it. We only see the rise of renewable energy as a way to let out the steam of guilt and continue forward with quite the acceleration.Even talking about not going full speed is seen as ludicrous by most.
(DIR) Post #ARkUAO8RCVJ9QfaLyq by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-17T23:04:13Z
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@keithreeder @timsmalley @AndiPopp Some scholar told me the story of how the tallest figures of byzance were debating about the angels genitalias while their city was under siege by a foreign army.I kind of feel like that all the time about ecology.
(DIR) Post #ARkcDG8YC3Sl7pWBJg by Grey08@chaos.social
2023-01-17T13:53:59Z
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@AndiPopp than drastically invest in public transportation outside of citiesâŠ. The people there have no chance without carsâŠ
(DIR) Post #ARkcDGpRcZm3GraRAu by AndiPopp@chaos.social
2023-01-17T13:56:11Z
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@Grey08 Yes, this is a part of it. But increasing living density is also part of the equation. Many "non-city" areas are surprisingly unsustainable.
(DIR) Post #ARkcDHG21j2cbK1fcG by Grey08@chaos.social
2023-01-17T14:09:01Z
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@AndiPopp there a minor problems first of all rental prices are insane in the city. Most people canât effort that. Than not all people are capable to live in a city where it will be never dark or silent enough to sleep with a open window.The quality of life is also worse in a city and that will not change with les cars because there are not enough plants in a city. Also wind will be a problem between the âskyscraperâ see NYC. There a many other social problems when you cram people in dens areas.
(DIR) Post #ARkcDHe8a6K7o5IvBo by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T00:34:22Z
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@Grey08 @AndiPopp If the quality of life is worse in cities, why have people created cities since before the dawn of recorded history â in fact before agriculture, according to the latest archaeological information?Down to about 1970, even in wealthy countries, life expectancies were longer in the countryside than in the cities (no longer true), but people kept moving to cities anyway!
(DIR) Post #ARkcQgvZth2Xyor5FI by joesabin@mastodon.world
2023-01-17T14:38:26Z
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@AndiPopp The car and its reliability as transportation have changed how we live our lives. There are hundreds of little things that would need to adjust to make public transportation and private work and commerce functional. Some of those changes will reflect the availability of public transportation, not always available to get someone to work at 9am, for example. Perhaps 9:10 and occasionally late due to issues beyond the employees' control. Are we willing to do this? Time will tell.
(DIR) Post #ARkcQhMAIqJ7JHIJge by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T00:36:49Z
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@joesabin @AndiPopp "Reliability"? I live in a very car-centered urbanized area, and the one thing I can say for certain is that I never know, when setting out, if my trip will be 40 minutes or 120.
(DIR) Post #ARkckxEoxuj4MDWBcG by ilfazzo@mastodon.uno
2023-01-17T20:54:56Z
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@AndiPopp the problem is, usually this is true from a standpoint of a person living in the city. I live in the countryside 10km from the nearest train station and 30km from the nearest big city. I can't even get my groceries without a car let alone go to work. It's good to reduce emissions using more public transportation but it is impossible to completely get rid of cars.
(DIR) Post #ARkckxl51yWvyGbwtk by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T00:40:28Z
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@ilfazzo @AndiPopp Look at where the people are. Look at where the cars are. If we reduce motor vehicles in urban areas to, say, 1 per 10 in habitants, by providing better transit in and between cities, most of the damage done by motor vehicles goes away, while most of the benefit remains.
(DIR) Post #ARkcqfHucHXUQJgea8 by zaphodb@twitter.resolvt.net
2023-01-17T21:01:43Z
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@AndiPopp @f2k1de I agree with the general sentiment however itâs not that easy. In Germany weâd need massive investments in rail infrastructure to make the transition work and for say the US it might not even be feasible because of their massive distances between towns in rural areas.
(DIR) Post #ARkcqfriTABADMRFOC by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T00:41:29Z
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@zaphodb @AndiPopp @f2k1de Speaking as an American who lives in a very car-oriented urbanized area, that is nonsense. Just yesterday I drove through an insanely complicated motorway interchange which cost literally billions of dollars to build. Meanwhile $10M for rail transit cannot be had.
(DIR) Post #ARkcwOL2XzyZaosfFA by obbzy@aus.social
2023-01-17T21:08:21Z
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@AndiPopp You misspelt 'people'. Need to reduce to 2bn b end of the century. Still possible, but only just.Otherwise population control may be forced, by nature or by genocide.Either way, it's inevitable...
(DIR) Post #ARkcwOqaehDHAfdrQ8 by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T00:42:30Z
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@obbzy @AndiPopp Reducing the world population to 2 billion by the end of the century IS genocide by any definition.Who, in your opinion, are the 6 billion people who don't matter and can die? Not you or anybody you know, I'm sure.
(DIR) Post #ARkdGFmE5YA2pc4G1Y by 64bithero@techhub.social
2023-01-17T21:01:57Z
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@AndiPopp personally I hate this answer. Overcrowding in urban areas isnt the solution to save the planet. I hate cities , I hate living on top of people. And getting everyone to ride the train wonât save the planet on its own either. Electrify all fleets of transportation. Cut off as much dependence on fossil fuel. There are so many things that need to be done. But this can all be one with me getting a house on some land where I still have a car
(DIR) Post #ARkdGGG0IpyqJy02RE by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T00:45:42Z
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@64bithero @AndiPopp Firstly, the greater part of the people in the world's already live in cities, and we have to solve the problem that actually exists, not a made-up alternative one.Secondly, it's not difficult to show that people living in medium-density cities, with a given standard of living, use FAR less resources per each than people living in low-density areas. And it is the limitations on our natural resources we have to deal with.
(DIR) Post #ARl4JY29Md7p5LJMYK by zaphodb@twitter.resolvt.net
2023-01-18T01:37:44Z
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@publius @AndiPopp @f2k1de Well Iâm saying it would way harder to turn the US around on trains as it would be for Germany. That seems to be a known consensus. https://youtu.be/mbEfzuCLoAQ
(DIR) Post #ARl52JaTvCRZJPiSpc by obbzy@aus.social
2023-01-18T01:46:13Z
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@publius @AndiPopp How is it genocide to reduce through attrition?It's simple mathematics If all nations on Earth agreed to limit births to 1 per couple for two generations, then slowly increase that to slightly over 2 by the end of the third generation, our population should stabilise at approx 2bn by 2100. We can't have 8bn+ people on Earth and expect to survive. Our eradication of resources and other species (flora and fauna) will see you it that our population will also be decimated. If not nature, the the resource wars will kill us all (via war or genocide)You either do this in a controlled & relatively pain free way, or let it happen in a catastrophic manner. Your choice...
(DIR) Post #ARlMwvIab4Lli2vSpU by Pineywoozle@masto.ai
2023-01-18T09:18:03Z
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@otyugh @timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp pssst heâs your mirror.
(DIR) Post #ARlRNDevM8spzyAQfQ by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-18T10:07:37Z
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@Pineywoozle @timsmalley @keithreeder @AndiPopp
(DIR) Post #ARlY4IbtQIkHWzftM8 by PixElyseeReclus@jasette.facil.services
2023-01-17T23:09:02Z
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@timsmalley @otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp if one can move an appartement on bicycle, they certainly can move their tools. As for going out business, that only happens in a profit driven economy. Otherwise, one happy customer and one happy tradesman is enough.
(DIR) Post #ARlY4Jk5DKtJ2gVwlE by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-18T10:49:28Z
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@PixElyseeReclus @timsmalley @otyugh @AndiPopp It's not hard to come up with edge case "proofs" that something can be done a different way, but they actually *prove* nothing.Lets say my gas engineer rocked up at my house on that: I can *guarantee* that by the time he was ready to leave, somebody would have stolen the bike and trailer, along with any tools, supplies and equipment left on it, which there would necessarily be.Pesky Real World practicalities, eh?
(DIR) Post #ARlY4KMitfncyWanzM by keithreeder@newsie.social
2023-01-18T11:03:04Z
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@PixElyseeReclus @timsmalley @otyugh @AndiPopp Another inconvenient Real World truth is that tradesmen don't just load for *the next job*:.They're generally out all day, going straight from one piece of work to the next - no going back to home-base after each completed job - which means they need to carry everything they *might* require for a full day's business, across multiple locations.Not doing *that* from the back of a pushbike.
(DIR) Post #ARlY4KlBQjMiCO2L7A by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-01-18T11:22:36Z
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@keithreeder @PixElyseeReclus @timsmalley @AndiPopp "hey everything as they are now don't always fit if you remove a widespread tool overnight ©"
(DIR) Post #ARlx2jC66yPkFqxNCq by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T16:02:29Z
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@obbzy @AndiPopp Firstly, by the use of energy on a large scale to produce fresh water from the seas, recover valuable minerals from wastes, intensify agriculture and free up land for biodiversity, &c, it is entirely feasible to support well over 10 billion humans at the living standard of a wealthy country today.Of course this means using nuclear energy, but we always knew it would.Secondly, "orderly" population decrease has never been seen. Loss of social complexity leads to collapse.
(DIR) Post #ARlxQWSP7QsRhYviu8 by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T16:06:48Z
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@zaphodb @AndiPopp @f2k1de There's a lot of nonsense that's talked about trains in the USA. The truth is, although people say "the vast distances make rail transport impracticable", the bulk of the actual population (and the trips) is concentrated in a few major corridors (such as BostonâWashington or LAâSF) which are easily served by rail.And for getting between them⊠the Amtrak "Empire Builder" between Chicago and Seattle is about 3500 km. At 275 km/h that's 12 hours, a good sleeper route.
(DIR) Post #ARm0W5YmKo57siG1HU by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T16:41:26Z
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@obbzy @AndiPopp Look at the US today. Artificially high costs for having and raising children (a normal birth in a hospital is priced at a full year's median personal income) have made things very difficult for people from socioeconomically disfavoured groups. Now add a fine for having too many kids on top of that, which the wealthy can easily afford to pay, and having children becomes explicitly a status symbol.That's class warfare taken to an extreme.
(DIR) Post #ARm2n9t3hR1Y8J0i8m by 64bithero@techhub.social
2023-01-18T14:15:01Z
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@publius @AndiPopp over crowding is a thing. The whole world doesnât want to live in cities. Cities have a larger population in general. Itâs not the end all be all solution and Iâm tired of people pretending it is.
(DIR) Post #ARm2skYUnLkzJ13glU by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T17:07:56Z
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@obbzy @AndiPopp The USA â with high medical costs and job-linked coverage â and China â with explicit population-control policies which can be evaded if you're wealthy or politically well-connected â have given us a taste of societies in which having kids is a privilege which can be granted or withheld.That's not a road you want to go down.
(DIR) Post #ARm3G2j3P8CaJv6VhQ by publius@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-01-18T17:12:08Z
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@64bithero @AndiPopp High-infill-density urbanized areas don't have to be "crowded", and to a non-trivial extent, things like the choice of motorcar versus rail transit affect whether they feel crowded or not.But the vital point is that so many of the world's people are already in cities! So if we come up with solutions which work well for cities, we have that much less work to do.If you think the solution lies in emptying them â 8E9 people, at suburban density, would cover North America.
(DIR) Post #ARmeftm10XQyO9gIYy by zaphodb@twitter.resolvt.net
2023-01-18T22:02:04Z
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@publius Clearly trains make a lot of sense for urban population centers. The premise of those two images is wrong as obviously whats needed is a smart combination of all means of low-CO2-emissions transport.The Empire Builder non-stop currently runs for 46h 24m.
(DIR) Post #ARmsOwdaVLjThsY7Xs by abartlet@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-01-19T00:09:13Z
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@publius @ilfazzo @AndiPopp It doesn't need to be even that big of a change. NZ has almost 1 car per person, one per household unit would make a massive positive difference.
(DIR) Post #ARmsOyTjex2XPtxHSy by abartlet@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-01-19T00:10:57Z
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@publius @ilfazzo @AndiPopp It doesn't need to be even that big of a change. NZ has almost 1 car per person, one per household unit would make a massive positive difference.
(DIR) Post #ARmsP7nuzHX2L6T1fs by abartlet@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-01-19T00:09:46Z
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@publius @ilfazzo @AndiPopp It doesn't need to be even that big of a change. NZ has almost 1 car per person, one per household unit would make a massive positive difference.
(DIR) Post #AdCB6IcvxR1j3chdKa by fluepke@chaos.social
2023-01-17T23:27:57Z
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@timsmalley @otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp an electric cargo bike might be a solution?
(DIR) Post #AdCB6Jr9O3zcs0MV84 by Zambunny@livellosegreto.it
2023-12-26T07:20:54Z
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@fluepke @timsmalley @otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp I have more than one invisible disability, I live in a small Italian town with very little to no transportation, and I am a very lonely person. I'm autistic and I've always struggled with public transportation for many different reasons: not only lack of privacy and, in some cases, safety (I am female so that's even more of a problem), but having to stick to time tables, hauling my things while I suffer from chronic lack of energy... 1/
(DIR) Post #AdCB6KtJXVJm50Nk8m by Zambunny@livellosegreto.it
2023-12-26T07:31:13Z
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@fluepke @timsmalley @otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp ...being unable to regulate the level of sensory stimulation such as noise, light, smells and temperature. Not to mention Italian trains are famous for their inefficiency, for never being on schedule, and being expensive if compared to the quality of the service. I've been approached by shady characters several times. I need specialized medical care I can't find locally. And if I want to take part in any cultural event I need to travel. 2/
(DIR) Post #AdCB6Li0V1rqcE6E9g by Zambunny@livellosegreto.it
2023-12-26T07:47:44Z
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@fluepke @timsmalley @otyugh @keithreeder @AndiPopp So. I approve of the idea to drastically reduce the number of cars especially in urban areas and the wish for cities made for people and not for cars. However, I invite everyone to consider how, in this less than ideal society, some people can benefit greatly from or really need an individual means of transportion. I don't want to defend cars per se, just point out that in some cases we as a society still lack a better alternative. 3/end
(DIR) Post #AdCB6MX3REhVAXyziq by otyugh@pouet.chapril.org
2023-12-26T08:15:36Z
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@Zambunny I don't think it's a contradiction. I remember one video about "the more scarce the cars are on the road, the more comfortable they are to use". The excess of cars made cars impractical ; and the focus on them only made them more toxic to every other mean of transport.