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(DIR) Post #ARiiuYCT7axD0ZSOhc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T02:40:00.037084Z
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listening to #twintrouble episode 9 https://twintrouble.net/episode-9-crypto-fascist-hell/
(DIR) Post #ARijBkLtC5t7cU3yNs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T02:43:07.676557Z
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This episode features@cooperq@web3isgreat Incidentally the crypto 'house of cards' hasn't "fallen apart". Bitcoin is still working just fine. But let's see what they say.
(DIR) Post #ARipIhXGfCJ8dX5JXk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T03:51:36.213432Z
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I'll say this much: @molly0xfff takes issue not with the dabblers, not with the techies but *us*She's at least understanding who her problem is, and who she disagrees with.
(DIR) Post #ARk2Bqa289o7DtOsQC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T17:50:40.327224Z
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@molly0xfff gets that crypto is the "biggest bug bounty out there" but doesn't get that we *needed* a bug bounty system like this
(DIR) Post #ARk2XkW5M7Y6mtzto0 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T17:54:42.032417Z
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"fuck all these fake ass 'technologists' working to deanonymize people" - jeramen
(DIR) Post #ARk3UQp0DyJin4pNNA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T18:05:18.297791Z
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one of @molly0xfff 's arguments is that crypto (not cryptocurrency) is potentially flawed, therefor we can't trust it with our data. This is directly related to the above: crypto gives an idea of how much we can trust the crypto we use.
(DIR) Post #ARk507c5HAacRCSaEC by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T18:22:14.201513Z
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@molly0xfff gets that crypto gives people a way to engage with bigger ideological differences: she claims black americans are one of the larger groups buying into cryptocurrency , doing so more than whites. Even if it was true that they lose more $ by buying/selling at the wrong time, on average, even just having the choice gives them an option of which economic system to support.@molly0xfff notes that if you make a voting system based on shares that is just plutocracy. Correctly points out self-sovereign identity, and the black mirror dystopian outcomes involved in stuff like #worldcoin. "dystopian novel that hasn't been written yet" nailed it there: every new level of rational behaviour opens new kinds of dystopias, and the utilization of crypto is an example of that on every scale* gets into soulbound tokens, points out the danger of using police records with themThey are so close.They understand the risks, but they don't see that the world central banks are moving on implementing some of this stuff without us.This whole thing is a matter of trying to answer the question "ok so you have a problem with the way things are, *what would you do differently*"Soulbound tokens are just the latest iteration of this.
(DIR) Post #ARk5EEqBCYm4uImhBA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T18:24:47.641275Z
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@molly0xfff "we don't have exposure to mutual aid organizations"it's...almost like we're isolated from eachother around the worldand reaching out for ways of working together on a global scale
(DIR) Post #ARk5gdU5AeSDRizPiy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T18:29:56.086970Z
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about an hour inThis discussion is well worth listening to especially if you're pro-crypto, and is not nearly as one-sided as I feared. Even @molly0xfff, as against using crypto as she is does see the other sides points and engages with it.
(DIR) Post #ARk6sbbm4TWn3brJPU by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T18:43:18.247803Z
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@molly0xfff also, in my personal experience...many of these organizations are organized in church.If you're an atheist, you just do not have access to them, and the exact same argument can be levied against atheists as cryptobros in this case:"it's like you're trying to reinvent charity from scratch, we already have institutions of organized charity we don't need new ones....it's called the catholic/united/whatever church. If you want to build a better world you have to work with them or don't bother trying. Come to our church on sunday or consider yourself a social outcast and stay alone"
(DIR) Post #ARk7AstKYFmPs9mpZg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T18:46:35.495876Z
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@molly0xfff ( and you might think i'm being hyperbolic here,that people wouldn't *really* think like this but i've actually had this argument made against me more than once)
(DIR) Post #ARk8dlh6UPDZu2P8Lo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:03:01.817587Z
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"People are worried about contagion from crypto to traditional finance"The point is to destroy the traditional financial system. If there was 'contagion' and if the scams in the legacy world got burned, that would be a good thing.~@74:00 "and you don't own the IP"@molly0xfff is operating under a just as much of a mistaken idea of how the copyright systems across the world works as these delusional dune NFT folks if she's uttering these words in that order, just on the opposite side.
(DIR) Post #ARk9QFylC7SDjHmgD2 by IceCubeSoup@noagendasocial.com
2023-01-17T19:11:32Z
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subscribed to @jeffcliff because of this interesting thread. Was surprised to see he was already following me, haha!@molly0xfff
(DIR) Post #ARk9Rw685D8yeG228O by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:12:04.483525Z
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@IceCubeSoup @molly0xfff make sure to listen to the twintrouble podcast episode i'm talking about ^
(DIR) Post #ARk9lEXRkHdZLK0jlA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:15:22.669260Z
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"every technologist needs to know exactly what they are willing to be a part of" @molly0xfff well put
(DIR) Post #ARk9qLBQT3NXOp97wm by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:16:30.800218Z
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@molly0xfff shorter:it's easier to unionize 50 twitter employees than it would be to unionize 2000 twitter employees.
(DIR) Post #ARkAU0ItW5RoE4YJU0 by IceCubeSoup@noagendasocial.com
2023-01-17T19:22:36Z
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@jeffcliff @molly0xfff OK, I suppose I'm obligated to now that I've commented on your thread!https://twintrouble.net/episode-9-crypto-fascist-hell/> As the collapses pile up, what should ethical technologists be doing to fight back? lol, it's called bitcoin, we've been doing it all along, but then all the crypto-bros showed up and web3 obfuscated everything
(DIR) Post #ARkAb9xzzKYADqBtYW by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:24:54.930617Z
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@IceCubeSoup @molly0xfff I mean, we in the bitcoin side invited them in.At least I tried to engage with the next generation of developers to build something cool and liberating with bitcoin as its basis, and to try to help people understand the political consequences of what they were doing while they were doing it
(DIR) Post #ARkAfgaIerYgXiGR84 by rumblestiltskin@cryptocartel.social
2023-01-17T19:25:00Z
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@jeffcliff @molly0xfff I do not stop using encrypted chat or stop using VPNs because the encryption is potentially flawed.I think an activist working in a authoritarian regime has more to lose by trusting "crypto" than myself with some disposable income at risk.
(DIR) Post #ARkB5RJW3a2gi7h5Bg by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:30:25.379466Z
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@cooperq @molly0xfff@web3isgreat :blobscream: * The internet archive will not be a place where human rights violations can be documented long term. To the extent @cooperq is trying to use them a censorship resistant platform will reduce the time it will take for all the culture, all the archives, all the documents they've saved, all the work people like @Schnits has put into saving history...all of it to be burned.* insta bans mention of zlib (?) #censorship"what is wrong with tor?" Tor site are often funded with crypto."the whole fediverse"There are significant chunks of the fediverse that are funded with crypto.
(DIR) Post #ARkB9ZajDrvBXdiRYe by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:31:10.902108Z
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@molly0xfff Also: there is a track record for the fediverse, we've been around for well over a decade now.
(DIR) Post #ARkBF1Fpne2emiXWuu by rumblestiltskin@cryptocartel.social
2023-01-17T19:30:45Z
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@jeffcliff @molly0xfff Any risk to traditional finance will not come from cryptocurrency itself yet. it is not big enough. The risks to traditional finance comes from traditional corporations allowing leverage trading with assets they do not even have. This is a traditional finance issue, not a cryptocurrency issue.
(DIR) Post #ARkBF1iY4t0iDlySfo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:31:54.881349Z
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@rumblestiltskin @molly0xfff if all of crypto went to 0 overnight you would see some...interesting waves in legacy systems at this point at the very least. When Tether/UST goes.. .
(DIR) Post #ARkBO8UaG6YLq4mmqe by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:33:48.778727Z
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"what about tor with a blockchain" @cooperq this is basically describing #tribler. It's not tor, but it's something *like* tor that works for transferring large files anonymously
(DIR) Post #ARkCOBCAJEdkAyktjk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:45:02.499123Z
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* snowflake : sounds like a client-side pluggable transport for webrtc, ie tor traffic that looks like zoom/discord
(DIR) Post #ARkCSK2pLisKmRMZMW by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T19:45:45.941975Z
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https://snowflake.torproject.org/
(DIR) Post #ARkDoX8LSuW3hT6CJs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:01:00.382372Z
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1) worth reiterating: one of the important jobs that isn't nearly as sexy as the hacking/leaking is the *READING* of leaked material "comparing yesterdays lies with today's propaganda" ie the noam chomsky stuff , ie the work of actual journalists (including citizen journalists/those who would be bloggers/researchers/etc)2) @cooperq thinks it's right that basic tech support is almost certainly more valuable than, say, getting activists on cwtch ...but one thing we can do in *peacetime* is transition normies to cwtchthe time to get people on cwtch isn't during a crisis, that's the point to get people to work together to solve the crisis but when there's time, it's important to move people to cwtch so it's there for when they need it.
(DIR) Post #ARkDv977AX99ENg0K8 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:02:01Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq I really miss thememoryhole.com for that. They would monitor for edits on online news articles.
(DIR) Post #ARkE5txFs0ZzOxC33g by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:04:08.800668Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq and going back to the blockchain stuff in the beginning: that kind of watching is a de facto alternative to using a permanent store/memory in the blockchain itself to just force history to not change
(DIR) Post #ARkE6FmihrDz6eQwgy by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:03:36Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq cwtch huh? good name #cwtch #cymru #wales #cymruambyth
(DIR) Post #ARkE6w7lI10mQ4bLJw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:04:19.983275Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq https://cwtch.im/
(DIR) Post #ARkEFAeh9AO7ntvqSW by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:05:37Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq mm, the solution is not the implementation, the solution is to actually have something that serves that function to be used by those outlets. which they won't, not willingly#blockchain #hammer #nail
(DIR) Post #ARkEMKhuAmlz0Qqg6a by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:07:05.735718Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq i guess that's a third & fourht problem: institutions that help the world understand what's going on are...subparand the existing media institutions (that fail at this) exist.
(DIR) Post #ARkEPGiDTzABU6OUrI by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:07:26Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq i found it. "Cwtch" is a big word among welsh pride. i had a beer at #NosDa in #Cardiff called #Cwtch (Tiny Rebel Brewing) and the word is used all over.
(DIR) Post #ARkEUJ9zoAlkWbn5TU by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:08:32.896431Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq good to see cymru-first tech at least once in my lifebut it would be better if i could get it into debianhttps://bugs.debian.org/922887
(DIR) Post #ARkEzjeVMSdnfL2xTk by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:14:13.449503Z
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@cooperq @Economic_Hitman not sure if #noagenda has covered the stuff yet but starting around @2:16:00 (and for a good dozen minutes or more) or so there's a discussion of the future(present?) of community carceral/patented prison-related technology that is very in tune with the stuff noagenda was discussing about BI around episode 150 or so. You might want to check this out to make sure this stuff isn't news to the NAS side (actually you might want to listen to the whole show but this segment specifically)
(DIR) Post #ARkF3X9TmO3C3SLVsu by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:12:43Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq are the devs actually welsh / wales based? i mean you might think so based on the name but who knows
(DIR) Post #ARkF3XbU6GS5SJRsXI by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:14:54.947848Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq i think the main one is
(DIR) Post #ARkFJsm99Pt5kjECIK by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:16:25Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq @Economic_Hitman like most things, the biggest issue is that government administrators are wannabe corporate types that are far too easily swayed by flashy marketing and also and previously-dealt-with vendors. you end up with a lot of crap that costs too much while the administrators show them off as big wins
(DIR) Post #ARkFNv6KRkZq7iaqSe by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:18:36.442353Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq @Economic_Hitman and prisoners (and innocent people who haven't been cleared by a trial yet) aren't in a position where they can do much about what their administrators choose for them
(DIR) Post #ARkFOq36iOrukEWZqy by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:17:36Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq @Economic_Hitman i briefly worked for city of seattle and encountered this firsthand. it was 2017 and they were using a Java Applet program to run the fucking electric utility meteringand I was tasked with automating testing for it. #killme I didn't last there long.
(DIR) Post #ARkFUQYyNtwfRG5uYi by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:19:29Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq @Economic_Hitman let's never mind that every single tool that ever existed for automating java applets were EOLed in the 00s decade
(DIR) Post #ARkFbtP3YY7Sua11sm by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:20:05Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq @Economic_Hitman well and it's so low level stuff that even lawmakers and the public aren't aware. and the general public disdain for anyone who has ever interacted with police negatively
(DIR) Post #ARkFeAjU63EvElepnc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:21:30.951014Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq @Economic_Hitman yep.Changing this starts with threads like this imho
(DIR) Post #ARkFfzxZ7Ye6PA7Aw4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:21:51.672601Z
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"colonise their intellectual property" @cooperq works for the EFF, c'mon
(DIR) Post #ARkGE125dcObZvS4I4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:27:59.489262Z
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"send me a DM i'd like to chat" I'd consider doing that, @cooperq but the thing is this is what your instance does to mine:>> shit******.*lub> Suspended> Unmoderatedthis is based on a lieshitposter.club is moderated. We have mods here and if you report our toots they see them. For example, I was reported recently for being a "nigger kike". This turned out to not be against our rules, but we do have rules here, and if we violate those rules, our administrators here do act on the violations.
(DIR) Post #ARkGm48SbmoL2zfSng by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:28:22Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq oh jeff you have other accounts 😂
(DIR) Post #ARkGm4dejnlSbkGNQO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:34:09.081276Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq they block most of those too> paw**.*et> Suspended> Pedo shit
(DIR) Post #ARkGmwTwY855bG8Nma by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:28:59Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq there's "moderation" and there's *good* moderation
(DIR) Post #ARkGtYqSpRi6Jpp9o8 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:35:31.095224Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq the only questionable moderation decision here i think was getting rid of mystik
(DIR) Post #ARkIV1xnd8txIRgaw4 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:52:04Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq generally speaking an instance that allows racial slurs is going to be problematic in polite society, and other instances are free to block instances that allow them if they don't want to see them in their circles.#TwoWayStreet
(DIR) Post #ARkIYRRBNKmHAg3XWq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:54:07.512355Z
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@ssfckdt @cooperq very true
(DIR) Post #ARkIhoeORHZ5lthnHc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T20:55:48.401994Z
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For the record, whatever our differences, I'll take Ross Ulbricht over Christopher Tarbell any fucking day of the week.
(DIR) Post #ARkItX0pqItQXjmy3c by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:54:21Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq oh oops i thought you were tacosandhaircut-at-mastodon.social too but that's someone else entirely :P
(DIR) Post #ARkItYjBStxhrZXtp2 by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-17T20:54:54Z
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@jeffcliff @cooperq now that i think of it the handle should have given it away
(DIR) Post #ARkJfhaXpBgbFBSeHI by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-01-17T21:06:37.358994Z
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Honestly this was a good podcast. I'm glad @cooperq @web3isgreat @molly0xfff are around even if I disagree on some points with them.
(DIR) Post #ARkhIuWHygbRab8TJY by dielan@shitposter.club
2023-01-18T01:31:25.883459Z
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@jeffcliff I decided to listen to this on my commute home and I'm surprised too. I was expecting a very un-critical smearfest but it looks like the bitcoin maxis were right again
(DIR) Post #ARoWNtmloTHfterOnA by book@sleepy.cafe
2023-01-19T21:43:25.843493Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
(DIR) Post #ARoWNuHFz7fdQD7kJM by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-19T21:47:18Z
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@book @jeffcliff i guess this means it makes sense to eat, drink, smoke, and shoot up constantly
(DIR) Post #ARoWWzd1SWbcckdZtw by book@sleepy.cafe
2023-01-19T21:48:03.369481Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
(DIR) Post #ARoWX05Nl5I62huE6a by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-19T21:49:19Z
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@book @jeffcliff Sorry I only troll fash chuds nowadays, engagement with lunacy is itself lunacy"madam, trying to have a dialogue with you would be like having a dialogue with a chair. i have no interest in debating with furniture."
(DIR) Post #ARoWhPe5aBIiD86YFc by book@sleepy.cafe
2023-01-19T21:49:43.922570Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
(DIR) Post #ARoWhRd6CphIMdemzA by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-19T21:50:36Z
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@book @jeffcliff Something something about moderation my dudeIllegitimi non carborundumTranslation, ain't nobody got time for that
(DIR) Post #ARoWkTK8McEWUGEIWe by book@sleepy.cafe
2023-01-19T21:50:59.251598Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
(DIR) Post #ARoWkTnuZu3JycA4wK by ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud
2023-01-19T21:51:52Z
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@book @jeffcliff you're not entitled to my emotional labor
(DIR) Post #ASLi5WapuYWLQuoiky by n3f_X@nicecrew.digital
2023-01-18T01:50:19.791673Z
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*points and laughs at you