Post ARgExquEdzOcx2fPNI by mmasnick@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #ARddKJTytP0lNOkZ28 by jeffjarvis@mastodon.social
2023-01-12T20:27:19Z
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It occurs to me that if we want to improve AI like ChatGPT we need consider adding *more* quality content to the net for it (and us) to learn from: every book & textbook published should be in its gray matter with every newspaper & magazine & transcriptions of documentaries, news shows, college lectures, etc. That's what makes this decision from Finland so interesting: To restrict data mining because of copyright is to impinge on the human rights of education & science. https://libereurope.eu/article/the-fundamental-right-to-education-and-science-constitutional-law-v-copyright-law/
(DIR) Post #ARddKJzX06FSxFVlD6 by TedUnderwood@sigmoid.social
2023-01-12T22:29:41Z
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@jeffjarvis Firmly with you on this. There are people who fantasize that they're going to use IP law to defend individual artists and writers against Big Tech. I think that's highly unlikely to work, because models are flexible. We are much better off insisting that the products of models trained on the open creative commons should also, likewise, be open. The big danger in the next two decades is inequality emerging from unequal access to intellectual resources.
(DIR) Post #ARddKKlO8AWtLftynw by JamesGleick@zirk.us
2023-01-13T14:56:06Z
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@TedUnderwood @jeffjarvis If IP law will not be effective in protecting “individual artists and writers” from Big Tech’s assault on their ability to make a living, do you 1) try to find better ways to protect them, or 2) decide they’re not worth protecting and focus exclusively on the interests of those who use their work?
(DIR) Post #ARddKLPnhur7N0oFnM by toondoctor@hci.social
2023-01-14T14:13:21Z
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@JamesGleick @TedUnderwood @jeffjarvis There is a logical flaw in this debate. It assumes that the technology is necessary for education. Hence, presumes all tech is good for education. It is a determinist view that baffles individual rights in favour of group rights, pitting contents creators versus educators. It also oversteps the protective exclusive period guaranteed by IP law before works become public commons.
(DIR) Post #ARddKM7377RzX92nCq by TedUnderwood@sigmoid.social
2023-01-14T14:22:15Z
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@toondoctor @JamesGleick @jeffjarvis It looks to me like the same logical flaw led us to create public libraries. We should have realized a) providing books is not ipso facto good: not all books are good for education and b) if we overstep the protections of IP law we may pit content creators against educators.
(DIR) Post #ARddKMZPPg8Sx6JRPU by JamesGleick@zirk.us
2023-01-14T14:25:08Z
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@TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis I love public libraries. They are a backbone of society and indispensible to authors, too. Also, they buy their books, unlike Google, Internet Archive, etc., which just steal them.
(DIR) Post #ARddKN13ksFmKrFWVc by jameslove@hachyderm.io
2023-01-14T14:51:16Z
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@JamesGleick @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis In what sense does the Internet Archive steal books?
(DIR) Post #ARddKNU80nVPn0qjom by JamesGleick@zirk.us
2023-01-14T14:58:08Z
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@jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis My own books have been repeatedly made available for download in their “digital library.” They are not a library, and they don’t have the right.
(DIR) Post #ARddKO0k3XarQA6meW by NecroBelch@mstdn.party
2023-01-14T15:08:43Z
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@JamesGleick @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis who gets to decide what is and is not a library?
(DIR) Post #ARddKOXM6HgJ3JMpUG by jeffjarvis@mastodon.social
2023-01-14T15:22:54Z
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@NecroBelch @JamesGleick @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor Excellent point.
(DIR) Post #ARddKP3y91lkgScsK0 by jameslove@hachyderm.io
2023-01-14T15:25:28Z
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@jeffjarvis @NecroBelch @JamesGleick @TedUnderwood @toondoctor The internet Archive uses controlled digital lending. It's not some big pirate bay.
(DIR) Post #ARddKRZEpjyCS1GsL2 by jameslove@hachyderm.io
2023-01-14T15:28:15Z
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@jeffjarvis @NecroBelch @JamesGleick @TedUnderwood @toondoctor And while I have an account with the Internet Archive, which I use for a few books I would otherwise find through the Library of Congress, I have bought probably five of James Gleick's books.
(DIR) Post #ARddulAdQWO9fr51e4 by JamesGleick@zirk.us
2023-01-14T15:42:11Z
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@jameslove @jeffjarvis @NecroBelch @TedUnderwood @toondoctor Good example of how American tech bros come up with creative jargon to gloss over their disrespect for individual creators. At least in Scandinavia the pirates are proud to call themselves pirates.
(DIR) Post #ARddulfpYXLHEbfwGm by ML2@akkoma.sandhill.social
2023-01-14T15:50:27.374591Z
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@JamesGleick I'm sorry, but "controlled digital lending" is not piracy. "Controlled digital lending" uses DRM, which is the same kind of system that e-books use to prevent being duplicated endlessly and thus voiding the purpose of selling them, to make sure that libraries can lend books without the risk of those books being copied. Libraries in fact *buy* a set number of copies, and CDL limits the number of copies that can be lent to that number. It's designed to preserve the rights of the author while allowing libraries to lend out digital books.I feel like @mmasnick and even @brewsterkahle should be in on this to provide some explanation and clarification. @jameslove @jeffjarvis @NecroBelch @TedUnderwood @toondoctor
(DIR) Post #ARddwcXIV5qbTRZFR2 by gisiger@nerdculture.de
2023-01-14T14:38:46Z
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@JamesGleick @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis Here we go again, the same old fake news and lies about library digitizing projects, spread by the content mafia. Home taping is killing music, everyone.
(DIR) Post #ARgExquEdzOcx2fPNI by mmasnick@mastodon.social
2023-01-15T07:27:58Z
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@JamesGleick @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis they rely on the right of first sale, which does exist and has for ages... and is critical for libraries to exist. Disappointed to see you coming out on the wrong side of this debate. They are not doing anything different than a library does. They are a library. And a very useful one for knowledge.
(DIR) Post #ARgF2NudrtgeTg1CWO by osma@mas.to
2023-01-15T07:45:46Z
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@mmasnick @JamesGleick @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis A key feature of libraries' use of books is that they have a limited number of copies - even when those copies are digital. This is a balance between public access and authors' rights which tech appropriation such as unlicensed LLM driven plagiarism does not seem to feature.
(DIR) Post #ARgF2OTNmjTaDQGwfg by mmasnick@mastodon.social
2023-01-15T07:53:55Z
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@osma @JamesGleick @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis This is also a key feature of how the Open Library handles ebooks. It only has as many copies to lend out as it has physical copies to match.
(DIR) Post #ARgF2OzHs6zroNCQOu by JamesGleick@zirk.us
2023-01-15T15:00:54Z
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@mmasnick @osma @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis There’s your mistake. They don’t “have” physical copies.A particular library (a real one) bought one copy of my book. They may lend it out in perpetuity, to one person after another.A library can also buy my ebook, published (with great care and some expense) by Open Road Media, …
(DIR) Post #ARgF2PVtur5JRWSTEe by JamesGleick@zirk.us
2023-01-15T15:01:23Z
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@mmasnick @osma @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis … and then lend it in perpetuity, to one person after another.The so-called “Open Library” has bought neither the print book nor the ebook. They’re using illegal scans. Through a bookkeeping trick, they claim to right to lend their scans with the backing of the thousands of copies of my print book in various (real) libraries.It’s just piracy, dressed up in fancy clothes.
(DIR) Post #ARgF2PyyAmKwtg3gXo by hammancheez@c.im
2023-01-15T15:12:20Z
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@JamesGleick I don’t know why “humans need to be compensated for and incentivized to create art” is so controversial tbh
(DIR) Post #ARgF2QToK70URKUJcG by laserlotus@mastodon.social
2023-01-15T15:21:30Z
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@hammancheez @JamesGleick The last thing the world needs is more art made by people who are only in it for the money. The only art we need is the art that is being made without regard for 'profitability'. Everything else is as culturally valuable as advertising.
(DIR) Post #ARgF3FIDOz2E28SH7g by hammancheez@c.im
2023-01-15T15:28:35Z
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@laserlotus @JamesGleick oh piss off. People need to eat
(DIR) Post #ARgF3Fino8InMatVZ2 by laserlotus@mastodon.social
2023-01-15T16:14:56Z
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@hammancheez @JamesGleick of course they do. Maybe if we created a society where people's basic needs were met more people could make art for the sake of making art (good) instead of making art for the sake of selling things (bad).A better society with better art, it's a win / win.
(DIR) Post #ARgF4fqIB0a6fJ4jSK by mmasnick@mastodon.social
2023-01-15T16:46:04Z
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@JamesGleick @osma @jameslove @TedUnderwood @toondoctor @jeffjarvis Your claim is that the Internet Archive is lying in how they say the Open Library is run? Because they have always said that the lending is based on keeping the corresponding physical book on the shelf