Post ARfWxHXFktZ5GfppEO by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
(DIR) More posts by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
(DIR) Post #ARfOHGzaaJ5LmvXwmm by elizabethveldon@mastodon.scot
2023-01-15T11:39:14Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kravietz @bonifartius once more for the people in the back
(DIR) Post #ARfOHHP73PVB45UKZM by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T12:04:35Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@elizabethveldon @kravietz so the west adopted these methods, interesting!
(DIR) Post #ARfPK0GLLFwQizFUXo by elizabethveldon@mastodon.scot
2023-01-15T12:16:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@bonifartius @kravietz what are you blabbering on about?
(DIR) Post #ARfRbMUY9CikUxIaR6 by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T12:41:55Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@elizabethveldon well, if you ask this nicely: it is in part about the stockholm syndrome you seem to have regarding western governments - they have given you so much, how could they possibly be evil.@kravietz
(DIR) Post #ARfSxKOWj1DWJqWHp2 by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T12:56:35Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
they're liars and criminals. what did you expect?the positive thing is that their "blocking" the Internet sites does not work. they have already "blocked" a half of it, but people visit all the "blocked" sites and this is not a problem. the network technologies are preventing the bunch of criminals from usurping the right for information access.
(DIR) Post #ARfWeNLhupwnnTQ3WK by andiias@mstdn.social
2023-01-15T11:34:16Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@kravietz @bonifartius This is entirely the Soviet understanding of "truth" - contingent on daily interpretation by the authorities, and it's incredibly hard for Westerners to get their heads round it. I imagine the last thirty years of a "globalisation of truth" has also made us grow unaccustomed to the fact that this way of distorting reality is even possible.
(DIR) Post #ARfWxHXFktZ5GfppEO by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-01-15T13:41:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@elizabethveldon @bonifartius @kravietz Probably something along these lines:https://reclaimthenet.org/the-white-houses-social-media-censorship-demands/https://reclaimthenet.org/adam-schiffs-staffers-asked-twitter-to-censor-memes/https://reclaimthenet.org/former-twitter-officials-are-called-to-testify-on-their-censorship/
(DIR) Post #ARfXiNmSLyjsFPPCKG by cpay@mastodon.online
2023-01-15T13:08:43Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@andiias @kravietz @bonifartius Perhaps, but there are other ways of distorting the truth that work depressingly well in countries with press freedoms. Rupert Murdoch's empire comes to mind.
(DIR) Post #ARfXiORDuPLgHqTkrw by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T13:50:25Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@cpay just look at what any public broadcasting service in the free & democratic west chose to report or not report on. and like you wrote: same goes for most private media, they are all owned by a handful of conglomerates which will happily oblige with the government if the money flow isn't interrupted.@andiias @kravietz
(DIR) Post #ARfY4niyZjrv58T2si by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T13:54:29Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Hyolobrika and those are just recent examples. look at what happened to assange, snowden, chelsea manning, etc.throw some social security and healthcare at people, virtue signal a bit and they are listening to your every command. as if the population has to be grateful to actually get something in return for their money.@elizabethveldon @kravietz
(DIR) Post #ARfelb0YKXWHorTiC0 by andiias@mstdn.social
2023-01-15T15:09:26Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@bonifartius @cpay @kravietz I think it goes beyond just selective reporting. It is lying to you in the face of you seeing that very reality and insisting that you agree with the lie. Theodore Dalrymple describes it this way: "When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity..."
(DIR) Post #ARfhLVtd0qIgIbUgRk by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T15:34:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
you donàt understand the life in Russia. nobody and never in Russia trusted governments, or tsar, or somewhat "authorities". for many centuries. people do not take their workds for anything. this ia long lasting tradition and those who thibk that Russians listen to that lies are just fools.
(DIR) Post #ARfpFncezcgfAjLMIa by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T17:06:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kravietz funny how you picked the only one who managed to escape the henchmen.so, in your opinion it's good what has happened to assange, manning, others not known, just because they weren't shot or the likes. weird take but whatever floats your boat.@Hyolobrika @elizabethveldon
(DIR) Post #ARfs0rlDcpQtWaux7Y by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T17:36:45Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
publicly - yes. very possible. because saying what they think may threaten to their lives. Europeans don't understand how it it like to live in a hostile place where government hunts down people without any reasons, just if they want this, where there's no law or justice, no presumption of innocence and everybody is guilty by default. where police and officials mean menace and threat, not defence.
(DIR) Post #ARfsFHNNBVYd1WdX4S by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T17:37:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
and even little kids know that they should not trust anybody and should not say anything to unknown people.
(DIR) Post #ARft6O2J9WLn1n6hv6 by andiias@mstdn.social
2023-01-15T16:49:27Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bugI wasn't thinking of trust so much, and you're right: Russia is a famously low-trust society. I was thinking of a willingness to be deceived and then parrot that deception. That's enough for this kind of manipulation to succeed and that's what's difficult for Westerners to understand, who are trained to see the quest for truth as the ultimate goal of all thought. @kravietz@cpay @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #ARft6OmOOBDJKifVke by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T17:49:07Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
it's not low-trust. it's no-trust society. historically. too many tyrants in governments, for many many centuries next. different tsars, than bloody communists, than thievish pseudo-democrates, then putler the fascist and his digusting gang robbbed and murdered people. so people don't trust any regime, whatever they call themselves. whatever they say and whatever they promise. people won't trust them and won;t support them. Russia has the strongest and the most developed underground life, it's a place where all arts and literature were forbidden and always persecuted. but people survived and saved their culture, like partisans on their own land they resisted numerous occupiers. and it's natural to don't trust anybody over here. everybody can be a traitor and agent of FSB. so people never say what they think in public.
(DIR) Post #ARft6Pjaq4ZKIKMn1k by andiias@mstdn.social
2023-01-15T16:50:56Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bugI give you a small example: a Ukrainian friend of mine was working in Moscow last February. On the morning of the 24th, his Russian colleagues came up to him and apologised. But one week later they came back to him and said that Russia was right to invade. They knew the truth, but they chose to parrot the official line. What they believed "in their hearts" is irrelevant from that point. @kravietz @cpay @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #ARftPcKcE9GCrkq9wm by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T17:51:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
it's nothing. Russian citizens are more than 140 millions. your "little example" is nothing.
(DIR) Post #ARftzszRlhdyxNEVgu by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T17:58:56Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I banned many people here after the war began because they turned into mad shauvinists, nazis and posted really shitty things, offending whole nation and all Russian people. this is not what has to be tolerated. and Russia is not a land of tolerance: living with no trust does not helps tolerance to hypocrisy and populism. too many people sell out bones now, to gain popularity. I see these scum and don't let them spread their lies and propaaganda.
(DIR) Post #ARfuFWWF5Cdjth1sq8 by andiias@mstdn.social
2023-01-15T17:55:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bugYou understand what example means, don't you ... :0140: @kravietz @cpay @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #ARfuFX3v3zZva8mmKe by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T18:01:47Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
and one more detail: living here for 45 years I haven't ever seen a real person supporting putler. no one. just a fact.
(DIR) Post #ARfutMEajy9TaDlfFY by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-15T18:09:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I don't thuink Europeans can understand this. over here people don't percept government as anything really authority, or respectful or something like this. they consider them enemies and occupiers and try to avoid any interactions with it, keeping out. we don't rely on autorities. and politics is considered as dirty and disgraceful thing. nobody who respects themselves wants to get there. people in government are considered thieves and criminals by default.
(DIR) Post #ARfwe8LsGz905l2hu4 by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T18:29:35Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kravietz so what happens to people has to be equal to or worse than what happens in russia to qualify as terror? @Hyolobrika @elizabethveldon
(DIR) Post #ARg5WxN5bB2hb5GOe0 by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T20:09:15Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kravietz i'm not sure if it's concerning or funny that you speak of magnitudes and metrics in this context, but i'm weird in this regard :)@Hyolobrika @elizabethveldon
(DIR) Post #ARgFJycGesF5EcoQqm by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-01-15T21:58:57Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kravietz @elizabethveldon @bonifartius I don't think he did say that the West is the same as Russia.But he does seem to be inconsistent with what he is saying.
(DIR) Post #ARgJR5yq4pTvuy1ITw by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-15T22:45:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Hyolobrika either you think it's ok to abuse people for saying the wrong things or you think it isn't. neither the number of abused people nor the difference between long term solitary confinement and falling out of russian windows matters. either you have a corrupt regime or you don't.@kravietz @elizabethveldon
(DIR) Post #ARgQWKPgXfjZoA1G4m by cpay@mastodon.online
2023-01-15T23:44:51Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bug @bonifartius @kravietz @andiias Iron Bug, you're correct that I don't understand Russian life. Living under the Putin regime sounds horrific. Torture, imprisonment, and death seem to be real possibilities for protesting. 1/3
(DIR) Post #ARgQWL0uJHVZfbQz5s by cpay@mastodon.online
2023-01-15T23:45:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bug @bonifartius @kravietz @andiias Still, America has major problems, too. Some politicians, including Trump, want us to be more like Russia. Some people think we should simply accept the end of the world instead of facing climate change. Trump's lawyer asserted that "truth isn't truth." One of his top advisors made a case for "alternative facts." Violence and threats against politicians have increased tremendously since Trump came on the scene. 2/3
(DIR) Post #ARgQWLTcaWTd6eruqm by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T00:03:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
problems? kids, you haven't ever seen problems. thank goodness and bless the capitalism and democracy you have. do not let them kill them for any bullshit ever to avoid living in hell like here.
(DIR) Post #ARgQWPBKoSE4b6LMu0 by cpay@mastodon.online
2023-01-15T23:46:23Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bug @bonifartius @kravietz @andiias Trump’s "big lie" about the "fraudulent" election was an essential element of his attempted coup, and he came uncomfortably close to succeeding.Words matter here, too. 3/3
(DIR) Post #ARh7SB8xMSGHveSj6O by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-01-16T08:05:30Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@kravietz we aren't talking about crimes done by citizens but by the state which is defacto extralegal anywhere.@Hyolobrika @elizabethveldon
(DIR) Post #ARhYi5dSIzXGF2XVuy by Hyolobrika@berserker.town
2023-01-16T13:10:58Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@bonifartius @kravietz @elizabethveldon Not true. Tyranny and corruption, like most things, exist on a spectrum. You can have more or less of it. But of course any amount is bad.As far as I can see, kravietz isn't trying to justify or deny the tyranny in the West.
(DIR) Post #ARhkeRoD7cItIqbFTc by erabo@friendica.erabo.de
2023-01-16T13:16:10Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bug@bonifartius@kravietz@andiias@cpayYes i think so, not many real problems exists in europe compared with the russian world you decribed and in fact it's not easy to put yourself mentally in this position.The drastical differences in the relation between the (governmental) authorities and the normal people i think could be very well explained by an example from germany:Every german has to have a passport or a personal ID card respectively (if he is older than 16).But he does not need to carry it always around. If a police asks one about who he is, the police has first of all to believe, what the person tells him is true. If there is a reason to the police to not believe the person, the police may ask the person to deliver the id card, for example by going to home with him or the like.A german would see it as a great problem if a police would try to sanction him because he actually does not carry this paper with.Many of the problems may like this not real problems in a nearly real problem free society compared to a society as described here for russia.
(DIR) Post #ARhkeSQUpGvdDaVp9U by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T15:23:06Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
and you definitely don't have 8 years of imprisonment for a post in the Internet where you call the war "war" or for one person picket with a flyer "I stand for pieace", or things like that.
(DIR) Post #ARhktiiyVpo46qQwIC by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T15:26:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
a deputy that asked for a minute of silence in memory of murdered Urkainian citizens got 12 years in prison, if I remember it correctly.
(DIR) Post #ARhlFRdCkEYRT15qoC by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T15:30:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
another deputy for mentioning the war crimes and fascist tortures of people in Bucha on his youtube channel got 9 years of inprisonment.
(DIR) Post #ARhlo2022Ek26gGM3E by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T15:36:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
and even a women that stood in single person flyer with text "I love my Daddy!" was captured, incriminated with °discreditation of Russian army° and fined for a significant sum.you barely can imagine the madness and the depth of depravity of putler's occupational regime. they're far beyond any reasons and/or common sense.
(DIR) Post #ARhmaPJudHb6Knd4u8 by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T15:46:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
thigs like "no war, all peace", "I love my Daddy" and many others are considered "criminal" in perverted putler's dystopian reality. and we have to survive in this absolutely impossible, abnormal environment. the creatures (I cannot name them humans) that seized the power in Russia are absolutely mad, unscrupulous, deeply depraved, perverted and blood-thirsty. they're criminals and very dangerous ones.
(DIR) Post #ARhmqoF7jp3CGSD78S by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T15:49:01Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I don't even mention totally destroyed economics, 80% of people beyond the poverty level and so on, and so on. the fascism is the worst thing among these numerous negative consequences of pulter's reign.
(DIR) Post #ARhoiyucNzXowj0whU by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T16:09:36Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
and with all that fascist aggression and war the regime is absolutely paranoid. some school kids that played a FSB building blast in some stupid PC game were claimed "the threat to the government" and inprisoned. as well as a few students that played in strikeball were claimed an "organized plot for throwing up the regime" and inprisoned. and even an old woman was incriminated "attacking and nearly killing two polcemen" with... a common pen, the women got years in prison. the regime is paranoid. is's absolutely mad, afraid of kids, students, old women, common citizens. this is impossible to describe. this is beyond the normal human logic.
(DIR) Post #ARi0S4RDmpmEbxy0YK by erabo@friendica.erabo.de
2023-01-16T17:30:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@iron_bug@bonifartius@kravietz@andiias@cpayAnd to finish the contrasting from my side i will define, what the sanctioning i mentioned above resulting in a problem "cry" would be than in gemany: It would be a regulatory offense with something arround 10€ and the police would normaly not be allowed to take the money by itself directly but only to hand out a papern demand.After school i was in compulsory military service, which was this time active. I liked to provoke the superiors a little. And one morning I came out for the exercise and had scratched the peace sign on the front of the helmet in the olive green of the helmet. The officer noticed this immediately and snapped at me to remove it. I then remarked that this is the peace sign and that the Bundeswehr is a peace army. There was a little discussion ending with the harsh order I should shut up and go out to the exercise. That was it, I neither had to remove the sign nor did I get any childish "punishment".Well, I think that should make the contrast even clearer as a background to the way the things work in Russia drawn here.
(DIR) Post #ARi0S58pAiegnCMpW4 by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T18:19:10Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I'm afraid European leaders don't realize what a mad maniac they deal with. they imagine a leader of a country. but it is not. it is a creature of lower level, something really creepy and disgusting. which has no logic, no reasoning, no human consciousness. and this creeature poses a real threat to the world.
(DIR) Post #ARi0oub6XX2qkfTtY0 by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T18:24:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
it's like an insect that devours everything it can reach out.
(DIR) Post #ARi1NSphl9SkmEmngm by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2023-01-16T18:31:38Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
and actually the militarism never cultivated before pulter. in USSR the education was based on principles of peace and the country was posed an non-agressive (which wasn't the truth, sometimes, but at least kids were taught so). and now all the generations of soviet people have a strong ambivalence towards the fascist agression in Ukraine. it's a spint in the face to all veterans that fought against fascism in WWII and it breaks all the ideals people were taught from the very childhood. and this causes the deep repulsion to putler's actions among the most people of our country. he violated the rules that are natural for any human being: not killing other humans. and this cannot be overcome with any propaganda, whatever they may lie. this is the deep conflict between the society and the militasistic fascism of occupational government.