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(DIR) Post #ARSrceqIbqyeYJE0lU by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-08T19:09:03.477271Z
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That has nothing to do with the data you sent. The two weeks in the data you sent is talking about the last two weeks of the year. You’re now talking about direct vaccine deaths which do mostly happen within two weeks. Another thing to keep in mind is that even if that 30k figure is right and isn’t you misunderstanding data again, the US has over 200 million people who were fully vaxxed, which means less than 0.001% of vaxxed died from the vaccine.
(DIR) Post #ARSrcfHwx35xw4A5rc by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-08T20:26:23Z
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@zack yeah but there is well known VAERS data always is 10% under reported. Meaning not all people who experience an adverse reaction reported it.And those who died from it I guess it's hard for them to talk from obvious reasons so we will never know, unless we will have stats about mortality rate from that time frame when vax was rolled in.Adverse events I think are in millions1.494.382 meaning roughly 1 in 134 people had an adverse reaction including death 'flavor'.And 1 in 5975, died.You would drink from one glass out of a 5975 pile of glasses knowing among those there is one that can kill you?No airline would get approval with these results if kills 1 passengers after safely transported 5975.I won't travel with such airlinehttps://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=AGE&EVENTS=ON&VAX[]=COVID19&VAX[]=COVID19-2&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&DIED=No
(DIR) Post #ARSrcffhWk5t7jH3su by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-08T21:10:43.354619Z
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We’re getting so far out in the weeds now. You keep jumping to a new thing whenever I offer a response. We’ve already established that the vaccine significantly lowers chances of hospitalization and death (using data you provided). We’ve also established that while 30k sounds like a lot, at the scale we’re talking about it’s insignificant. And now you’re saying that while it seems like you’re ten times more likely to die from COVID just in the difference from the first and second dose that a less than 1% chance of side effects is now a major concern. Did you even bother to look into the chances long term side effects of COVID? It’s 10%. Again, the chances of getting COVID are basically 100%. Now, the vaccine doesn’t remove any and all chances of death or long term effects, but it reduces both by enough that it far outstrips the risk of just getting the shot for basically any adult who isn’t allergic or something.
(DIR) Post #ARSrcgWWMMLRlXzFDM by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-08T21:38:10Z
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@zack No proofs start piling up to the roof on the contraryI know 4 persons here, one that died suddenly in his home the other two, one lost her hair another had to perform surgery and a very older dude went to hospital. Another guy not so old died presumably from coof, but it's highly likely he get the vax somewhere at the beginning of march 2021Vaccines are a catastrophe in general and, they changed the technology cos it gives huge side effects so they tried this that self replicates so the immune reaction would be stronger.Well maybe is stronger but side effects instead of diminishing they simply exploded. Only time will tell if I'm overly exacerbating the vax catastrophe but if and only if we have the mortality rate statistics and let's hope those numbers aren't gonna be forged.
(DIR) Post #ARSrcgvKs6C70Vb3tQ by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-08T22:10:00.997834Z
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Okay, so let me get this right. Vaccines are bad and if any proof comes out saying they aren’t bad it’s probably forged because of your sample size of 4.Time has already told, the COVID vaccines have been out for years. The data is pretty clear on how effective they were, you just refuse to believe it. Give me a specific period of time that you think would show whether or not they were worth it, given that pretty much all the data collected so far points in its favor.
(DIR) Post #ARSrchP75O0uUrWqJ6 by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-08T23:21:48Z
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@zack vax 'are safe and effective' because guys that died from them do not have a mouth any longer to tell what they think happened wrong with them.But can you answer, why if vaxines are safe and effective, why they changed the technology? What was the reason they changed it since vaccines were already the perfect sauce of science that money can buy? And if those are so safe why they don't vax us daily thru the food, beverages or inhaling some puff thru the nose like a perfume. They don't ask us if we want nitrite or not into our salami..Why they ask us in case of a vaxxine?As my non expert opinion boosting people immunity the way they try it with vaxxines is as stupid as adding more blood into a body or pulling someone from its hair to be taller. Or adding 2 or 3 more legs pairs so they he can run faster 😬 Immune system is not something we can screw with like it's a Chucky dollWhen a gov kills allegedly 34k people wouldn't they want to cover their traces forging things up? I'm just wondering :thinkin: Another aspect. Some tv channels show how vaxxines hurt people and even killed people. In your opinion those channels are conspiracists? And why they would wanna lie? And if those are lying, how can we know the other tv channels that don't mention adverse reactions don't lie but in reverse?
(DIR) Post #ARSrchwR5UfWAD7SFM by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-08T23:31:20.760015Z
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So exactly like I said. No evidence is good enough, you’ve already made your mind up. I see the pattern.
(DIR) Post #ARSrcivlPTj1EPoQq0 by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-08T23:48:30Z
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@zackThe guys that changed things have to show up evidences mRna's are better and precisely in which way? Not killing people is not good enough evidence.So why?They have to produce evidences. When sell a car or a phone you show wt heck that is better and in which way. Why can't we have something like this in vax world?
(DIR) Post #ARSrcjO7i2PUeN552e by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-09T00:15:43.067789Z
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Tell me, have you read anything I’ve said up to this point?
(DIR) Post #ARSrcjkSN0H5ldWuqu by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-09T10:55:07Z
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@zack yeah, you said about the data from Australia not being concludent. And the fact that older guys are more prone to die because of the age and because they are vaxed. Because the % of pop. being more vaxed than non vaxed of course those that die are vaxed older guys
(DIR) Post #ARSrck8CwhH0xIdssC by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-01-09T11:02:12.716629Z
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@2T2 @zack "vax" is not a vax sirs is a mrna shot very different thing
(DIR) Post #ARTgpWouqJwV6ATM80 by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-09T12:03:47Z
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@dc @zack yeah man, but why they changed the principle of action of the vax? When someone changes something they must have admitted the older one was not good enough. And so the question is. What exactly the new school vax does better than the old school vax that made them change the tech.
(DIR) Post #ARTgpXHd7YuYXDuHsu by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-09T14:59:52.946962Z
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The thing it does better, is it has faster development times and doesn’t require a sample of the virus for every shot. Otherwise it’s pretty similar to traditional vaccines in safety and might even be better in effectiveness. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35412612/The information is there if you aren’t willfully ignoring it.
(DIR) Post #ARTgpXw2hJEmYYoYsK by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-09T20:20:59Z
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@zack @dc Yep found more kinder surprisesVE (vaxine effectiveness) is higher for moderna which we already saw, has more adverse reactions
(DIR) Post #ARTgpYO31BdfxPuvWi by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-09T20:30:19Z
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@zack @dc It means moderna saved more from coof but in the same time moderna has higher adverse reactionsWhy anyone would be happy to be in hospital for an adverse reaction and not for coof.The whole idea is not to be in the hospital at all
(DIR) Post #ARVSYaX2mNsqe43qOu by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-10T01:22:19.275745Z
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am I talking to a goldfish? we’ve already gone over rates of long term complications from Covid when compared to the odds of any side effects from the vaccine. it looks good for the vaccine. in fact even if you look at the populations with the lowest mortality rates, the odds of side effects from the vaccine are in a similar order of magnitude to the odds of death from the coof - and long coof is many times more common than death is.everything you say convinces me further that you just want to believe that the vaccines aren’t effective - like you’re in too deep and just don’t want to eat crow. I want to believe you’re smart enough that you’re just being obstinate and not actually stupid, but you’re making it hard.
(DIR) Post #ARVSYaxdBX9PyWV4qG by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-10T06:25:02Z
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@zack vaxines are effective but with a high price/toll.We don't care they are effective with such a huge price.Same with a car it may be performant and fast but if sucks gas 35% it's a disasterAlready asked you if you would travel with an airline that kills 1 in 5975 of its passengers? Maybe you would travel with such a crap airline but I wont. It means the vaxine is good enough for you but you can't afford to talk on others behalf, that's why before receiving a dose they had to sign.
(DIR) Post #ARVSYbPdVPYJNNbRUe by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-10T14:23:19.919418Z
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Do you exercise? If so, why? I only ask because it’s clearly dangerous, you can get all kinds of injuries working out. I think it’s weird that they never mention injuries when comparing health of people who do work out to people who don’t. Plus it takes up so much time.Working out is effective but with a high price/toll. We don’t care if it’s effective with such a huge price.
(DIR) Post #ARVSYbqZtF6SiwCxUG by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-10T15:51:31Z
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@zack No man that's a pretty bad association of ideas. Exercises don't put people in hospitals unless they are stupid enough to double down on their health status and resistance and make too much effort.But yeah it's well known that people who make too much exercises/effort wears their overall health level and eventually die faster than others that just preserve more their stamina. Moderate exercises or even lower than that, I think is the key for better longevity.
(DIR) Post #ARVSYcM7zwLAImy9fE by dc@pl.starnix.network
2023-01-10T17:05:27.390138Z
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@2T2 @zack you dont increase longevity not working out. if you work out to much with no breaks thats a problem because your not leting your body rest but if you have right form when working out you wont get hurt.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjLwAbi7KCSd2A4 by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-10T17:35:49.697204Z
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“That’s a pretty bad association.” Exactly my point.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjMeTwxYwPtMQEK by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-10T18:12:15Z
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@zackMaybe yours is bad, but mine is not.You really like to gamble aren't you?
(DIR) Post #ARcwjN68I9gFneIVKS by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-10T19:20:59.844446Z
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The risk of dying from Covid is 0.2% minimum for adults and climbs substantially as people get older. The odds of you dying from the vaccine - according to stats you provided by the way - are less than 0.00016%. You already conceded effectiveness, so explain how those odds look bad.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjNWMicfF70ZSDY by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-10T21:04:32Z
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@zack you have to change it a bit cos are 10% under reported casualtiespeople that died, 'usually' can't speak, it's scientifically proven.. 😏 Could be other reasons friends did not reported as they weren't aware in fact was an adverse eventThe only reasonable way of evaluating the 'performance' of the 'wax' is comparing average death rate /1000 or /10k before pandemic, during pandemic and after waxxines started to be rick-rolled in..If those figures/numbers/percentages doesn't show any spectacular changes it means waxinnes aren't that deadly but still doesn't mean they did not have bad impact on health. It's bad but not enough to kill at least at statistical birds eye view level..
(DIR) Post #ARcwjNvtBj54OAVq08 by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-10T21:07:18.630078Z
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0.00016% is so small that it doesn’t even register as a proper fraction over 1000 people. Where did you learn math?
(DIR) Post #ARcwjOM7cC43hWmmtE by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-10T21:09:04Z
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@zack You just made huge mistake and ask me?You need to make your homework better. Can't and I won't make your homework
(DIR) Post #ARcwjOmM2f330t3jmK by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-10T21:12:10.970325Z
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Sounds like you’re full of shit and trying to hide it. If you had a point you’d have made it by now.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjPK21RzEhKodGq by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-10T21:13:39Z
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@zack you are already playing in offside for some 2 or 3 replies back and now you mention it again lol
(DIR) Post #ARcwjPkyPHXO2tQ9GS by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-10T21:24:10.316987Z
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You’d need to be either delusional or retarded to believe that.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjQA8thfdIxCFUm by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-11T06:10:07Z
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@zack you're a brain dead amoeba who can't math and I'm not gonna teach you shitgo back to school or suck a dildoChange your hamburger brain for a cheeseburger, who knows eventually you gonna make itIf your a potato why the heck you don't stay in your potato realm?Don't come into anyone's feedback with your freshly newborn hot spaghetti gummy bear mindNow get lost till I'm not getting you blockedTake your vaxxines from hell and shove them up your butthole in bulk, you'll gonna be 100% safe 100% effectively imbecile forever. Good luck
(DIR) Post #ARcwjQYxPRWIXuo4Aq by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-11T06:17:38.703256Z
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You sound like a totally rational person. Thanks for conceding the entire argument, when I make a statement about a BASIC statistical phenomena and you go on with some screed a retard would put together - it really raises my confidence that you don’t know anything about math, stats, or science OR if I’m being INCREDIBLY generous I could think that you’re just so absorbed into motivated reason that you’ve lost whatever skills you think you have. If you think I’m misusing the math you need to EXPLAIN YOURSELF IDIOT. You’re the one who claims in his profile that he’s an expert in probabilities, well then expert: school me. DO IT I DARE YOU.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjT3s7TRAINHmdc by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-11T06:30:20Z
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@zack Are you really that imbecile to not understand I don't give any fuck what the hell you think about me, math or anything elseYou're simply blocked in denial cos that's what you want not what it is. There's a differenceDon't torture yourself with math, go toward, I don't know, cleaning dogs cages, lifting potato bags , etc things that are very useful than, you counting any shit.If you can't see your mistake lol how the hell you can count properly any shit, you can't, you're not up for the job. Now stay the fuck away, keep it civil or I'll block the hell out o youLast warning
(DIR) Post #ARcwjThviXToIc1m4m by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-11T06:44:08.169551Z
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You blew up way more than I did. But yes, you do need to actually explain the supposed math errors if you want me to respect your reasoning. If you’re just going to sit there insulting me - I’m going to assume you’ve realized you don’t have an argument and have given up and want a shouting match. So please, pretty please with a cherry on top actually explain this arcane reasoning that you’ve apparently been dancing around this whole time with regards to the math.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjU7oAKBDas8RPc by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-11T06:52:59Z
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@zack ok, i'm gonna tell youbut i'm gonna give you 3 more days to find where your problem is
(DIR) Post #ARcwjUVClKtYlR57se by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-11T07:08:17.754977Z
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If it isn’t the efficacy of the vaccine, then I’m not sure what you’re seeing. Efficacy here meaning: the amount the vaccine reduces odds of death, long term health effects, and hospitalizations from COVID.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjUsbMLbtw01oLg by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-11T07:48:10Z
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@zack you'll have to wait 3 days and I'm gonna break it down for you exactly what you missed and why is fundamentally so important.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjVKxeuINLxISYK by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-11T14:22:47.788905Z
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This better not be a shaggy dog.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjVlC5NHMfJZPRQ by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-14T07:24:06Z
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@zack You can see with your eyes here for the second time you made mistake. I'm talking about overall mortality from those mentioned time frames and you talk about mortality rate obtained from VAERS which obviously are totally different figuresBut the overall mortality rate has to be checked cos some cases are under-reported Also how the heck a 1/5975 not gonna be caught in 1/10000 mortality rate are you kidding? It gonna have roughly 1.673 extra figure on the overall mortality rateso if mortality rate it's 10/10000 pre shots, post shots will be expected 11.67/10000 and that ma burrito fren can be seen from the MoonBut again best method is to check the overall mortality rate and compare numbers before/during/after pandemic
(DIR) Post #ARcwjWHS9R5EHMfAiu by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-14T07:27:07.699867Z
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Overall mortality rate will necessarily be higher because of the new disease. Not to mention all the other effects that came along with lockdowns like weight gain and depression.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjWkAQg3HiQ66To by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-14T07:33:10Z
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@zack yeah bigger from the disease but a little lower after 200 mil vax were rick-rolled in
(DIR) Post #ARcwjXDafHaVBfrbLE by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-14T07:34:14.220406Z
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Maybe you should rephrase that, I don’t think you’re saying what you mean to say.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjXiQocG2jKIEPg by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-14T07:37:21Z
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@zack it has to be lower if vaxines were safe and effective don't you think?if mortality rate is not lower after rolling 200mil vaxes than before rolling them it means vaxxines worsen the situation and not attenuate it
(DIR) Post #ARcwjYEgsg3uLNNzhA by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-14T07:43:20.430170Z
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Yes and no, people gained 25 lbs on average over the course of the lockdowns in the US - a country that already has high rates of obesity. You’d expect mortality from ailments where obesity is a risk factor - basically everything.
(DIR) Post #ARcwjYrgXhFoIJd8TY by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-01-14T07:46:29.531778Z
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@zack @2T2 This one is news to me - and it would be an interesting explanation for this phenomenon. Could you point me to the study that suggests this? (I can believe you are not lying when you say that, but even so there's a few things to look into even if it is true.)
(DIR) Post #ARcxJRN7sVrjTrReFc by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-14T07:49:58.746397Z
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Not a scientific article but it does refer to one: https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/pandemic-weight-gain-not-your-imagination
(DIR) Post #ARcxJRsK0Wor2c2YsK by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-01-14T07:53:07.662238Z
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@zack @2T2 February-June 2020 was the peak of the lockdown, and before anyone really figured out how to do things like exercise during lockdown times.I doubt that this trend persisted too far outside of the measured timeframe.
(DIR) Post #ARcxrKHmjMyFLi6Y7M by zack@stereophonic.space
2023-01-14T07:54:55.389211Z
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From a quick search: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1257041/average-weight-gain-reported-by-us-adults-during-the-covid-pandemic/
(DIR) Post #ARcxrKsIXcB5AxBi1w by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-01-14T07:59:13.071596Z
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@zack @2T2 Oh, that trend *didn't* persist as measured - it got *worse*.This is worth note, and you're right to bring this up in this conversation.
(DIR) Post #ARcyjMaOOYMm7WZiDY by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-14T08:04:08Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @zack maybe it had an impact but it doesn't come close to the coof figuresWe have to take into consideration that while on lockdown car crashes and other hazardous events were at their all time minimum
(DIR) Post #ARcyjN5wVFbThNKuOW by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-01-14T08:08:55.314176Z
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@2T2 @zack An average of 25 pounds of weight gain is, for the average American, the difference between being "a bit overweight" and "obese."Now, there's reason to question this type of statistic - it's not clear how that weight is distributed among people, so the heaviest may have just gotten far heavier - but it's definitely a question to ask.
(DIR) Post #ARcyoiSOVTElOrO0qO by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-01-14T08:09:59.531478Z
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@2T2 @zack If it's distributed evenly then the health risk may explain a lot of adverse effects. If it happens to be distributed among the people most likely to get the shot, then that's definitely going to explain a lot.
(DIR) Post #ARdoAl7sMJzBi93bsW by 2T2@mstdn.starnix.network
2023-01-14T08:20:55Z
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@ceo_of_monoeye_dating @zack I don't think those heaviest become heavier.Those already stayed most of the time indoors and their life changed little to none from the food point of view
(DIR) Post #ARdoHinFQkAkVGjEhc by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-01-14T17:46:41.743831Z
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@2T2 @zack That makes sense, but "Americans on average gained 25 pounds or more over this one kinda short time period" is an abnormal scenario to start with, so we should absolutely be entertaining abnormal explanations for it.