Post ARUOX19AGFfZdTvYGm by the_roamer@mastodonapp.uk
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(DIR) Post #ARM1okuhqD4MDjm4FU by seldo@alpaca.gold
2023-01-06T02:20:40Z
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I keep getting confused as to why people are acting all confused about how Mastodon works. It works like Twitter used to work! And then I realize: Twitter hasn't worked like this for 10+ years, a lot of people don't remember when Twitter was like Mastodon is now.
(DIR) Post #ARMQVGQDTxqX0JJc2K by zleap@qoto.org
2023-01-06T08:30:06Z
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@seldo I get the impression a lot of people don't understand computers or networking very well, Or perhaps they are told it is complex so they are less confident understanding it.It is about how we explain things, one way would be to say imagine you can post to Twitter and get a reply from Facebook, or vice versa, now expand that to posting to youtube and replying from twitter all of this happens seemlessly.
(DIR) Post #ARUOWwxJqLokdaM2Fc by scott@carfree.city
2023-01-06T03:54:59Z
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@seldo @mekkaokereke What's wild to me is all the advice to newbies that faving a post *only* notifies the author you like it and doesn't also promote the post.I've been using Twitter likes wrong, I guess. I just wanted to tell people I liked their posts! Now I'm wondering how many people unfollowed me because my likes were annoying, something I hadn't been thinking about at all.
(DIR) Post #ARUOWxTZuPccFdRnX6 by webuiltthiscity@sutrofan.com
2023-01-06T04:34:05Z
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@scott @seldo @mekkaokereke I’m still confused about what liking a post does beyond just telling the author you liked their post, but maybe I never actually understood twitter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(DIR) Post #ARUOWy1FtCYnw5Ch1c by the_roamer@mastodonapp.uk
2023-01-08T05:12:35Z
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@webuiltthiscity @scott @seldo @mekkaokereke There was an insightful post on this very topic just yesterday, by @clacke If I Like a post, the primary effect is to send a friendly message to the author: "good work, please continue". I like to Like!But my Like also has a subtle material impact on the spread of the Liked post. My Like makes every server that hosts one of my followers register the Liked post, adding a tiny bit of extra visibility to the post. See: https://libranet.de/display/0b6b25a8-1863-b903-4c9d-154868251325
(DIR) Post #ARUOWycpdUcNocmhay by scott@carfree.city
2023-01-08T05:17:15Z
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@the_roamer @webuiltthiscity @seldo @mekkaokereke @clacke Hmm, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's incorrect.At least for Mastodon servers. The post you are linking to is on a Pleroma server; maybe that works differently.Mastodon, I am pretty sure, does not broadcast your favorites to your followers in any way.
(DIR) Post #ARUOWz4pxN1HDTt4FM by the_roamer@mastodonapp.uk
2023-01-08T05:36:06Z
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EDITED@scott @webuiltthiscity @seldo @mekkaokereke @clacke Interesting. Not an expert myself, perhaps @clacke can comment?Yes, Likes are not publicly broadcast. But I think what clacke in his post says is that a Like sometimes leads to greater visibility of a Liked post across federated servers (the Like itself is hidden). EDIT (9 Jan): NO, such impact does not exist if the servers follow Mastodon protocols. As you suggest, scott, there may be an impact in non-standard variants.
(DIR) Post #ARUOWzc9xTfsspTgBc by the_roamer@mastodonapp.uk
2023-01-08T10:13:17Z
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@scott @webuiltthiscity @seldo @mekkaokereke Hi, @scott and @clacke I've tried to write down a case to check out how the impact of a Like might work out. I probably got it all wrong! And admittedly it isn't an issue that will make a difference on my actual use of "Likes" --- I love using them generously, regardless of their visibility impact. Still, in case you have the time, here's the link to my example:https://mastodonapp.uk/@the_roamer/109652742398972413
(DIR) Post #ARUOX04AHM4mHga2q0 by the_roamer@mastodonapp.uk
2023-01-09T11:38:20Z
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@scott @webuiltthiscity @seldo @mekkaokereke @clacke Hello, all. I have now updated and corrected yesterday's thread on "Likes". It turns out that within standard Mastodon protocols, Liking a post will not alter the visibility of that post. Under no circumstances. Likes could have this kind of impact, but only under modified server-server protocols, not in standard Mastodon. Won't be posting on technical network matters anytime soon! :-)
(DIR) Post #ARUOX0UkgVLLc91HHM by clacke@libranet.de
2023-01-10T00:25:46Z
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@the_roamer @mekkaokereke @webuiltthiscity @scott @seldo Please don't use the word "standard" about Mastodon's behavior. Mastodon is the biggest player on the network and could be called "normal", but the actual standard says nothing about treating Like events differently.In https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#client-to-server-interactions the standard arbitrarily uses a Like activity as the example, addressed to all followers, and then says "MUST utilize the addressing originally stored on the bto / bcc properties for determining recipients in delivery", implying that this activity is subject to normal delivery.
(DIR) Post #ARUOX19AGFfZdTvYGm by the_roamer@mastodonapp.uk
2023-01-10T03:24:58Z
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@clacke @mekkaokereke @webuiltthiscity @scott @seldo "Standard" in all my correcting comments refers to Mastodon, not to ActivityPub. Standard Mastodon as opposed to possible extensions of Mastodon (which I also mention). Both of these presumably would be within the AP requirements, but my comments clearly were about Mastodon, not other implementations of AP. I don't say which AP implementation should be regarded as standard.
(DIR) Post #ARUOX1XylzWEsRXMwq by clacke@libranet.de
2023-01-10T04:33:54Z
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@the_roamer But GNU Social, Friendica, Pleroma and Misskey aren't Mastodon extensions or variants, the first two are older than Mastodon.We're probably going to disagree on whether it makes sense to say "standard Mastodon protocols", but I hope at least this much is clear.@mekkaokereke @webuiltthiscity @scott @seldo
(DIR) Post #ARUOX1x9GPeU8VJTBA by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2023-01-10T04:44:53.637170Z
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@clacke @seldo @scott @mekkaokereke @the_roamer @webuiltthiscity Yeah, if anything the standard profile of ActivityPub ought to be called "fediverse".Several activity and actor types where made useful by software like WriteFreely, Peertube, Funkwhale, Mobilizon, Lemmy, …Also Pleroma's use of ActivityPub (as an internal format at first) pre-dates Mastodon use of ActivityPub…
(DIR) Post #ARUOjdfSro9oa73OBU by clacke@libranet.de
2023-01-10T00:33:53Z
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In https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/#client-addressing it's again a Like and it's even suggested that the Like could be addressed to the addressees of the original object, including the original poster's followers, to ensure that anyone who got the original object also gets the Like.Mastodon's behavior of special-casing the Like activity clearly isn't standard. There may be good arguments for the behavior, but it's not standard.