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(DIR) Post #ANXGfU7YgtKkPksYam by thegibson@hackers.town
2022-09-13T16:20:02Z
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Watching Patreon get their asses handed to them is entertaining, as it appears they are run by some real assholes... however, I have concerns for people who makes their living on this platform in a legitimate fashion.Anybody got alternatives?
(DIR) Post #ANXGfUdSmGr20ho2K0 by ada@selfy.army
2022-09-13T17:28:24Z
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@TheGibson did something happen after the layoffs? I haven't heard anything yet.Sorry if I'm no up to speed
(DIR) Post #ANXGfVmiVLqnZh8wNs by sowth@linuxrocks.online
2022-09-13T22:33:19Z
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@adaI think he is talking about this:https://www.pcmag.com/news/patreon-denies-hosting-child-sexual-abuse-material-amid-security-team-cuts
(DIR) Post #ANXRx7hVsywraWJGN6 by ada@selfy.army
2022-09-14T00:39:45Z
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@sowth ho-lee mackerel.good riddance patreon
(DIR) Post #ANXvcudbk1RJuIlIFk by g@hackers.town
2022-09-13T16:22:09Z
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@thegibson Librepay (https://liberapay.com/) is probably the closest alternative as far as features go, but Open Collective is (IMHO) better if you need funding for a specific project https://opencollective.com/
(DIR) Post #ANYPP482efVVugJJMO by nosat@liberdon.com
2022-09-14T11:45:55Z
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@thegibson The simplest solution is #MoneroYou publish your receiving address and accept private payments.No one can see your transactions or balance.Then you can exchange the Monero for fiat using p2p methods or buy gift cards and spend at stores.The exchanging party cannot see anything about where the Monero came from. It is literally digital cash.https://moneromeans.money/
(DIR) Post #ANdgaCQ8dZpVFpEOMi by 9gcarz2naIwb0S3nkm.JoYo@thejoyo.com
2022-09-13T16:21:41.418813Z
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@thegibson librepay?https://en.liberapay.com/
(DIR) Post #ANdgaD1iNrt58MoOw4 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-13T18:25:32Z
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@JoYo @TheGibson #Patreon, #Liberapay, #KoFi, #OpenCollective are all shitty¹ options that expose sensitive info to #Cloudflare. 1. https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/141 /cc @socketwench @Tay0
(DIR) Post #ANdgaDnDXFsvVh2Kye by utopify_org@social.linux.pizza
2022-09-13T20:49:54Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 Can you mention alternatives? It is hard to find people who support you, if you take away the possibility to pay with e.g. PayPal, you will not find anyone to support you anymore.btw. what's the problem with credit cards, because Visa and American Express is mentioned there as the most unethical, but there is no reason why?
(DIR) Post #ANdgaEJTbJgn7k86G8 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-13T20:59:07Z
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@utopify_org @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo You have to click the arrow next to Amex and Visa to expand the rationale, just below the table. There are some alternatives in that thread & here: https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-research/other-crowdfunding
(DIR) Post #ANdgaEq5e3mEktO95s by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-14T09:43:55Z
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@JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @utopify_org This comprehensive list is also useful but beware it’s not curated/filtered, contains a mix of lousy options with lesser evils: https://codeberg.org/teaserbot-labs/delightful-funding/issues/1
(DIR) Post #ANdgaH19XtoZVma0cC by utopify_org@social.linux.pizza
2022-09-14T16:18:12Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 I somehow don't understand the list and if I click on a link, I don't understand what it's about. Many don't look like payment systems at all.
(DIR) Post #ANdgaHUDnp4CxwBDvM by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-14T16:28:09Z
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@utopify_org @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo The teaserbot-labs list is maintainted by @humanetech & I think the snowdrift list is maintainted by @strypey. Perhaps they can clarify. The lists are categorized based on use-case. If you locate one of the harmful options like #Liberapay on those lists, the alternatives will be listed next to it in the same subcategory.
(DIR) Post #ANdgaI4NdNzSm566Hg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-17T00:51:40Z
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@koherecoWatchdog> I think the snowdrift list is maintainted by strypey.Not me. Try @snowdrift or @wolftune .@utopify_org @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @humanetech
(DIR) Post #ANdgaIIYmfKhU3jQO0 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-14T16:34:17Z
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@strypey @humanetech @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @utopify_org If you install the BCMA browser plugin¹, it will help you steer clear of the Cloudflare options as you navigate that list. The BCMA plugin will redirect you to archive.org if you try to visit a Cloudflare page. 1. https://framagit.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/subfiles/addon/bcma.md
(DIR) Post #ANfq6DeOt4gMEuAIFc by snowdrift@social.coop
2022-09-17T19:14:42Z
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@utopify_org @koherecoWatchdog @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey The list at https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-research/other-crowdfundingis not a list of payment-systems (and Patreon is not a payment system either).All these platforms use some other service or tool for doing the payment processing. The platforms organize or structure, connect in various ways the donors and recipients.Payment-systems are like Paypal, Stripe, or Bitcoin
(DIR) Post #ANfq6ERfvs66hjDe3U by snowdrift@social.coop
2022-09-17T19:20:04Z
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@utopify_org @koherecoWatchdog @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey An ethical payment-processor is a huge challenge, bigger than one of these front-end platforms. It involves a lot of legal liabilities and other hassles.We do also have a page on that, but it's quite outdated and less robust. https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-research/payment-servicesGNU Taler looks intriguing.Criticizing compromises is fine, but recognize them as such. Liberapay and Open Collective aren't themselves malicious, just compromised.
(DIR) Post #ANfq6GKIwFOEXRmmqO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-18T01:47:45Z
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@snowdrift> Criticizing compromises is fine, but recognize them as such. Liberapay and Open Collective aren't themselves malicious, just compromised.This!@utopify_org @koherecoWatchdog @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 #compromise
(DIR) Post #ANfqxOuhk5kAWE9Mu0 by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-09-18T01:57:39.092893Z
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I'm sure there's people who aren't ok with subscribestar and locals because politics, but there are subscribestar and locals.Seems to me that diversifying is important no matter what. Even if one platform is more lucrative than the others, relying solely on any one is a great way to get the rug pulled out from under you.
(DIR) Post #ANgJaj8fHEZvFxDjCy by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-18T07:18:01Z
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@strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift If you distinguish direct malice from association w/malicious actors, it’s important to realize that facilitating a malicious actor is in itself malicious. When #Liberapay quietly gives #Cloudflare a MitM view on the sensitive traffic of trusting LP patrons w/out telling them, along w/deceptive branding & claims about transparency, it’s most certainly malicious.
(DIR) Post #ANhmCT6kJsoCPr4GNU by snowdrift@social.coop
2022-09-18T14:47:49Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @thegibson @JoYo @utopify_org The standard that we call for at Snowdrift.coop and urge everyone in the world to follow:Always be *explicit* and apologize for any compromises. We accept that compromise is part of life. That doesn't make compromise perfectly fine. Compromises should be marked and apologies (explanations) made plainly.
(DIR) Post #ANhmCTbEUXC9wPKbtg by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-18T14:58:20Z
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@snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey Shouldn’t Snowdrift hilight extreme & notable compromises, like sharing all traffic including usernames & passwords w/a tech giant? All Cloudflare users conceal what they are doing. When you have a service that catalogs them on a public list, it’s important to redflag them -- not just for sharing sensitive info w/CF, but also for concealing it. They need a badge of opacity too.
(DIR) Post #ANhmCU2spjJTKAGgzo by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-18T15:02:11Z
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@strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift As it stands now, Snowdrift is leading users to Cloudflare sites w/out informing them. And the site they land on does not inform them either.
(DIR) Post #ANhmCUcKhvfZ66r0Fc by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-09-18T23:14:37Z
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@koherecoWatchdogPlease don't include me in any updates on this thread.@strypey @socketwench @thegibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift
(DIR) Post #ANhmCV52zAdcXAHw0W by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-19T00:13:29Z
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@Tay0Noted. If your fediverse app has a 'mute conversation' function, this is a good time to use it, in case someone forgets to untag you.
(DIR) Post #ANhyqFOfukr2vTBjrU by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-09-19T02:34:59Z
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@strypeyThanks.
(DIR) Post #ANiPAZkYYA0GeJmEbY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-19T07:30:09Z
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@koherecoWatchdogThe problem I see in your approach is that you don't seem to distinguish between opponents (eg CloudFlare), and allies whose practice doesn't address your pet issue (eg @Liberapay and @snowdrift ). (1/2)
(DIR) Post #ANiPPVKhFrWzIGnerI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-19T07:30:51Z
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@koherecoWatchdogThe problem I see in your approach is that you don't seem to distinguish between opponents (eg CloudFlare), and allies whose practice doesn't address your pet issue (eg @Liberapay and @snowdrift ).(1/2)
(DIR) Post #ANiPPZYfXr5IOlMsC0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-19T07:31:31Z
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@koherecoWatchdog Why does this matter Opponents who don't care what you think and will fight you if you start to have an impact. Boycotts here are appropriate. Allies do care, and are (usually) open to modifying their practice if you can show that the benefit of doing so outweighs the cost. Boycotts here are divisive and counterproductive.(2/2)@Liberapay @snowdrift
(DIR) Post #ANirRMZjaDwRQdVZpY by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-19T12:46:51Z
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@strypey @snowdrift @Liberapay One man’s adversary is another man’s ally. Cloudflare (& those who empower CF) are adversaries to #netneutrality & #privacy proponents. Part of flipping CF’s enablers is informing the public — the public who we trust to decide for themselves whether a boycott effectively counters the counterproductivity of CF patronage. There really is no good excuse for not informing ppl.
(DIR) Post #ANjnmaMFKXH1b41W0e by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-19T23:40:17Z
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@koherecoWatchdog> One man’s adversary is another man’s allyYou've missed the point. Read the post again.@snowdrift @Liberapay
(DIR) Post #ANjo4d9repG9UhpvZA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-19T23:41:24Z
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@koherecoWatchdog> One man’s adversary is another man’s allyYou're missing the point. Read the two posts again.@snowdrift @Liberapay
(DIR) Post #ANkMJkmB0svluF8i1Y by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T06:07:33Z
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@strypey @Liberapay @snowdrift You need to read my response again. Your post conflates adversaries & allies. In response, I define them more clearly. Understand that the act of defining an entity as “ally” or “adversary” risks falling into a false dichotomy whereby you might be compelled to treat an adversary who has some favorable qualities in a way that’s contrary to an ethical mission.
(DIR) Post #ANnssq1pFyygL572Ke by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T06:13:04Z
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@snowdrift @Liberapay @strypey The consequence of falling into the ally/adversary labeling trap is that it’s overly blunt & lacks precision where a scalpel is needed. We need to be able to say “It’s nice that your s/w is FOSS, but pretty fucked up that you surreptitiously share the sensitive data of users of your service w/a privacy and netneutrality abusing tech giant.”
(DIR) Post #ANnssqWJQdMdrdNNqq by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T06:22:41Z
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@strypey @Liberapay @snowdrift Adversaries occasionally do good things. It works against you to take your eye off the ball amid such distractions. The FOSS movement has made great progress. So much so that FOSS is no longer a scarce resource that calls for giving some kind of ethical immunity to FOSS devs who work against digital liberties beyond s/w licensing. We’re past that.
(DIR) Post #ANnssr2ZUhAVTgT98K by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T06:29:25Z
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@snowdrift @Liberapay @strypey The current trend is for harmful entities/projects to write some FOSS (which is often trivial or unused) to facilitate marketing to consumers who give a blank check if the FOSS box is ticked. #DDG pulls this shit off well. DDG released some silly FOSS app for their MS-syndicated search svc & used it to steal a room at #FOSDEM which they used to give a marketing pitch for a web svc.
(DIR) Post #ANnssrVdkcQ8vq4MRU by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T06:40:09Z
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@strypey @Liberapay @snowdrift In the case of Liberapay and Gitlab, the FOSS is fine. The problem is w/the flagship /services/. It’s important to separate the s/w from the service. The s/w is useful¹ but the service is predatory. There’s nothing wrong w/using the s/w so long as the service is properly condemned. 1. Caveat: unlike gitlab, the Liberapay s/w is mostly unused. All LP accts are on the flagship.
(DIR) Post #ANnsss0Ttx5gTUUzVw by snowdrift@social.coop
2022-09-20T15:24:58Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @strypey @Liberapay We get farther (and communicate better) when we make concerns and problems *explicit* and when we promote ideals. Labels like "good" "bad" "ally" "adversary" are too blunt and simplistic.We have no basis to think LP or OC have any bad intentions, and that does mean something for how to treat and talk about them. Do they *understand* their compromises and recognize them as such? That's less clear. They *have* failed to be transparent about them.
(DIR) Post #ANnssu4SE9SOsONBz6 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T18:46:49Z
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@snowdrift @Liberapay @strypey Bad intentions would cover the deontological aspect. You can be the judge of whether they have bad intentions when they were informed of the Cloudflare problem over 2 yrs ago: https://mastodon.xyz/@Liberapay/104416970584190595. They were shown copious evidence & chose not to accept it. They “don’t believe” CF sees all CF traffic b/c joepie91’s publication was 4 yrs old then.
(DIR) Post #ANnssuYwOnqMOwdXVI by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T18:51:38Z
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@strypey @Liberapay @snowdrift So you have to ask, does LP really believe CF invented some kind of magical new approach in that 4 year span that enables them to proxy a website w/out seeing the contents? No chance. If you read the whole thread, they go as far as rationalizing CF on the basis that CF deserves to exist. It’s a very unusual case of total CF loyalty when disregarding evidence (claiming it’s old)
(DIR) Post #ANnssv1eg2oPq04TGC by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T18:57:44Z
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@snowdrift @Liberapay @strypey LP also says they do not believe there is a #netneutrality issue, as if access inequality is irrelevent. I do not believe LP is really so naïve as to not only be oblivious on how CF functions but to believe the evidence is bogus. Intellectual dishonesty is more likely, & thus malicious intent from the deontological perspective.
(DIR) Post #ANnssv6cNamY5OOQzo by snowdrift@social.coop
2022-09-20T15:32:34Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @strypey @Liberapay So, in the case of Snowdrift.coop, we *recognize* that GitLab.com and Stripe *are* compromises. We *acknowledge* them publicly and are interested in better solutions if we can practically make them work.If LP and OC do not *realize* the compromises, then the task is helping them see it and acknowledge it. Have they been contacted? And presented with the "acknowledge compromise" suggestion, not just "stop it!" demand? If so, any response?
(DIR) Post #ANnssvWUpNTxNeV6Ke by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T19:05:36Z
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@strypey @Liberapay @snowdrift But how important is the deontological perspective anyway? Intent can be a basis for sympathy, but the utilitarian standpoint is more important w.r.t to activism & defending digital liberties. That is, regardless of intent amid LP’s clear sympathy for CF, the harm to the public is clear: LP is deceiving users into exposing sensitive info to a malicious tech giant.
(DIR) Post #ANnssw1Kyi9UvIvjP6 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-20T19:18:41Z
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@snowdrift @Liberapay @strypey That fedi thread is over two years old & LP still has not changed their tune. The only viable move here is to inform users. Someone could try to repeat the effort of 2 yrs ago convince LP that the evidence is solid, but it looks like a waste of time. Note as well the CF is just the first hurdle of many issues: https://codeberg.org/swiso/website/issues/141
(DIR) Post #ANnsswONb2aG4li8Js by wolftune@social.coop
2022-09-20T19:54:12Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @snowdrift @Liberapay @strypey It's clearly fuzzy here. LP is unconvinced of the importance of the issue or the threat. Perhaps there's some apathy too. That's not the same as malice. Depending on the case, it can be as dangerous.I agree that LP being uninterested in or dismissive of the issue is a concern, and I support the idea of telling people about the complaint. Stating the problem and that LP won't fix it can be done without accusing them of malice still.
(DIR) Post #ANnsswyBRvDvroSj7w by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-21T06:42:43Z
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@wolftune @strypey @Liberapay @snowdrift Sharing people’s sensitive information with a tech giant without their informed consent is certainly malicious. Particularly whilst marketing to users on the basis of transparency & freedom, which solicits users most likely to object had they been informed.
(DIR) Post #ANnssxRxfD2jMAOVXc by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-21T22:56:36Z
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@koherecoWatchdog> Sharing people’s sensitive information with a tech giant without their informed consent is certainly malicious.Not necessarily, and this is the whole point. It can be naivety, or incompetence, or disagreement over priorities, or a whole range of things other than malice. If they don't *believe* they are sharing people’s sensitive information with a tech giant, as you say, then it's absurd to accuse them of doing so maliciously.@wolftune @Liberapay @snowdrift
(DIR) Post #ANntSvygcAFNDQr89Q by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-09-21T23:01:53Z
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@koherecoWatchdogChanges comes most often from building relationships of mutual respect. Accusing other groups of malice when it's plausible they're just unconvinced of the problem (or it's significance), sets fire to the very bridges you need to build to achieve the change you want. How would you feel if I accused you of working to knobble ethical tech projects on behalf of Big Tech, just because I disagree with your methods?@wolftune @Liberapay @snowdrift
(DIR) Post #ARTVkXSBxeka7TGHom by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-18T07:24:47Z
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@snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey It happens often enough that we need a name for this dark-pattern-esque marketing where some orgs figured out that a segment of digital rights advocates are suseptible to buzz phrases like “open source”, “free software”, “libre”…, & they exploit that to successfully bait the suseptible segment into loyal patronage for a svc that’s actually contrary to their values.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkYNcW8ggza89Ka by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-18T07:30:24Z
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@strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift #Liberapay’s claim to be non-profit is inconsistent w/them concealing the role & risks of #Cloudflare. Some so-called non-profits work very aggressively toward racking in the dough to the extent that they behave like a profit-driven corporation. The #Signal msging platform is one such example. Consumers think “non-profit, thus good cause”. That’s being exploited.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkZ0GCTb0vQD0Yi by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-18T07:36:21Z
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@snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey A well-behaved non-profit org does not mislead its patrons/supporters, who expect a higher degree of honesty than they expect from profit-driven corps. The expectation of honesty can only be properly satisfied if orgs like #Liberapay & #Libretranslate make it loud & clear that a tech giant sees all traffic in the clear despite the padlock. They are negligent in their duty to inform.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkZVSKUY8UAnvBQ by packetsnorter@ioc.exchange
2023-01-07T05:48:56Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey So, is it that #TLS #decryption is OK if you're not a tech giant, or you're just not OK with tech giants?@batalanto - I hear a lot of yapping from you about #Cloudflare being evil in your eyes, but what if you're an org with a BIG FUCKING #DDoS problem. Cloudflare is one of the best at absorbing that kind of attack - so what's the alternative? Another large organization that can rebuff a few trillion PPS attack? But wouldn't that make them big tech?Is your goal to ensure that nobody is able to withstand a massive #attack so everyone is small and can't afford to service the masses?You promote another "company" possessing other peoples #git repos - but you're not promoting people host their own. Are you being paid by #Codeberg?So hard to tell who is being paid to promote whom, and denigrate the others? If that's the case, now you're the enemy - see how easy it is talk shit about others? 😂
(DIR) Post #ARTVkaFtXphEoCX0ZE by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2023-01-07T18:35:49Z
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@packetsnorter @batalanto @strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift When most ppl see the padlock in their browser they think they have a secure line to /what they believe/ is the endpoint entity. So if they are shopping at Amazon.com there is of course no issue w/tech giant access b/c it’s that tech giant who users intend to interact with. But when the target site is bobswidgets·com showing a padlock & a someone else decrypts, it’s deceptive.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkbVAuVVsfsgj1U by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2022-09-18T07:45:29Z
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@strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift If a non-profit cannot afford to be honest and forthcoming & they hide the fact that they are compromised, then it’s important that they fail. Failure is a good outcome in such cases so the more honest operations can gain some ground.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkyIu8IMdOU7kae by packetsnorter@ioc.exchange
2023-01-07T20:13:45Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @batalanto @strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @thegibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift "So if they are shopping at Amazon.com there is of course no issue w/tech giant access b/c it’s that tech giant who users intend to interact with. "Except when they sell all your personal data, so.....
(DIR) Post #ARTVkyZv71yWFG5L72 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2023-01-07T18:38:12Z
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@snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey @batalanto @packetsnorter Apart from that, the rest of your post gets uncivil enough to not merit a response.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkys01oR99KXmIC by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2023-01-09T13:32:23Z
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@packetsnorter @snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey @batalanto If you are shopping at amazon.com, you’ve accepted the abuse of personal data. The former CEO admitted something like “Amazon profits from personal data and happens to be a store” (paraphrasing). The store itself is secondary to their advertising surveillance business. There is no TLS problem here, because the user knows their data is seen by Amazon & they have agreed to it.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkzR5vKVeuAxnzk by packetsnorter@ioc.exchange
2023-01-09T18:09:24Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey @batalanto ...and they've agreed to all #Amazon's (or whoever's) partners, whether they know it or not. That, of course, is outside of the TLS decryption argument specifically, but unless a user pours over, and can understand a company's documentation, just because they think they're only interacting with just Amazon does not mean they're only giving their data to them.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkzoUWLE04juUSm by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2023-01-09T13:34:04Z
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@batalanto @strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift @packetsnorter I personally #boycott #Amazon. Thus, I pay more for stuff. And if something is exclusively sold on Amazon, I go without.
(DIR) Post #ARTVkzt6FCuYJ24Ae8 by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2023-01-09T18:26:02Z
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@packetsnorter @batalanto @strypey @Tay0 @socketwench @TheGibson @JoYo @utopify_org @snowdrift Anytime you have one party agreeing to something different than the other party believes the agreement states, it fails the “meeting of the minds” criteria that courts use. In such instances the benefit of the ambiguity rightfully goes to the party who did not draft the agreement (US law). It’s a decent rule when you have ppl putting their sig on paper docs.
(DIR) Post #ARTVl10a4sUPmWZewi by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2023-01-09T18:30:02Z
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@snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @TheGibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey @batalanto @packetsnorter With a CF website, the user has no idea that CF is in the loop. They are deceived. The padlock leads users to believe they have a secure connection to the entity they see in the address bar. This injustice happens /before/ any kind of agreement has been made in the 1st place. It happens before a “privacy policy” link even renders. And if you read the PP CF is still concealed.
(DIR) Post #ARU1fV4SadaDoZnpIm by packetsnorter@ioc.exchange
2023-01-09T22:56:32Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey @batalanto let's be honest - most users don't know what the lock mean or is supposed to mean or doesn't mean or that it is even there at all.Most users don't even know what all the bells and whistles of their cars mean. If they don't bother to take the time to learn the ins and outs of the tech they use, they get what they deserve! When a couple dies because they are fucking in the back seat while their #tesla #autopilots the dipshits off a cliff, that's one less car clogging up the roads; I feel zero sympathy for them. That's what they get for assuming that someone or some tech gives two shits about a the morons of the world. A solid life lesson, IMO.
(DIR) Post #ARU1fVcUY6nzW7j0LY by nafnlaus@fosstodon.org
2023-01-09T23:58:42Z
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@packetsnorter @koherecoWatchdog @snowdrift @utopify_org @JoYo @thegibson @socketwench @Tay0 @strypey @batalanto The Tesla in California did not "autopilot of a cliff". It was an attempted murder-suicide by the driver. Except it failed, because the car remained intact despite the huge plunge off the cliff, and indeed, the people in the back had only minor injuries.
(DIR) Post #ARVgEJaBUB29e0kzoW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-01-10T19:38:27Z
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@JoYo> please untagme meWilldo. Please note most fediverse apps have a Mute Conversation button that allows you to untag yourself. @Tay0 @nafnlaus @koherecoWatchdog @socketwench @TheGibson @packetsnorter @snowdrift @utopify_org @batalanto
(DIR) Post #ARVgxwg0yvdjvKF6AK by joyo@thejoyo.com
2023-01-10T19:46:59.138317Z
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@strypey mute doesn't apply to new users on a necro thread.please untag me.
(DIR) Post #ARVhNcTehlgyo0hhvU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-01-10T19:51:34Z
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@JoYoAre you sure? I thought Mute Conversation worked on all replies to the post at the root of the thread or any of its replies.